wingdarkness wrote:There are so many ways I can attack a comeback, but I feel as if no matter how I rebut this I will be perceived as coming-off superior and despite popular belief that was never my intention
Sure did a great job of perpetuating that belief though didn't ya?
I've contended from post one that I'm confident with my G1 true-fan status,
See, this is what pisses people off. Those who call themselves "true" fans.
Just wtf is a "true" fan anyway? I mean ffs, you're either a fan of Transformers or you're not. The only differing levels in the fandom is if you're a G1 fan, a BW fan, a MW fan, a BM fan, a RiD fan, a A/E/C fan, a fan of all, a fan of the comics only ... the way I see it even if you're a fan of one small aspect of Transformers then you're a "true" fan.
But then to have "true" fans you'd need "false" fans and I really don't see how that's possible. As I said, you're either a fan or you're not. It's that simple.
Unfortunately Don Murphy and others came out and explicitly said that g1 lovers would be respected and I took them at their word...IMO they didn't meet that requirement and much of my negative feelings stem from that...
Yeah well Murphy's an idiot. I realised soon after he started to "interact" with the fandom that he was nothing but a loud mouthed grand-standing wanker and anything he said should be best ignored.
Additionally I refuse to just love any incarnation of TF, just because it's TF...So you won't see me going "Ga-Ga" over everything they slap an autobot decal on just because I'm suppose to love TF...
And no one expects you to.
I came into this thread simply commenting on a youtube guy's rant (In a "Wow. This guy REAAALLY hated the movie" thread mind you--not a general thread) really feeling as if he was a real fan for the passion he displayed; I mean I felt his anger and where he was coming from not that I 100% agreed...I was then confronted in every direction for that "real fan" comment and accused of wanting a total g1 cartoon movie, so I came out blazing from that confrontation (inwhich I didn't particularly start)...
Yeah, boohoo, you're the victim blah blah blah. Fact remains, you claim you didn't want to come off as superior, yet you label yourself, and those who share your opinion of the movie, as "real fans".
How is that not provoking people to attack you? You basically say "anyone who likes this movie isn't a Transformers fan", and to top it off, you basically accuse those who like the movie of being "unevolved apes".
And then you turn around and cry victim and that you did no wrong?
So if I'm troll for defending my POV against a slew of opposition (some of who simply played to the verses crowd) then I'm a damn good troll...Prolly better than the ones who drop a vulgar one-liner in the hopes to pi$$ people off...Debate and defend, debate and defend that's what i do, and when I get ticked I do a little more...So take it as you will, without me going thru a laundry list of what TF paraphernalia I have and what I don't have I stand by my truG1 status and the fact I thought this movie was severely lacking and in some ways downright insultful to many of my G1 bretheren...Whether they wanna admit that with or without the cookie-coating is up to them, but I acknowledge that a few aren't seemingly with me, and that's my peace...
And this is where you don't get it.
Your "G1 bretheren"? In case you haven't noticed, there are plenty of people who grew up with G1 and enjoyed this movie! You make it sound like everybody who grew up with G1 was against this movie.
You're generalising and bordering on being ignorant to the opinions of others.
How so? Because you claim the movie was an insult to you and your "G1 bretheren", yet many people have posted in this very forum how much they enjoyed the movie and are your "G1 bretheren".
Face it, you do come across as superior, you clearly don't respect the opinions of others and resorted to belittling the intelligence of those who disagreed with you. You make incorrect assumptions about your fellow fans, and then you turn around and justify it as being the victim.
I will say this, yes, there are those who resorted to short profanity laced posts, but I do NOT agree with your belief that this is to be expected of movie supporters. It's a bad generalisation and just proves my theory you're completely out of touch with your fellow Tranformer fans, you know ... the group we're all apart of because there's no such thing as "true" or "false", we're all just fans.
Try going to some of the other sub-forums on Seibertron.com and maybe then you'll see more sides to your fellow fans.
I whole heartly agree with you here.
I never said you had to like everything about TFs, I never said you had to like the movie. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I got mine, and after I posted my review in it's proper thread, I said I was done defending my opinion. There's no point really, if it's your opinion there's no defense, and that's that. And while I stand by my statement about Geewunners, and it was a general statement not meant to single you personally out, it really doesn't change the fact that we're all fans. You may like G1, that's fine. I like just about everything that's TF and that's fine. Neither of us is more the fan than the other. Neither of us are "posers", we're just fans. My whole reasoning is that there are whole aspects of TFs that some haven't grasped. Their involvement ended in 1987 when the original went off the air. And these are the people who slam long time fans. And just cuz they're purists to one part of the whole(and trust me, there are more than just G1 loyalists in the fandom) doesn't make them more a fan than another. And that's what got my feathers ruffled, you claim you're a bigger fan than I am cuz all you like is G1. It doesn't, nor will it ever. And visa versa. 
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