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Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't say it would have ended the series. But if it had to end, it would have been a better ending because had he rebuilt Cybertron he would have righted his wrongs. He has been an antagonistic maniac all this time, and rebuilding their home planet without Optimus's help and then telling him he could come back any time (I'm paraphrasing) would show a definite change of character. With the movie ending that did happen, it's just another "bad guy causes destruction, good guy makes him pay for it" If you can call Optimus a good guy. Seen it a million times. I haven't seen a main bad guy be seriously and fundamentally redeemed in a movie in a long time, probably since Darth Vader in return of the Jedi.
I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't say it would have ended the series. But if it had to end, it would have been a better ending because had he rebuilt Cybertron he would have righted his wrongs. He has been an antagonistic maniac all this time, and rebuilding their home planet without Optimus's help and then telling him he could come back any time (I'm paraphrasing) would show a definite change of character. With the movie ending that did happen, it's just another "bad guy causes destruction, good guy makes him pay for it" If you can call Optimus a good guy. Seen it a million times. I haven't seen a main bad guy be seriously and fundamentally redeemed in a movie in a long time, probably since Darth Vader in return of the Jedi.
Though I at first also liked the novel's ending more, think about now, it just wasn't in character for Megatron. It just came out of the blue "oh well, we've spilled enough oil/blood, lets be BFFs again Prime!" Maybe if the other two movies had given us SOME hint of Megs being more than a maniacal tyrant I could buy the novels ending, but as it standings, it just doesnt fit with what we know about Megatron IMO
I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:Though I at first also liked the novel's ending more, think about now, it just wasn't in character for Megatron. It just came out of the blue "oh well, we've spilled enough oil/blood, lets be BFFs again Prime!" Maybe if the other two movies had given us SOME hint of Megs being more than a maniacal tyrant I could buy the novels ending, but as it standings, it just doesnt fit with what we know about Megatron IMO
Starscream GaGa wrote:I_AM... MEGATRON! wrote:Though I at first also liked the novel's ending more, think about now, it just wasn't in character for Megatron. It just came out of the blue "oh well, we've spilled enough oil/blood, lets be BFFs again Prime!" Maybe if the other two movies had given us SOME hint of Megs being more than a maniacal tyrant I could buy the novels ending, but as it standings, it just doesnt fit with what we know about Megatron IMO
You can't argue that because Megatron still offered a truce with Optimus in the movie too.
Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't say it would have ended the series. But if it had to end, it would have been a better ending because had he rebuilt Cybertron he would have righted his wrongs. He has been an antagonistic maniac all this time, and rebuilding their home planet without Optimus's help and then telling him he could come back any time (I'm paraphrasing) would show a definite change of character. With the movie ending that did happen, it's just another "bad guy causes destruction, good guy makes him pay for it" If you can call Optimus a good guy. Seen it a million times. I haven't seen a main bad guy be seriously and fundamentally redeemed in a movie in a long time, probably since Darth Vader in return of the Jedi.
zenosaurus_x wrote:
It's mostly how it happened, Megatron dying in battle would've made sense...but he asks for a truce and Prime just kills him? Though technically, Prime in the G1 movie would've done the same thing, if it weren't for Hot Rod....
jjtb9 wrote:Sorry for pointing this out, but Carly DOES refer to Megatron and "Sentinel's b*itch".
Screamfleet wrote:Yea, which was stupid, why does megatron care what a human thinks, and why didn't he just kill her?
Counterpunch wrote:FP sure does provide some F'd up head.
Starscream GaGa wrote:Screamfleet wrote:Yea, which was stupid, why does megatron care what a human thinks, and why didn't he just kill her?
I think it was more the realization that he was getting the short-end of the stick than caring what she thought.
Screamfleet wrote:So, he needs a human to point things out to him? It was really sour and stupid.
ShinkenPrime wrote:I don't see Prime as being out of character. If anything...this is Prime pushed to his breaking point. Prime in these movies is a character who has seen friends die in a pointless war. Seen his planet die. He has watched his brother destroy everything he cared about. And then he arrived on earth. He has a chance to start over. Friends, allies. And that same person who ruined his old home wants to ruin this one. Prime will not be making the same mistakes. He won't hesitate. He wont' back down. Prime has gotten more and more vicious as these movies continue. And that's in direct response to the Decepticon's own viciousness.
I know the classic G1 Prime was never this brutal. But honestly...he didn't fight as much as this one. That Prime had the bonus of essentially being in a coma for eons and then waking up one day with no wear and tear. Movie Prime has fought all this time. He's seen horrors and terrors. He's seen his planet destroyed. Each movie,Prime makes it a point to say he is home. That they will protect the planet.
Which is why he wouldn't take the truce of a bot who tried to kill someone to essentially prove a point.
Your sorta missing the point... its not that it isn't possible for optimus to do what he does, but HOW its portrayed. After the truce offering, lets have some more dialogue, lets have prime and megatron clash philosophies just a little, so that prime can say "So you can come back to kill us all over again? No, your coming with me to be tried as a prisoner of cybertron, dead or alive!"
THEN have megatron lose it, fight, and prime win after a solid battle one on one...
MINDVVIPE wrote:zenosaurus_x wrote:
It's mostly how it happened, Megatron dying in battle would've made sense...but he asks for a truce and Prime just kills him? Though technically, Prime in the G1 movie would've done the same thing, if it weren't for Hot Rod....
Uh, you really don't know that for sure, and its not really comparable from what i've read since in the toon movie, you SEE megatron eyeing the gun under the debris.... soooo
As for the whole Prime being out of character thing... Yea, I'd say it definitely seems non fitting, especially due to events in the movie preceeding this. its not the nature of Optimus to kill WITHOUT hesitation.. there needs to be a moment of hesitation, atleast, and backed up by a reminder that Megatron really does deserves to die. Its called 'good story telling', regardless of real life facts.
The fact that there are so many people who don't find this end fitting is proof that it is a bad execution as a movie in this scene. Just seems like another way to make Prime seem more appealing to kids and sell more merchandise, etc etc etc. marketing etc.![]()
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Seibertron wrote:
There were no words like "pussy" or "bitch" in this movie, which made me feel a little squeamish in ROTF. Either Wheelie or Brains says "dickhead" if I recall correctly, but it seemed rather appropriate.
ShinkenPrime wrote:Your sorta missing the point... its not that it isn't possible for optimus to do what he does, but HOW its portrayed. After the truce offering, lets have some more dialogue, lets have prime and megatron clash philosophies just a little, so that prime can say "So you can come back to kill us all over again? No, your coming with me to be tried as a prisoner of cybertron, dead or alive!"
THEN have megatron lose it, fight, and prime win after a solid battle one on one...
I got your point. That you feel it needed more explanation. But honestly...I don't think it did. I think Prime said it quite well. Megatron said "What would you be with me?" and Prime picks up the axe and says "Time to find out." That one line says everything. Prime will no longer be defined by this war. By his relationship with Megatron. By his fear that Megatron will come back. Rather then have a huge discussion or dragged out cliche speech, he just makes a line and makes the kill. At this point...their philosophies have been explained well enough. Megatron will do whatever it takes to bring Cybertron back. Prime will do whatever it takes to protect earth, their new home. There really isn't anything more that needs to be said on that front.
Megatron's truce in the movie just seemed like a typical "I killed him, so let's just keep the status quo" truce. And Prime basically said no. The book actually made a point to show that Megs meant it.
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