The Energon Pub

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:

Burn wrote:

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:And you dont read my posts either.
All these 'replacements' are for energon only.

I chose not to acknowledge that because it is NOT confirmed, just like my idea for the challenge arena is NOT confirmed.

So come on Redimus, you seem to be pretty good at giving an opinion on things, what would be YOUR vision for V2 in regards to arena and missions.

Let's see if you can come up with something instead of being so quick to criticise things.

By and large I have liked the the majority og ideas for V2. I am just against the loss of the arnea. Only possible replacement I could think of would be some kinda training missions, which would allow you to get a small amount of xp if you havnt got time to put em in missions.

That is pretty much pointless. If you have time to put them in "training missions" why not put them in Real Ones?

Support your Faction not yourself. By doing that you will help yourself much more in the long run.

simple and easy answer no i need some people in missions to back me up

LuckytheWonderLlama wrote:That is pretty much pointless. If you have time to put them in "training missions" why not put them in Real Ones?

Support your Faction not yourself. By doing that you will help yourself much more in the long run.

If you bothered to read my previous posts, instead of spending your time changing the font colour, you'd realise that the reason i want the arena (or somthing similer) is so that if my team are having a bad time of it, or I dont have time to wait for a mission to close, and happen before entering someone else into something, I have something I can fling my guys in that'll still earn them xp (all be it less xp than the average mission).

99% I am a missions only person, BUT that dosnt mean I dont have use for the arena. Hence, I'd like to see the arena, or something similer that can give at least some xp, to remain.

Burn wrote:

Silver Wind wrote:

Tifereth wrote:mission is also free iirc

That is incorrect. The arena has always been the only place where repair is free for level 0s.

Unless the code got rolled back, free cr chamber was introduced to arena AND missions a few months back.

That's news to me.

Burn wrote:Here's a reality check people. This new version is going to focus more on factions. You'll NEED to work with your fellow faction members to SURVIVE. Think about that and just for once think about the future instead of your own selfish selves.

I do spend most of my time in the missions, but as I've said before, I prefer having the arena around as it currently is. However, I am open to compromise on the issue. But how dare you accuse me and those share a viewpoint similar to mine of being selfish. Just because we care about the arena doesn't mean that we don't care about the missions nor our factions!

Silver Wind wrote:But how dare you accuse me and those share a viewpoint similar to mine of being selfish. Just because we care about the arena doesn't mean that we don't care about the missions nor our factions!

qft!

Silver Wind wrote:But how dare you accuse me and those share a viewpoint similar to mine of being selfish. Just because we care about the arena doesn't mean that we don't care about the missions nor our factions!

Gee, I dunno, maybe because that's the attitude I see!

I don't know how much of this forum you read but whenever I see ideas posted there's always someone jumping up to shoot it down. And why do they shoot it down? Because it will affect THEM in a detrimental way.

Take this thread for example. The only reasons given for keeping the arena around is for a persons own use.

So you care about missions and your faction, good on ya! But what about the rest of the game huh? What about the impact the current arena format has on it? It divides the playing community.

You want variety in this game? You're going to have variety. OS is going to ensure there will be other parts of HMW for people to enjoy, but it needs to be balanced so that it doesn't detract from missions.

I started this thread to gauge opinions and to offer an alternative. Like I said earlier, it's funny how some people tend to overlook the alternative and just jump up and down about preserving the arena.

With that being said, can I get a lock on this thread please?

I think it's run it's course, most people would like to see the arena replaced with something else, and it also just proves my point that some people simply look at an idea or a suggestion on how it will benefit them rather than how it will benefit the entire game.

And if you want to take offense to that, *points to sig*

Either I completely failed to clearly express my opinion in the previous post, or I did a fantastic job and you wrongly interpreted it.

Whichever the case may be, let me state that I'm not defending those who are arena junkies nor players that are averse to compromising. I'm just defending my good name along with the likes of Redimus and other players that can be considered reasonable people.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread.

I wouldn't miss it, and since when can Redimus be considered a reasonable person? (This isn't to say that Silver Wind isn't one though)

Silver Wind wrote:I'm just defending my good name along with the likes of Redimus and other players that can be considered reasonable people.

Funny, I don't recall your name even being mentioned. A reasonable person would know better to not take offense to something that isn't aimed at them.

I attempt to be as clear as possible. I came home tired from work, and I have stayed up 2 hours past my usual bedtime. I apologize for any confusion I may cause.

1) I would miss the arena because: it is different from missions; good for lower levels who are still learning; those who do not feel like being slaughtered.

2) I do not support a replacement that would be energon-only payout. Nor a bragging rights-only version. Nor an incarnation that would allow Bot vs Bot and Con vs Con, or experience points awarded only to the victor (mentioned some pages back). I like the arena as it currently is.

Even if you take away the arena, or replace it with a designed mechanism to discourage arena play, will it translate into more players in missions? Not necessarily. It is more a matter of a person's style of play and the dreaded Time Zones. If it is true that there are total arena-sitters (which no one has proved to me yet), then is it right to tell them the manner in which they cannot play? I know, why don't we forbid players from creating role-play characters so the missions will be full of REAL fighters [who wouldn't need any support from "arena sitters"]? Wouldn't want those silly RP-ers dragging down their faction, no sir-ree... Just as we cannot dictate to players how to spec their TFs, it is not right to say that arena players have to fight more missions. Again, we each have our own playing goals/styles when it comes to HMW.

I consider this entire concept ill-advised.

Now for you, Burn. Don't be obtuse. You start the post quoting my sister, then continue on about how "they" are ruining things. How is she to not infer that you refer to her, either by directly using what she wrote or by disparaging the group in which she falls into? "[...]whenever I see ideas posted there's always someone jumping up to shoot it down. And why do they shoot it down? Because it will affect THEM in a detrimental way." Of course there is always someone - you ask a question and people respond, some with thought-out, articulate answers (and some... less so), as you well know. And "they", as in everyone who disagrees with you, do not shoot it down simply because it is detrimental to them. (You probably did not mean to imply the previous, but it is what came across to Silver Wind and myself.) Anyway, we do think about the game for everyone, not just our own individual gain/loss. Please do not release your general frustration of an understandably vexing situation so unfairly on us. You asked, we intelligently answered.

I think Redimus to be quite reasonable. He likes hot chocolate, after all. *high-fives Redimus*

Ransom wrote:You start the post quoting my sister,

*yawn yawn* *blah blah*

Actually I only quoted her when she decided to launch her tirade against me. I never said anything about her personally until she decided to take offense to a post that made no mention of her whatsoever. So you know, not my problem.

And if that ain't good enough for ya, *points to sig ... again*

I wouldnt miss it, mainly because I dont fight in arena at all now, since I got four Level 4 cons, but they are low level cons, so I'd get slaughtered more than in missions............Even at missions where there is no opponents, its a free energon then........... Its an easy energon I'd go for....hehehe...

Burn wrote:Would you miss the arena?

No.

However, I wouldn't really care about it still being available in v2. It doesn't take up much space, so it doesn't bother me. Why not keep it for the people who prefer the arena or like to engage in arena-combat every once in a while?

If the arena was taken away for "V2", I wouldn't miss it. Since the auto-CR was implemented for missions, I hardly go into the arena anymore. To be honest, I wouldn't complain if it stayed or disappeared into the murky depths.

I kinda would...

OK. I've got a couple of minutes here at work to chime in so here goes...

The arena is staying but it will be Energon only. No XP.

The Pit will be more of a challenge arena where you can either put yourself up for challenge or challenge another player who is waiting.
When you put your character in the pit you will be able to wager that character's available xp AND/OR energon (you get to select the amount you want to wager) and whoever decides to fight you has to put up the same amount to challenge. The winner of the fight takes all.

I also plan to have your characters receive awards for the amount of Pit wins you get (on top of whatever bragging rights you have).

I know this is a variation of what Burn was wanting but if you are going to gamble, it will be more fun to gamble on your character's abilities rather than the RNG (BBG will not be in the new HMW).

Energon will be much more important in the new program and, if your broke, the arena will serve as an extra way to get it (or lose it if your characters stink). Since there will be no xp involved, if you decide to park characters in the new arena, you will NEVER advance in ANY area.

OK. I'm getting back to work now.

haha funny to see Burn lose the usual cool. wlel supposed usual cool. i believe most people wanted to see the arena survive in one way or another, but a focus on missions, that's the way the current game is, with all tournies etc in missions. also you speak of a divided community? well a major split between people who bother to read the forums, and those who just play the game oblivious to the back biting going on here. flame me if you want burn, but i believe you're not in the majority this time.

omega, your ideas sound class, and i thoroughly await their introduction. once again your outside the box thinking pays off, as opposed to the traditional "oh but that wouldnt happen in real life approach which some people take.

y2si wrote:omega, your ideas sound class, and i thoroughly await their introduction. once again your outside the box thinking pays off, as opposed to the traditional "oh but that wouldnt happen in real life approach which some people take.

Thanks, but I see this as being possible in real life:

If you put your bots in an arena match it would be like a Cybertron sports event and your bot can make money doing it. It is outside the "war" and done for recreation and profit.

If you put your bot into the Pit it is for grudge purposes and you are challenging another bot for bragging rights while taking whatever he wages on the match.

Most societies have sports and grudge matches going on within themselves even while they are at war. Not sure why this wouldn't be realistic on Cybertron.

y2si wrote:haha funny to see Burn lose the usual cool. wlel supposed usual cool.

Everyone should realize that Burn's goals are for the betterment of the game and I have found his input VERY valuable.
Even if I don't agree with some of Burn's opinions, I respect them. He is a knowledgable vet of this game.

Let's debate, not flame.

Im confused, you say you can gamble energon and/or xp then say there'll be no way to gain xp in the 'pit'.

IF you can gamble for xp as well, then Im happy with that, it is my alternative sorce of xp, and thats all i wanted.

Omega Sentinel wrote:Let's debate, not flame.

Thats what we were trying to do before burn decided to attck a few of us for not liking his idea.

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:Im confused, you say you can gamble energon and/or xp then say there'll be no way to gain xp in the 'pit'.

I said there will be no way to gain xp in the arena.

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:[color=red]Thats what we were trying to do before burn decided to attck a few of us for not liking his idea.

I wasn't singling anyone out. I was just asking everyone not to flame. If it continues to flare up I'll need to lock the thread.

I'd miss the arena every so often since 2 hour wait time has a tendency to garuntee me a fight, i dont have to check anything for when im to busy to moniter my bots and all missions are 5+ bots each with 0 cons around

Redimus' Ego +1 wrote:Im confused, you say you can gamble energon and/or xp then say there'll be no way to gain xp in the 'pit'.

IF you can gamble for xp as well, then Im happy with that, it is my alternative sorce of xp, and thats all i wanted.

Omega Sentinel wrote:Let's debate, not flame.

Thats what we were trying to do before burn decided to attck a few of us for not liking his idea.

My how quikly the agreesers seem to forget who struck first

On topic: I would like to point out to those who wish the arena to stay so that they have an easy source of exp. that is the whole reason the majority want it gone

Jar Axel wrote:On topic: I would like to point out to those who wish the arena to stay so that they have an easy source of exp. that is the whole reason the majority want it gone

This is no longer debatable. The arena will not be a source of xp in the new system.

I know that OS (I read your post); however I was merely pointing out the gist of the argument for those who will no doubt still complain.

Omega Sentinel wrote:

Jar Axel wrote:On topic: I would like to point out to those who wish the arena to stay so that they have an easy source of exp. that is the whole reason the majority want it gone

This is no longer debatable. The arena will not be a source of xp in the new system.

So what you're saying is that it's a way to gauge our setups in the new system while earning (or losing) energon in the process?

Sort of an expensive version of Burn's Battle Simulation idea.