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Seems we lost out with Prime's Faceplate...

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Postby The Paragon of Virtue » Sat May 05, 2007 7:15 pm

metimoteo wrote:[Oh, Michael, you're so kewl! Can I kiss you? Oh, Michael, you're the greatest director in the whole world! I own all you're movies. Would you autograph my chest please?!] Cripes! You Bay-lovers sicken me.


Who's said stuff like that?
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Postby Duo Prime » Sat May 05, 2007 7:19 pm

Oh, i already heard about the G.I. Joe Movie. Mike Bay is directing. Cobra Commander is going to ba a 15 year old girl, Snake Eyes is going to have a mouth hole and red lipstick, and Zartan is going to turn into a duck instead of changing colors. Oh yeah, Shaq is goin to play Storm Shadow.
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Postby jgilkinson » Sat May 05, 2007 7:22 pm

as long as the plate gets so major air time im all for both. I was actually expecting that since the first time i heard about all of em having "Battle mode" faces.
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Postby 1337W422102 » Sat May 05, 2007 7:30 pm

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Duo Prime wrote:Oh, i already heard about the G.I. Joe Movie. Mike Bay is directing. Cobra Commander is going to ba a 15 year old girl, Snake Eyes is going to have a mouth hole and red lipstick, and Zartan is going to turn into a duck instead of changing colors. Oh yeah, Shaq is goin to play Storm Shadow.

Close enough. One of the guys responsible for the TF movie is working on the GI Joe one. He wants the GI JOE MOVIE to be about ACTION MAN. :BOOM:
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Postby Cybertron Optimus » Sat May 05, 2007 7:32 pm

Everyone should take a chill pill, so Optimus Prime in the movie has lips. Big Deal. I think the movie will be so cool that it doesn't mater one way or another.
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Postby Duo Prime » Sat May 05, 2007 7:59 pm

1337W422102 wrote:
Duo Prime wrote:Oh, i already heard about the G.I. Joe Movie. Mike Bay is directing. Cobra Commander is going to ba a 15 year old girl, Snake Eyes is going to have a mouth hole and red lipstick, and Zartan is going to turn into a duck instead of changing colors. Oh yeah, Shaq is goin to play Storm Shadow.

Close enough. One of the guys responsible for the TF movie is working on the GI Joe one. He wants the GI JOE MOVIE to be about ACTION MAN. :BOOM:


It's 2 different lines, why in the hell would they do that? Oh yeah, The Transformers movie is about Go-Bots!!
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Postby 1337W422102 » Sat May 05, 2007 8:16 pm

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Duo Prime wrote:Oh, i already heard about the G.I. Joe Movie. Mike Bay is directing. Cobra Commander is going to ba a 15 year old girl, Snake Eyes is going to have a mouth hole and red lipstick, and Zartan is going to turn into a duck instead of changing colors. Oh yeah, Shaq is goin to play Storm Shadow.

Close enough. One of the guys responsible for the TF movie is working on the GI Joe one. He wants the GI JOE MOVIE to be about ACTION MAN. :BOOM:


It's 2 different lines, why in the hell would they do that? Oh yeah, The Transformers movie is about Go-Bots!!

Duo, I'm NOT joking. I'm being completely serious. You can look it up for yourself, just have a sickbag handy.
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decepticonjon wrote:i find it interesting that these transforming aliens, have so many humanoid features (mouth, etc)


As they should, though if anything, they should have more human like facial features like the Transformers from the past 23 years have had and stayed more true to their past designs. I don't remember anyone criticizing Han Solo and Luke Skywalker for looking human even though they're aliens themselves.

Han and Luke are Humans of non-terrestrial origin, but they are still humans. :-B


So, they're alien humans, the implications of which give me a headache.

Still, I'll see the movie. Probably not more than once, though. I will, however, give Hasbro credit for translating the bizzarre movie designs into more palatable forms for the toyline.

It's not the breaks from tradition that bother me... It's the way the changes are being handled. We're being told to take these new versions as overwriting the old, inherently superior, rather than complimenting a twenty-three year mythos. Many of those involved in the movie are downright agressive on behalf of their vision, and too many fans are reaccting with overstated hostility... The death threats, in particular, are uncalled for... though I suppose it's worth noting that, despite similar reactions towards Beast Machines, Bob Skir is still alive and well.

What am I trying to say? I dunno. I guess I just felt like I had to get that little ramble off my chest.
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Postby Wingus » Sat May 05, 2007 8:31 pm

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Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".
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Postby Duo Prime » Sat May 05, 2007 8:46 pm

1337W422102 wrote:
Duo Prime wrote:
1337W422102 wrote:
Duo Prime wrote:Oh, i already heard about the G.I. Joe Movie. Mike Bay is directing. Cobra Commander is going to ba a 15 year old girl, Snake Eyes is going to have a mouth hole and red lipstick, and Zartan is going to turn into a duck instead of changing colors. Oh yeah, Shaq is goin to play Storm Shadow.

Close enough. One of the guys responsible for the TF movie is working on the GI Joe one. He wants the GI JOE MOVIE to be about ACTION MAN. :BOOM:


It's 2 different lines, why in the hell would they do that? Oh yeah, The Transformers movie is about Go-Bots!!

Duo, I'm NOT joking. I'm being completely serious. You can look it up for yourself, just have a sickbag handy.


Man.....I just read about it. Pre-Cobra? Buddy film?Whats the point? I can't believe they are going through with that. I guess in bay terms, thats Protoform Duke and Protoform Cobra Commander.....
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Postby Senor Hugo » Sat May 05, 2007 9:14 pm

And thus is the reason I try to steer clear of the movie forum.

"ZOMG Bay haters, I hope you die!"

"ZOMG Bay lovers, how could you love him, I hope you die!"

"ZOMG quit whining"

"ZOMG complaining is teh stupid, whoever wanted more g1 changes to teh film is also stupid"


It's like, when a huge piece of movie news comes out, the forums turn into X-box live, nothing but little kids and insults being slung.

Look, we have the right to complain about the film. YES Optimus Primal had a mouth, but did you know that 90% of the fandom was in an uproar because of it. The only thing that saved the show, was the talented writers behind it. They knew what the fans wanted, they took into account what the fans looked for in a Transformers show, they didn't just discard it and do what they wanted.

Now, to all the Bay lovers, and Bay haters. I respect Bay, as a director you have a shitload of things to worry about. You have so many ideas you want to do, you have so many things to deal with in a film. Being a director isn't just sitting in a chair and pointing and yelling "action." You deal with the actors, you try to convey your ideas onto them, you have to deal with the camera crew, convey your ideas to them, so many people you have to talk to in order to shoot maybe 1 minute of footage that actually makes it into the film.

Now, that being said. Bay's movies aren't great, I've said this so many times before, if Armageddon had any other actors than the ones it had, it would have sucked. Bruce Willis and the rest of the cast made that movie good.

Bay did take a crapload of liberties in this film. "You win some you lose some" in this case, the fandom lost more than some. The only real battle we won, was Peter Cullen.

Now, Prime with the mouth, he looks terrifying, in that photo of him diving at Witwicky or whatever it is he's doing. He looks scary, if I didn't know any better, I wouldn't know who the hell that Transformer was.

Plus, any 3d animator worth his salt, would have done two versions of Prime, it wouldn't require rendering the entire film, just a couple parts. One with the faceplate and one without.

Now, like I said. We have a right to complain. Complaining about us complaining about Prime's mouth, isn't going to help anything. Let us vent.

So, quit bitching about us bitching about the bitching thats being bitched about over the bitching of Prime's mouth.
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Postby Milanion » Sat May 05, 2007 9:21 pm

Mask is on in the DS game. That's all I need at this point.

The mouth/mask is another "oh well" for me.
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Postby the purifyer » Sat May 05, 2007 9:32 pm

Wingus wrote:Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".

Ryan has a name. He's not shy. He doesn't need to hide behind a title. You need to understand that Seibertron is not a news corp, it is a very personal site for fans to come together. Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the...

If you want mindless news feeds you'd need look no further than RSS feed, then you wont have to listen to other's opinions which you seem to be so intolerant of.
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Postby Seibertron » Sat May 05, 2007 9:40 pm

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Were any "death threats" to Nelson posted here on this site? I think it's very sad that someone crosses the line from saying these designs are not to their expectations versus saying someone should "die" for these changes. I hope everyone here on Seibertron.com understands that such comments won't be tolerated regardless of how strongly you feel about your views.

On that note, I want to thank everyone for having such a rational conversation about this latest controversial issue. I'm saddened (bummed? disappointed? not sure which word to use) by all of these unnecessary changes, but it is what it is. I'm very excited about the movie regardless and can't wait to hear the reactions from all of my friends and family. If they're happy with this movie, then I'll be happy with it and will accept that the movie people were right with their decisions. If they don't like it, then I was right.
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Postby ursinemagnus » Sat May 05, 2007 9:45 pm

ok i've had enough, the movie looks cool and all the bot designs look cool. its the only way they will work on screen without it looking like a joke. if the figures had of come out as part of cybertron or something everyone would love them. its so frustrating.
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Postby Seibertron » Sat May 05, 2007 9:47 pm

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the purifyer wrote:
Wingus wrote:Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".

Ryan has a name. He's not shy. He doesn't need to hide behind a title. You need to understand that Seibertron is not a news corp, it is a very personal site for fans to come together. Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the...

If you want mindless news feeds you'd need look no further than RSS feed, then you wont have to listen to other's opinions which you seem to be so intolerant of.


Thanks purifyer. I'm more than happy to put my neck on the line for the fans - especially for the fans that are being told to shut up. No fan should ever be told to shut up because they dislike something. This hobby is too vast, too large, and dominated by way too many different types of people from way too many different types of backgrounds for anyone to be told to shut up for expressing their opinions.

On that note, I'd do the Transformers 101 for Megatron all over again if I could. I shared my opinion(s) that I felt very passionately about with the world because I wanted to stand up for what so many fans were upset about. It got the attention of a lot of high-powered people which is exactly what I wanted to do.

You don't like that I do things like that once in a while, wingus? The solution is simple: just make your own website so that you can share your opinion with the world. I will never let Seibertron.com get to the point where I will not be allowed to speak my mind in whatever way that I feel is appropriate. However, in the words of the fictional character Ben Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility." I try to keep my opinion to a minimum but when I feel strongly enough about something, I will definitely let everyone know where I stand ... and therefore where this website ultimately stands. But I also respect the opinions of other people and will not use this website to preach my thoughts every day. If I was doing that, this website would revolve entirely around my favorite Transformers series, which it most definitely does not do.
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Postby Hotrod » Sat May 05, 2007 9:52 pm

the purifyer wrote:
Wingus wrote:Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".

Ryan has a name. He's not shy. He doesn't need to hide behind a title. You need to understand that Seibertron is not a news corp, it is a very personal site for fans to come together. Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the...

If you want mindless news feeds you'd need look no further than RSS feed, then you wont have to listen to other's opinions which you seem to be so intolerant of.


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Postby Seibertron » Sat May 05, 2007 9:52 pm

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ursinemagnus wrote:ok i've had enough, the movie looks cool and all the bot designs look cool. its the only way they will work on screen without it looking like a joke. if the figures had of come out as part of cybertron or something everyone would love them. its so frustrating.


I remember people saying that superheroes would look stupid wearing "tights" on the big screen. If I recall correctly, Spiderman 1, 2 and 3 all had Peter Parker wearing tigthts and each and everyone of those movies broke records left and right. I don't buy that the robots are what they are because that's the only way to make them not look stupid. Who are you kidding? Yourself? C'mon ... it's Hollywood. It's magical. This is just an excuse, not a reason: "the movie looks cool and all the bot designs look cool. its the only way they will work on screen without it looking like a joke."
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the purifyer wrote:
Wingus wrote:Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".

Ryan has a name. He's not shy. He doesn't need to hide behind a title. You need to understand that Seibertron is not a news corp, it is a very personal site for fans to come together. Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the...

If you want mindless news feeds you'd need look no further than RSS feed, then you wont have to listen to other's opinions which you seem to be so intolerant of.


Thanks purifyer. I'm more than happy to put my neck on the line for the fans - especially for the fans that are being told to shut up. No fan should ever be told to shut up because they dislike something. This hobby is too vast, too large, and dominated by way too many different types of people from way too many different types of backgrounds for anyone to be told to shut up for expressing their opinions.

On that note, I'd do the Transformers 101 for Megatron all over again if I could. I shared my opinion with the world that I felt very passionately about. You don't like it? Make your own website so that you can share your opinion with the world. I will never let Seibertron.com get to the point where I will not be allowed to speak my mind in whatever way that I feel is appropriate. However, in the words of the fictional character Ben Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility." I try to keep my opinion to a minimum but when I feel strongly enough about something, I will definitely let everyone know where I stand ... and therefore where this website ultimately stands.


It's my belief that if you're running a big site like this, that hundreds, if not thousands of TF fans and regular folks visit every day, you should go for neutrality. I'm not intolerant of opinions, I'm intolerant of using a site that people use for news on their hobby as a soapbox to present your views to. I'm all for showing my opinion. I'm doing it right now, here in the forums, where it belongs. Not out on the FRONT PAGE, cluttering up news with heavily one-sided opinions.

I'm just tired of all the complaining. Prime has all the big things down. Red and blue truck. Blue head. Peter-freakin'-Cullen, and yet people wank and soapbox about A MOUTH AND SOME FLAMES.
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Postby Hotrod » Sat May 05, 2007 9:58 pm

Wingus wrote:
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the purifyer wrote:
Wingus wrote:Real mature, whoever the webmaster is that approved that "news post". In the same line as that terrible "Megatron 101" thing a few months back. Get over the designs already. This is a movie to make money, not a "Multi-million Dollar Valentine to the fans".

Ryan has a name. He's not shy. He doesn't need to hide behind a title. You need to understand that Seibertron is not a news corp, it is a very personal site for fans to come together. Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the...

If you want mindless news feeds you'd need look no further than RSS feed, then you wont have to listen to other's opinions which you seem to be so intolerant of.


Thanks purifyer. I'm more than happy to put my neck on the line for the fans - especially for the fans that are being told to shut up. No fan should ever be told to shut up because they dislike something. This hobby is too vast, too large, and dominated by way too many different types of people from way too many different types of backgrounds for anyone to be told to shut up for expressing their opinions.

On that note, I'd do the Transformers 101 for Megatron all over again if I could. I shared my opinion with the world that I felt very passionately about. You don't like it? Make your own website so that you can share your opinion with the world. I will never let Seibertron.com get to the point where I will not be allowed to speak my mind in whatever way that I feel is appropriate. However, in the words of the fictional character Ben Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility." I try to keep my opinion to a minimum but when I feel strongly enough about something, I will definitely let everyone know where I stand ... and therefore where this website ultimately stands.


It's my belief that if you're running a big site like this, that hundreds, if not thousands of TF fans and regular folks visit every day, you should go for neutrality. I'm not intolerant of opinions, I'm intolerant of using a site that people use for news on their hobby as a soapbox to present your views to. I'm all for showing my opinion. I'm doing it right now, here in the forums, where it belongs. Not out on the FRONT PAGE, cluttering up news with heavily one-sided opinions.

I'm just tired of all the complaining. Prime has all the big things down. Red and blue truck. Blue head. Peter-freakin'-Cullen, and yet people wank and soapbox about A MOUTH AND SOME FLAMES.


In case you have not noticed this site is more then a news site. It has been a site about opinion from day 1. News is just one of the many things this site offers. And if you want to say news sites should not give their opinion, then I guess you have never read a newspaper, watched the real news, or been to a news website.
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Postby Seibertron » Sat May 05, 2007 9:58 pm

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the purifyer wrote:Ryan is abit like Nelson... he's not going to just sit there and take it up the ...


Nelson is very passionate about Michael Bay and his productions. Now, if Nelson is paid by Michael Bay to run his website, that might be a little different unless of course Nelson is a true Michael Bay fan who is getting to manage MichaelBay.com and is therefore getting to do what he truly loves.

I respect Nelson. He's got a tough job to fill because he's the guy on the frontlines doing what is necessary to defend Michael Bay's decisions against agressive fans such as us. I don't agree with everything he's said or done on MichaelBay.com, but then again they probably don't agree with everything I've said or done regarding the movie on this website. I respect him. Doesn't mean I have to agree with the decisions in the movie.

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Postby Stormrider » Sat May 05, 2007 10:03 pm

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It was silly to remove Prime's mouthplate. He looks like a mess without it. As someone stated earlier- he looks like a trash compactor. The lips only make it worse.

The designers royally screwed this one up and I think the movie critics are going to laugh when they see the designs.
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Postby Skowl » Sat May 05, 2007 10:04 pm

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No Ark
Flames on Prime
Mouth on Prime
Mute Bumblebee
Cannon-fodder Decepticons designed purely for plot devices
Gorilla Starscream
Monster Megatron
"Sam" Witwicky (please tell me he gets the nickname "Spike")
"Ron" Witwicky (would it have been that hard to have called him "William" like he was called in the comic)
Mikeala (seriously, she couldn't have been blonde and called Carly instead?)
Cybertron destroyed
Jazz shorter than Bumblebee
The lack of humanoid faces
The fact that the Decepticons are designed to look like monsters
Transformers being able to scan whatever they want to transform into.
Their ridiculous weapons:
'Nuff said.


I tend to agree with you on most things Ryan, but some things on that list are just waaay too G1 for me. Like whether Sam is called Spike or whatever (because yeah, Spike is such a common, everyday name) or Jazz being shorter - I don't care for changing little things like that. It's the big things like lips on Prime that get to me...

I don't want a repeat of G1, but I do want the characters to look right. It's too bad that if we lived in an alternate universe in which this movie was handled better, we would be complaining about little things like whether Jazz is shorter or not, not knowing that we could have had the mute Bumblebee, the starfish-looking Starscream, flames and a mouth on Prime and the pointlessly-pointy silver turd of a Megatron that we are, sadly, stuck with in this universe...
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Postby Wingus » Sat May 05, 2007 10:12 pm

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Hotrod wrote:In case you have not noticed this site is more then a news site. It has been a site about opinion from day 1. News is just one of the many things this site offers. And if you want to say news sites should not give their opinion, then I guess you have never read a newspaper, watched the real news, or been to a news website.


Funny. I thought news was about facts.

http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070502.html Chew on that in regards to opionion.
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Postby D-340 » Sat May 05, 2007 10:12 pm

Meh, don't bother me all that much. He's had a mouth on and off since G1, so to me it ain't all that big a deal . Besides an earlier post said it perfect, Archer's been pushin' for a mouth on Prime for years. Now we got one. For those who absolutly hate it, it ain't just Bay, you know Archer's got his hands all over this. Ultimately, it not just the movie guys changing for the sake of change, Hasbro is as well. It's kinda obvious that this the direction Hasbro wanted as well, so we just gotta deal.
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From ToplessRobot.com:• "Watching Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is marginally better than sh***ing your pants, but it takes a lot longer." Very well put.
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