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News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:52 am

wingdarkness wrote:@Blackout - Thanx...I'm really just a passionate fan when it's all said and done and in the end I really mean no harm...So sorry if I offended you...

D-340 wrote:And it goes back to the whiny geewuner fanboy pissing and moaning about Prime's flames. I love how they can't help but grasp at straws now. It's ok though, his long winded rants are hilarious.

Wow a lazy and passive-aggressive post aimed at getting people on your side when you're incapable of breaking down my actual statements...Hmmm never seen that before :rollseyes:...Glad you LOL'd though I thought my Sparkplug and Jazz satire was pretty funny myself, along with some other stuff I wrote specifically for chuckles...I try to make my long posts enjoyable to read atleast...Awaits your next defense-mechanism disguised as a audience pleasing post..

You found me out. I'm all in defense mode cuz you didn't like a damned movie. I could care less. I just find it funny that people still go on and on over all of this. There is nothing you or anyone else can do about anything now. Don't like it, don't see it, don't buy it. End of story. Nobody's forcing you to do anything. And, I've said it before, Bay may have raped your childhood, but not mine. I've been a fan since I was a kid, and the movie did nothing to change anything.

And so you know, I'm not here to please any crowd. People like my statements, so be it. But I don't speak my mind to please anybody.

News Credits: 4 · by **General Magnus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:23 am

Burn wrote:
wingdarkness wrote:@Burn - If your not an ape I'm certainley not talking to you, just using that as an extreme overveiw of how hollywood Blockbusters are catered nowadays...And Micheal Bay specifically--the lowest common denominator of generic audiences...

And yet, so many of his films are successful.

Says a lot about the human race doesn't it?

And me too considering I don't mind his films.

But then i'm not a true fan. So what would I know?

Armageddon is on my list of top movies. I liked The Rock.

by **Koloth** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:04 am

Yep, exactly the argument I expected. And yet still didn't address what was wrong with the movie beyond complaining that is wasn't G1. If the story is such a problem then address that. Because the "It isn't G1" argument isn't going to cut it. I can only assume that using that argument that everything from the beast era on sucked in your opinion. Yet I have found enjoyable aspects in all of them.

Once again I don't care if you hate the movie. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What I can't respect though is BS claims that those of use that did enjoy the movie aren't true fans. Though clearly you can't see that this arguement is posturing to place yourself above the rest of the fandom in some sort of superior position where only your opinion matters and therest of us commoners should bow down and worship your superior knowledge. The problem there though is unbeknownst to you the general fandom is far more intellegent than that and sees right through your crap.

by **Kimmer** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:20 am

wingdarkness wrote:@Koloth - Real fans are people who aren't settling, who aren't telling themselves to go into the movie with low expectations just to enjoy it, who aren't compromising because their 7 year old is enjoying smashing Robots so they tell themselves this was great...Who aren't coming up with the mentally pathetic excuse of "What did you want an Oscar-worthy plot?" when people are just asking for a plot that makes sense...Who aren't coaxing themselves into an illusion of "I'll support the movie because it's better than no Transformers at all" ,...Well to alot of us "real fans-true fans" (take that however you will)all that's a crock and we rather nothing over rapeage...

But like I've said before, either you feel it or you don't...It's not like I predicted 23 years ago I was gonna be pi$$ed at a Transformer movie...It just happened and hoards of my 1984 brethren feel the same way...They refuse to suppress their raw emotions to somehow put a positive spin on some of this...The guy in the youtube clip is quite the same...The dude is just spewing his raw, unfiltered opinion rather than being an apologist or spinster for Bay, or Bayformers, or Transformers...and I for one respect that a helleva lot more than these born in 1988, G1 loyalist telling us to calm down...There's a reason why so many "real fans" don't get why we continue to b!tch and moan..

I don't have a billion to do the movie in a more pleasing way; all I have is this keyboard and while I'm shootin' the breeze I'll leave a record for the movie-seekers of the future so that when they Google some Trans-Movie info or reviews atleast some percentage of individuals will know a huge part of the fanbase that made making this movie RELEVANT felt it betrayed us...

The way you feel when you hear us moaning is the way I feel when I hear you and people of your ilk go on about how fantastic this movie is...But that doesn't even really tick me off as much as these g1ners (of whom I've only come across a couple) who spin and contort their body in every direction to apologize or suppress their real feelings..I'm a big fan of speaking how you feel and this guy did that and for the most part I understand his frustration and that it's coming from a place of respect for Tranformers and what it really meant to so many of us...Not that you don't respect it Koloth, but either you feel this emotion or you don't...This $hit isn't an act, it's pure-honesty...

by **Low Convoy** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:44 am

DvDqNoC wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCZjwkU5hk8

Judging by the slightly red and watery eyes I think he had one too many pints before he made the vid.

by **The Paragon of Virtue** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 12:06 pm

Koloth wrote:Yep, exactly the argument I expected. And yet still didn't address what was wrong with the movie beyond complaining that is wasn't G1. If the story is such a problem then address that. Because the "It isn't G1" argument isn't going to cut it. I can only assume that using that argument that everything from the beast era on sucked in your opinion. Yet I have found enjoyable aspects in all of them.

Once again I don't care if you hate the movie. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What I can't respect though is BS claims that those of use that did enjoy the movie aren't true fans. Though clearly you can't see that this arguement is posturing to place yourself above the rest of the fandom in some sort of superior position where only your opinion matters and therest of us commoners should bow down and worship your superior knowledge. The problem there though is unbeknownst to you the general fandom is far more intellegent than that and sees right through your crap.

As someone who grew up on G1 and still loves it, I think Beast Wars is easily the best made Transformers cartoon. It's not even close.

Then again, the simple fact that I just said that means I'm not a true fan because I'm supporting Prime being a "munky" instead of a "trukk," and he didn't even have a permanent faceplate in that show. If only I could be as true a fan as wingdarkness, then my opinion would actually matter. I guess we can only strive to be as awesomely true a fan as he is.

#-o

by **wingdarkness** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 2:58 pm

Koloth wrote:Yep, exactly the argument I expected. And yet still didn't address what was wrong with the movie beyond complaining that is wasn't G1. If the story is such a problem then address that. Because the "It isn't G1" argument isn't going to cut it. I can only assume that using that argument that everything from the beast era on sucked in your opinion. Yet I have found enjoyable aspects in all of them.

Once again I don't care if you hate the movie. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. What I can't respect though is BS claims that those of use that did enjoy the movie aren't true fans. Though clearly you can't see that this argument is posturing to place yourself above the rest of the fandom in some sort of superior position where only your opinion matters and therest of us commoners should bow down and worship your superior knowledge. The problem there though is unbeknownst to you the general fandom is far more intellegent than that and sees right through your crap.

All I did was tear the plot to shreds satirically, you can pretend you missed it..I'm fine with that...and I also made it clear I didn't want a total g1 cartoon remake (you can pretend you didn't read that aswell)...I didn't particularly like Beast Wars, but again without that first orginal fanbase(g1) there is no Beast Wars, there is no Armada, Cybertron, Energon,...The Japanese bought the franchise because of it's explosion here in the mid-80's and wanted to recreate that in their market...I already explained it, when I say "true-fan" that's my own little moniker for the 1984 fanbase that made TRANS FORMERS a relevant entity here in America(You can pretend you haven't heard me say this multiple times aswell)...If you don't fall under that heading don't be offended...

WE g1ners made transformers relevant, that's just a FACT, whether you want to accept it or not, and it's not a slight it's just the god honest truth...Without me sitting my a$$ down in 1984, begging my mom to buy me every TF available you would have no Bayformers(and I had atleast 75% of the toys that appeared from season 1-4)...SO continue to see thru my crap, but at the end of the day my stance doesn't change...You can't change the truth...and if the general fandom = the general Michael Bay movie audience, then intelligence is a very bias term indeed...But again that's my true opinion, don't agree that's totally fair...

I guess we can only strive to be as awesomely true a fan as he is.

Heh, It wouldn't hurt :-P

...

by **Prowl_83** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:34 pm

Paragon, I suck at html so I can't quote you properly, but that had me laughing out loud.

That was gold

by **Koloth** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 3:57 pm

Wing I was there in 84 too. You can cut the bull crap thinking you're all that. Fact is you're not. I may not have had as many toys because I didn't have as much disposable income as some others but I had my share. And my uncle who is only three years older than me had more than his fair share as well. Just because people came in later doesn't make them any less a fan than you either.

And the franchise was all but dead until Beast Wars so get over it. G1 wasn't the end all and be all of the franchise. It was a starting point and season 3 was very nearly an ending point too. I'm sick to death of geewuners that think they are the only ones that matter. Yes we were there at the beginning but most of us grew up and left it to younger veiwers. You can't fault Bay for not doing a G1 remake because the Geewuners are not going to bring this movie any money. It is the lowest common denominator that is going to put money in the pockets of the production.

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:18 pm

While Im not in complete agreement with his review, its funny as hell and he was right about the "family" nature in my opinion.

by **wingdarkness** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:40 pm

First Gen wrote:While Im not in complete agreement with his review, its funny as hell and he was right about the "family" nature in my opinion.

Huh? What are you talking about?

by **Nugget** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:51 pm

I have nothing constructive to add to this argument. It's all been said before on this and otherboards. Both sides have valid points. So I'll leave you with this:

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:01 pm

wingdarkness wrote:
First Gen wrote:While Im not in complete agreement with his review, its funny as hell and he was right about the "family" nature in my opinion.

Huh? What are you talking about?

Nothing Wing. I see you're intent on disagreeing with everything anyone might say, so just ignore my post altogether. Thanks.

by **wingdarkness** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:09 pm

^Man-o-Man...Sheesh I have no intent to disagree with you I just didn't understand what your post meant..Don't patronize me by asking me to ignore you...I'm really not a monster...I was geniunely trying to figure out what you were saying...That's all...

News Credits: 1014 · by **First Gen** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:27 pm

wingdarkness wrote:^Man-o-Man...Sheesh I have no intent to disagree with you I just didn't understand what your post meant..Don't patronize me by asking me to ignore you...I'm really not a monster...I was geniunely trying to figure out what you were saying...That's all...

In the review the guy stated he wanted the movie to be darker, more fear and suspense. I agree with that. That would have been nice but not feasible given the audience that was watching.

Because Im adult I wanted a more adult movie, but Im happy with what I got because the CGI was amazing and I accept it as a NEW time continuum and not G1.

News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 5:48 pm

Koloth wrote:Wing I was there in 84 too. You can cut the bull crap thinking you're all that. Fact is you're not. I may not have had as many toys because I didn't have as much disposable income as some others but I had my share. And my uncle who is only three years older than me had more than his fair share as well. Just because people came in later doesn't make them any less a fan than you either.

And the franchise was all but dead until Beast Wars so get over it. G1 wasn't the end all and be all of the franchise. It was a starting point and season 3 was very nearly an ending point too. I'm sick to death of geewuners that think they are the only ones that matter. Yes we were there at the beginning but most of us grew up and left it to younger veiwers. You can't fault Bay for not doing a G1 remake because the Geewuners are not going to bring this movie any money. It is the lowest common denominator that is going to put money in the pockets of the production.

Same here, been there since day one. And I don't have have any rose colored glasses on, we who grew up on G1 did not make Transformers what it is today. Just cuz some kids in the 80's loved doesn't mean it survived solely on us old schoolers. It didn't, it died. Or did you so conveniently forget anything post 86 movie. Let me refresh your memory: Season 3 flopped, the toys started declining in popularity, kids wanted Optimus Prime, we got Rodimus. Hasbro tried giving us Optimus again, but too little too late too save the series. TFs went out with a whimper, not a bang. How do I know this, I WAS THERE. I watched TFs disappear, and it bummed me out, but that's how it goes. They tried with G2 but it flopped horribly. The next TFs got any kind of popularity again was Beast Wars. So we G1 fans had nothing to do with its continuing popularity, it's ability to draw in new fans has.

For the record Koloth, you are a friggin' genius.

And I will say this. Be offended or not, I could care less, it's my opinion. Geewunners aren't true fans, they are hopeless nostalgics who can't get over the fact G1 DIED in 87. Get over it, I did. And I'm a very happy Transfan for it, I can appreciate the whole franchise, not just one part.

by **wingdarkness** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:45 pm

@ D-430 - Puhleeze...If Koloth was Soundwave you'd be the little tape-cassette in his chest..."D-430, apologist eject!" Make your own points and stop cheerleading...Nothing sadder than a grown man with pom-poms...While I don't see eye to eye with Koloth atleast I have some respect for him despite his hatred for me..Atleast he's bringing in content instead of just playing the "applause-game"...

Without orginal g1 there is no Bayformers, no Japanese take-over with Headmasters that inevitably kept the genre so strong in Japan that it was brought back with Beast Wars, No cheerleaders in 2007 talkin bout g1 died either...Transformers would have been a 13 ep series that faded into oblivion like a random Hanna Barbara cartoon found Sunday nights at 4am on Boomerang if it wasn't for the cultural phenomenon we created...You ain't g1, you wish you were g1 that's why your cheerleading so hard...Go get Mike Bay a cup of decaf while he re-designs Powerglide into a tube of KY jelly...You wanna go down this route, I go no problems with it...Be offended or not, I could careless, IMO you're a POSER, now do what posers do "Rooooll Out"....

This is between me and R2D2-430, so don't take this post as a challenge to random members just to this singular cheericon...

by **The Paragon of Virtue** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:50 pm

wingdarkness wrote:You ain't g1, you wish you were g1 that's why your cheerleading so hard

So the only way we can be G1 is if we agree with you and your point of view? :???:

Who are you to decide who is G1 and who isn't? Who are you to decide who is a fan and who isn't? That is arrogant beyond words.

by **wingdarkness** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:00 pm

Paragon please stop taking everthing so literal...He called me out so I'm calling him out..That simple, you don't need to dissect it for scientific interpretation....I'm talkin bout him, not everyone in a blanket statement...Him specifically..

by **Koloth** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:35 pm

I don't hate you. Like you said before I don't even know you. I just hate what your about in this particular thread. Which is simply put cutting down anyone that found even an inkling of enjoyment in the movie. You can hate the movie all you want, but I take acception at you attacking the fans that did like it.

There are plenty of bad movies out there. And plenty of people with no taste that will like them. It may be your opinion that this movie is one of those bad movies. Though the truth is more likely the movie itself is good as most people seem to generally agree. However for the rabid fanboy type it is a bad Transformer story.

But then I have always felt the rabid fanboy of anything was purely to the determent of the rest of the fandom. They are usually the least agreable to change and the most vehomoth attackers of said change. Though ultimately this movie like Beast Wars and even Beast Machines will be accepted by the majority of the fandom and the rabid fanboys will either learn to accept it or get ignored by the rest.

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:38 pm

Guys, just let it go.

Our unevolved ape like brains simply cannot compete/argue with the brain of a true fan.

Let them have their rants, all our grunting and banana requests do is give them reason to continue to harp on about trivial matters.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm taking these bananas and swinging to the top of the tree to enjoy them while also oogling at my 800+ figure collection, complete G1/BW dvd collection and my few hundred issues of Marvel UK G1 comics.

News Credits: 4 · by **General Magnus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:40 pm

Burn wrote:Guys, just let it go.

Our unevolved ape like brains simply cannot compete/argue with the brain of a true fan.

Let them have their rants, all our grunting and banana requests do is give them reason to continue to harp on about trivial matters.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm taking these bananas and swinging to the top of the tree to enjoy them while also oogling at my 800+ figure collection, complete G1/BW dvd collection and my few hundred issues of Marvel UK G1 comics.

Will you share your bananas? ;;)

News Credits: 226 · by **Burn** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:45 pm

General Magnus wrote:
Burn wrote:Guys, just let it go.

Our unevolved ape like brains simply cannot compete/argue with the brain of a true fan.

Let them have their rants, all our grunting and banana requests do is give them reason to continue to harp on about trivial matters.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm taking these bananas and swinging to the top of the tree to enjoy them while also oogling at my 800+ figure collection, complete G1/BW dvd collection and my few hundred issues of Marvel UK G1 comics.

Will you share your bananas?

Have I ever given the impression that i'm nice enough to share?

News Credits: 1 · by **D-340** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:23 pm

wingdarkness wrote:@ D-430 - Puhleeze...If Koloth was Soundwave you'd be the little tape-cassette in his chest..."D-430, apologist eject!" Make your own points and stop cheerleading...Nothing sadder than a grown man with pom-poms...While I don't see eye to eye with Koloth atleast I have some respect for him despite his hatred for me..Atleast he's bringing in content instead of just playing the "applause-game"...

Without orginal g1 there is no Bayformers, no Japanese take-over with Headmasters that inevitably kept the genre so strong in Japan that it was brought back with Beast Wars, No cheerleaders in 2007 talkin bout g1 died either...Transformers would have been a 13 ep series that faded into oblivion like a random Hanna Barbara cartoon found Sunday nights at 4am on Boomerang if it wasn't for the cultural phenomenon we created...You ain't g1, you wish you were g1 that's why your cheerleading so hard...Go get Mike Bay a cup of decaf while he re-designs Powerglide into a tube of KY jelly...You wanna go down this route, I go no problems with it...Be offended or not, I could careless, IMO you're a POSER, now do what posers do "Rooooll Out"....

This is between me and R2D2-430, so don't take this post as a challenge to random members just to this singular cheericon...

My 1000+ TF collection(many of which ARE G1, and I've had since I was a kid, thank you), the Con tattoo on my forearm, the Bot tattoo on my wifes forearm, my very huge DVD and VHS(some original, some of the Rhino reissues) coolection, and my 300+ TF comic collection(again, I'm in posession of the majority of the original Marvel G1 comics), my newborn son's TF bedsheets, and random Japanese TF memorbilia(I have the Famicon game, though I can't play it) says I'm nowhere near a poser. I've been collecting since day friggin' one, so yeah, I guess that would put me way beyond poser status.

:APPLAUSE:

Congrats to you. I normally just write off trolls like you, but I let you get under my skin. I'm done defending myself against you, now. I'm gonna go eat my bananas like the stupid ape I am, but I gonna do it while going through the vast collection I have amassed over the 20+ years I've been collecting.

And I retire as Koloth's cheerleader.

News Credits: 1 · by **Flashback** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:33 pm

Burn wrote:Guys, just let it go.

Our unevolved ape like brains simply cannot compete/argue with the brain of a true fan.

Let them have their rants, all our grunting and banana requests do is give them reason to continue to harp on about trivial matters.

Now if you'll excuse me, i'm taking these bananas and swinging to the top of the tree to enjoy them while also oogling at my 800+ figure collection, complete G1/BW dvd collection and my few hundred issues of Marvel UK G1 comics.

Marvel UK comics, Burn? Reprints, or the original ones that were huge and on that lovely dry paper, sold in newsagents?
:-?