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Auto Bot wrote:Ultra Magnus is a soldier. And a care-taker leader. Like a proxy president, if you will.

But a panicky, short-of-wisdom kind of leader.

Trying to bring us back on topic I see

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Ultra Magnus is a soldier. And a care-taker leader. Like a proxy president, if you will.

But a panicky, short-of-wisdom kind of leader.

Trying to bring us back on topic I see

Whew! So you noticed.

So Ultra Magnus is the John Prescott of Transformers. What a frightening thought.

Auto Bot wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Ultra Magnus is a soldier. And a care-taker leader. Like a proxy president, if you will.

But a panicky, short-of-wisdom kind of leader.

Trying to bring us back on topic I see

Whew! So you noticed.

I would have to be Tramp not to

Tekka wrote:So Ultra Magnus is the John Prescott of Transformers. What a frightening thought.

Who's John Prescott ????

Deputy leader of the Labour government. He lacks wisdom... and a few other things.

But he doesn't want for cars...

How can you be a brother to yourself?

Yeah. Ultra Magnus seem to be making a number of unwise decisions.

Did Rodimus Prime inherit this trait?

Saber Prime wrote:How can you be a brother to yourself?

Think about it............Unless you yourself are the focal point for the spliting of the universe into 2 or more then your counterparts would be different then you even if they were all born on the same day.All the little differences in the coices you make each day form your character and if that differe's from universe to universe you become a different person.Even so much as the little choice that you presented to me so many pages ago about one universe version of me having orange juice in the morning and the other having milk.Take this exsample:
Lets say that the day my daughter was consived that I made a desision that splintered into 2 different universes.Like you suggested one universe version of me had orange juice and the other had milk.If the milk was a little spoild it could have an upset my stomuck and prosponed sex with my wide for a few minutes to a few hours......the sperm that could be the one to fertalise my wife could be a different one all together then the one that did the job in the orange juice drinking universe.But both daughters would have been consived on the same date.

So unless you yourself are where the point of spliting in the two universe its imposible for things to have happened the same way.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:How can you be a brother to yourself?

Think about it............Unless you yourself are the focal point for the spliting of the universe into 2 or more then your counterparts would be different then you even if they were all born on the same day.All the little differences in the coices you make each day form your character and if that differe's from universe to universe you become a different person.Even so much as the little choice that you presented to me so many pages ago about one universe version of me having orange juice in the morning and the other having milk.Take this exsample:
Lets say that the day my daughter was consived that I made a desision that splintered into 2 different universes.Like you suggested one universe version of me had orange juice and the other had milk.If the milk was a little spoild it could have an upset my stomuck and prosponed sex with my wide for a few minutes to a few hours......the sperm that could be the one to fertalise my wife could be a different one all together then the one that did the job in the orange juice drinking universe.But both daughters would have been consived on the same date.

So unless you yourself are where the point of spliting in the two universe its imposible for things to have happened the same way.

If that were the case you might not even have a daughter but you might end up with a son insted. That's what I ment by the birst times being the same and everything. One thing changes and you end up with a totally different child that the other.

However if you are indeed born under the exact same circumstances in both universes and look exactly alike, you are indeed the same person.

Let's say this other version of yourself is a polor oppisite of yourself in the personality department. You're happy and content with your life but he is horribly depressed and wants to commit seuiside (spelling?, kill himself).

Now lets say in the same dimention you wanna kill youself in they have the technoligy to travel between universes. When everyone in their own universe fails to reach you there they then decide to bring someone from another universe, someone who can reach you, and who can reach you better than yourself from the other universe where you're happy.

It could go wrong though and rather than stoping you from killing yourself you cause you to kill yourself.

This is that perspective thing you were talking about, you can change your perception of another universe self WAY more easily than anyone else because no one understands how you think better than you do.

Sertain traits about you no matter what choises you make will allways stay the same. Like how a person more easily learns. For me I don't learn much from sitting at a desk reading text books and doing paper work. Non of that stuff has ever stuck in my head. Actully doing something I learn verry fast. Working crew backstage at a live theater and haveing to memorize all my ques in one week this comes in verry handy.

As an actor I have a hard time memorizing lines however blocking (where I stand on stage, what I do there) comes exstreamly easy for me. Once I do it I never forget.

Likewise if you tell me some compex set of intrustuctions to do something or find something, I won't have a clue what the heck I'm supose to do. If you actully show me then it's like "Oh yeah I can do that, sure." It works in reverse too. I hate when people ask me for directions to places because even though I know where the place is I have no idea how to exsplain how to get there but if I get in the car and just tell them "turn right here" "turn left here" "keep going straight about another 5 blocks." "We're here"

I can't remember anything unless I'm actully doing it. If you ask me what I do back stage for "Forever Plaid" I can't tell you, not without reading my notes. When I'm actully back stage working, I don't read notes, I know exactly what to do and when to do it. It's weird but that's just the way my brain works.

No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Even this whole discussion I've done a fairly poor job of "exsplaining" but it's better than trying to exsplain what I do for a living. I have no idea what I do till I'm doing it.

Saber Prime wrote:If that were the case you might not even have a daughter but you might end up with a son insted. That's what I ment by the birst times being the same and everything. One thing changes and you end up with a totally different child that the other.

Witch would have made me a different character then I am now....being the father of 3 girls has molded who I am today.If I had had sons I know I would have been a different character.As crazy as this is about to sound I have a younger brother......we were very much alike personalty wise....so much that we had the same friends and they all said that it would have been imposible to teel us apart if we didnt look different.We hated each other to death.We both moved out of home at about 13 years of age and had kids very young.I had 2 daughters first and he soon had 2 sons.When my daughters were born my personalty softhen up some....I wasnt so aragent [spelling?] or cold hearted.He remained the same way we both were before.....till he had a daughter.He softhened up much like I did and now we get along great.Now I know its not the same thing were talking about but I know if I had had only sons I would be a different kind of guy then I am now....so if my counter part had only sons he would be a different character then I.

Saber Prime wrote:However if you are indeed born under the exact same circumstances in both universes and look exactly alike, you are indeed the same person.

Maybe this is where we keep butting heads.....you seem to think I'm saying that we wouldnt be the same person.The person would be the same but not his [or the] character.The way I see it "the person" is much like any object in the world......a vesel containing something.The "personality" [or soul] is the character because what is a person with out a personality?????Character is how you react to an event, character is who you become because of life's events, character is your personalty.Person is DNA, person is nothing but a blank slate to be forged by life, person is what is left after you die.Maybe we both havent been explaining ourselfs very well.

Saber Prime wrote:Let's say this other version of yourself is a polor oppisite of yourself in the personality department. You're happy and content with your life but he is horribly depressed and wants to commit seuiside (spelling?, kill himself).

Now lets say in the same dimention you wanna kill youself in they have the technoligy to travel between universes. When everyone in their own universe fails to reach you there they then decide to bring someone from another universe, someone who can reach you, and who can reach you better than yourself from the other universe where you're happy.

It could go wrong though and rather than stoping you from killing yourself you cause you to kill yourself.

This is that perspective thing you were talking about, you can change your perception of another universe self WAY more easily than anyone else because no one understands how you think better than you do.

I could think of 2 people that could save myself better then I ever could.But I would also have to be able to travel to the past to get them.

Saber Prime wrote:Sertain traits about you no matter what choises you make will allways stay the same.

I wouldnt completly agree here.I think that if cerent thing in your world were different that one could adapt new and different traits to survive in that world.

Saber Prime wrote:No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Again I differ in thought......exsample if you lived under the treat of being killed at a second's notice's every day of your life you may have developed better learning skills then your alternate not having to live under such stress.You may have also gone completly insane so who's to know.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Again I differ in thought......exsample if you lived under the treat of being killed at a second's notice's every day of your life you may have developed better learning skills then your alternate not having to live under such stress.You may have also gone completly insane so who's to know.

What does the threat of being killed every day have to do with learning? I guess if it was something like "memorize the entire history of the US in 2 weeks or I'll kill you" in which case I'd be dead.

Anyway I actully DO live with the threat of somebody killing me every day. I've lived that way my entire life and still live that way. Why? Because my mom was married twice. The man she's married to now who is my father, and before that she was a widow. Her first husban died in a car accident. My mother and her first husban was in one car, had no seat belts in the car, got hit by a speeding drunk. The drunk survived the crash, my mother was severly injured to the point her doctors never thought she'd walk, talk, or have kids. (she proved them wrong on all three counts allthough she talks barely more than a whisper) and her husban was killed instantly. His mother for some strainge reason has allways blamed my mother for the accident and threatened to kill me and my brother before either of us were ever born.

Oddly enough though for a woman who swore vengence for her son's death she's never even been to his grave. Not that I can tell anyway. And even stupider, my mother bought a house right next to his grave knowing fully well that if she did visit the sight and found out we were living there we would be killed. Yet one of many reasons I hate that woman.

My mother definatly didn't cause the accident that killed her first husban but that doesn't mean she hasn't tried to get me or my brother killed.

So yeah, I'm preddy much convinced that some woman wants to kill me to avenge her own son and my own mother wants me dead. There was eve a time I wanted me dead.

However now I have two nephews who I love and want to stay alive long enough to see them finish high school. I would have killed myself allready about a year ago if I had not know about the first pregnancy.

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Again I differ in thought......exsample if you lived under the treat of being killed at a second's notice's every day of your life you may have developed better learning skills then your alternate not having to live under such stress.You may have also gone completly insane so who's to know.

What does the threat of being killed every day have to do with learning? I guess if it was something like "memorize the entire history of the US in 2 weeks or I'll kill you" in which case I'd be dead.

Anyway I actully DO live with the threat of somebody killing me every day. I've lived that way my entire life and still live that way. Why? Because my mom was married twice. The man she's married to now who is my father, and before that she was a widow. Her first husban died in a car accident. My mother and her first husban was in one car, had no seat belts in the car, got hit by a speeding drunk. The drunk survived the crash, my mother was severly injured to the point her doctors never thought she'd walk, talk, or have kids. (she proved them wrong on all three counts allthough she talks barely more than a whisper) and her husban was killed instantly. His mother for some strainge reason has allways blamed my mother for the accident and threatened to kill me and my brother before either of us were ever born.

Oddly enough though for a woman who swore vengence for her son's death she's never even been to his grave. Not that I can tell anyway. And even stupider, my mother bought a house right next to his grave knowing fully well that if she did visit the sight and found out we were living there we would be killed. Yet one of many reasons I hate that woman.

My mother definatly didn't cause the accident that killed her first husban but that doesn't mean she hasn't tried to get me or my brother killed.

So yeah, I'm preddy much convinced that some woman wants to kill me to avenge her own son and my own mother wants me dead. There was eve a time I wanted me dead.

However now I have two nephews who I love and want to stay alive long enough to see them finish high school. I would have killed myself allready about a year ago if I had not know about the first pregnancy.

Well I was thinking about the kind of constint peral that one my experance living in a nevering ending war zone as seen in the Termanator movie's future scene's.World ending for everyone kind of stuff........but I am sorry for what you've gone trew.....not that my being sorry will change anything but its how I feel.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Again I differ in thought......exsample if you lived under the treat of being killed at a second's notice's every day of your life you may have developed better learning skills then your alternate not having to live under such stress.You may have also gone completly insane so who's to know.

What does the threat of being killed every day have to do with learning? I guess if it was something like "memorize the entire history of the US in 2 weeks or I'll kill you" in which case I'd be dead.

Anyway I actully DO live with the threat of somebody killing me every day. I've lived that way my entire life and still live that way. Why? Because my mom was married twice. The man she's married to now who is my father, and before that she was a widow. Her first husban died in a car accident. My mother and her first husban was in one car, had no seat belts in the car, got hit by a speeding drunk. The drunk survived the crash, my mother was severly injured to the point her doctors never thought she'd walk, talk, or have kids. (she proved them wrong on all three counts allthough she talks barely more than a whisper) and her husban was killed instantly. His mother for some strainge reason has allways blamed my mother for the accident and threatened to kill me and my brother before either of us were ever born.

Oddly enough though for a woman who swore vengence for her son's death she's never even been to his grave. Not that I can tell anyway. And even stupider, my mother bought a house right next to his grave knowing fully well that if she did visit the sight and found out we were living there we would be killed. Yet one of many reasons I hate that woman.

My mother definatly didn't cause the accident that killed her first husban but that doesn't mean she hasn't tried to get me or my brother killed.

So yeah, I'm preddy much convinced that some woman wants to kill me to avenge her own son and my own mother wants me dead. There was eve a time I wanted me dead.

However now I have two nephews who I love and want to stay alive long enough to see them finish high school. I would have killed myself allready about a year ago if I had not know about the first pregnancy.

Well I was thinking about the kind of constint peral that one my experance living in a nevering ending war zone as seen in the Termanator movie's future scene's.World ending for everyone kind of stuff........but I am sorry for what you've gone trew.....not that my being sorry will change anything but its how I feel.

There's no need to be sorry. Despite what I've been threw I've allways managed to find people like my brother who stand by me no matter what. I have 2 brothers. My ligitiment blood relitive brother who shares the same perrents as me, he's ADHD. The brother I'm speaking of who I "found" is actully not my brother at all. Techinically speaking my "nephew's" aren't even related to me. Still though I've know him sence 3rd grade, he's been my best friend for years. We don't allways see eye to eye but he's allways been there for me. Heck we've maybe had a big fight once the entire time we've known eachother and it lasted like 5 min. I don't even remember what it was about now.

Anyway I've allways been like that, my "family" consists mostly of people who aren't related to me. And my real family is fairly big as it is but I'm not really verry close to most of them.

There's a saying "Blood is thicker than water" I don't belive in that saying.

There's another that goes "family are the people who love you no matter what." I've allways felt like I had that, if it wasn't for that I'd never have live to start Kindergarden.

Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:No matter what universe version of me you run into he's allways going to have that perception of "I can't exsplain, I have to show"

Again I differ in thought......exsample if you lived under the treat of being killed at a second's notice's every day of your life you may have developed better learning skills then your alternate not having to live under such stress.You may have also gone completly insane so who's to know.

What does the threat of being killed every day have to do with learning? I guess if it was something like "memorize the entire history of the US in 2 weeks or I'll kill you" in which case I'd be dead.

Anyway I actully DO live with the threat of somebody killing me every day. I've lived that way my entire life and still live that way. Why? Because my mom was married twice. The man she's married to now who is my father, and before that she was a widow. Her first husban died in a car accident. My mother and her first husban was in one car, had no seat belts in the car, got hit by a speeding drunk. The drunk survived the crash, my mother was severly injured to the point her doctors never thought she'd walk, talk, or have kids. (she proved them wrong on all three counts allthough she talks barely more than a whisper) and her husban was killed instantly. His mother for some strainge reason has allways blamed my mother for the accident and threatened to kill me and my brother before either of us were ever born.

Oddly enough though for a woman who swore vengence for her son's death she's never even been to his grave. Not that I can tell anyway. And even stupider, my mother bought a house right next to his grave knowing fully well that if she did visit the sight and found out we were living there we would be killed. Yet one of many reasons I hate that woman.

My mother definatly didn't cause the accident that killed her first husban but that doesn't mean she hasn't tried to get me or my brother killed.

So yeah, I'm preddy much convinced that some woman wants to kill me to avenge her own son and my own mother wants me dead. There was eve a time I wanted me dead.

However now I have two nephews who I love and want to stay alive long enough to see them finish high school. I would have killed myself allready about a year ago if I had not know about the first pregnancy.

Well I was thinking about the kind of constint peral that one my experance living in a nevering ending war zone as seen in the Termanator movie's future scene's.World ending for everyone kind of stuff........but I am sorry for what you've gone trew.....not that my being sorry will change anything but its how I feel.

There's no need to be sorry. Despite what I've been threw I've allways managed to find people like my brother who stand by me no matter what. I have 2 brothers. My ligitiment blood relitive brother who shares the same perrents as me, he's ADHD. The brother I'm speaking of who I "found" is actully not my brother at all. Techinically speaking my "nephew's" aren't even related to me. Still though I've know him sence 3rd grade, he's been my best friend for years. We don't allways see eye to eye but he's allways been there for me. Heck we've maybe had a big fight once the entire time we've known eachother and it lasted like 5 min. I don't even remember what it was about now.

Anyway I've allways been like that, my "family" consists mostly of people who aren't related to me. And my real family is fairly big as it is but I'm not really verry close to most of them.

There's a saying "Blood is thicker than water" I don't belive in that saying.

There's another that goes "family are the people who love you no matter what." I've allways felt like I had that, if it wasn't for that I'd never have live to start Kindergarden.

I'm the same way.......I have 3 brothers that know we're brothers 1 I havent seen insince 1980 when my father died....an other I wish I havent seen seen since 1980....and my baby brother that as I said get along....I have one other that thinks we're cusins [long story].My family is quite larg by normal standereds...my father had 13 brothers and 17 sisters all of witch had at least 3 kids each and are all great grandparents now.But I dont know any of them.Those I consider family are my long time friends so I know where your coming from.

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

Auto Bot's got a point, though, unless you think of his armour 'helmet' as being a battle mask for the whole head.

This is, of course, presuming he's talking about G1 Magnus and that one believes he is a white Prime underneath. Some people believe he transforms straight from car carrier to 'armoured' mode.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

Yup. Never say die.

Leonardo wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

Auto Bot's got a point, though, unless you think of his armour 'helmet' as being a battle mask for the whole head.

This is, of course, presuming he's talking about G1 Magnus and that one believes he is a white Prime underneath. Some people believe he transforms straight from car carrier to 'armoured' mode.

Yup. G1 Magnus. The weird thing is, assuming he's got an armour helmet for the armoured mode, his lips moves when he talks.

Auto Bot wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

Auto Bot's got a point, though, unless you think of his armour 'helmet' as being a battle mask for the whole head.

This is, of course, presuming he's talking about G1 Magnus and that one believes he is a white Prime underneath. Some people believe he transforms straight from car carrier to 'armoured' mode.

Yup. G1 Magnus. The weird thing is, assuming he's got an armour helmet for the armoured mode, his lips moves when he talks.

So he is a reverse of Cybertron Prime, battle mask in normal mode and face in "super" mode

I personally never thought about him having another robot mode inside the "big mode", maybe that's because I've never had the toy.

The Chopnel wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:

Leonardo wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Auto Bot wrote:Magnus has a battle mask if he's not in armor. But the mask disappears when he is in armor. Isn't it weird?

Trying again I see

Auto Bot's got a point, though, unless you think of his armour 'helmet' as being a battle mask for the whole head.

This is, of course, presuming he's talking about G1 Magnus and that one believes he is a white Prime underneath. Some people believe he transforms straight from car carrier to 'armoured' mode.

Yup. G1 Magnus. The weird thing is, assuming he's got an armour helmet for the armoured mode, his lips moves when he talks.

So he is a reverse of Cybertron Prime, battle mask in normal mode and face in "super" mode

I personally never thought about him having another robot mode inside the "big mode", maybe that's because I've never had the toy.

It would have made more sense if you swtiched the armoured head with the un-armoured head.

The cab's robot mode was never seen in the catoons. I'm not sure about the coimcs but I know he's never without his armor in the cartoons.

Kinda like BM Megatron's Robot modes for both his dragon and head forms. The head/flying fortress doesn't have a robot mode. It changes from that to a star ship. The dragon form has two robot modes, one that doesn't exsist at all and the other that's a horrible version of how he actully appears in the cartoon.

Come to think of it, Jetstorm, Thrust, and Obsidian have 2 bobot modes allso. The toys all have a "feeted" robot mode but thoughs characters on the show don't have feet.

Saber Prime wrote:The cab's robot mode was never seen in the catoons. I'm not sure about the coimcs but I know he's never without his armor in the cartoons.

Kinda like BM Megatron's Robot modes for both his dragon and head forms. The head/flying fortress doesn't have a robot mode. It changes from that to a star ship. The dragon form has two robot modes, one that doesn't exsist at all and the other that's a horrible version of how he actully appears in the cartoon.

Come to think of it, Jetstorm, Thrust, and Obsidian have 2 bobot modes allso. The toys all have a "feeted" robot mode but thoughs characters on the show don't have feet.

Well the Jetstorm toy had 3 modes...a jet, a robot with legs and one with out like the show....thats how I have mine displayed but I have a beenie bag toy figure stand holding him in the air. I cant speek for Thrust and Obsidian cause I haven gotten the toys yet.

Oh about the "the tree has to originate from you for the different yous to be the same" that's rather self sentered way of thinking isn't it? I mean if that were true that would mean the universe littereally DOES revolve around you.

No the chances of you exsisting in another universe allthough unlikely is not impossible. The simple fact that Sisko does exist in both universes on Star Trek is proof of that. I mean if it was impossible for him to be there than why is he?

Here's a nice example for you.

Neptune is from Primal Earth, that's the dimention we're currently in. His origin is Science being that he was chemically mutated.

Lord Imperial is from Mythical Earth, a dimention where Merlin lived forever and eventully became Lord Merlin, the ruler of the entire planet Earth. He's not a corrupt leader though, for someone who can bend the fabric of reality just being Lord and master of an entire planet isn't a whole lot of power. The only real law is "No Black Magic is to be used without supervision from Merlin himself." Because everyone in this world knows Magic he of course is Magic origin.

Both Lord Imperial and Neptune are the same character/person. The difference between them is actully not that great.

Lord Imperial started training with Merlin around the same time Neptune was chemically altered. Both went by the name Ducklingboy before that. (Simular fashion to how Robin is now called Night Wing)

Neptune has an evil clone named Mr. Hammer Head. Lord Imperial has an evil Doupleganger named Lord Vestereo.

The 2 big differences are their powers of course. The other difference is that Lord Vestereo is not a seperate character from Lord Imperial. His personality was actully split in half and the evil/bad part of him manifested itself into a new body.

This is probly the most confusing character I've ever created because it really goes agenst everything I've been saying so far. Basically he's an Astroprojection only a solid one. Things get a little more complicated when Magic is involved than with science sence Magic defies all the laws of science.

I don't actully belive in Magic but for fictional characters it's fine.