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ninjascythe79 wrote:I wish people would quit complaining that they killed so many main characters. the main robots in this movie were optimus(who died in the second movie)megatron(1st movie)and sentinel who was dead at the begining of the 3rd movie.
What oh megatron lost his head since when do robots need those.optimus lost his arm but he didn't bleed to death though it's a nasty injury i bet he could get it back why can't starscream and megatron get their heads back. heck they could make the new ones look like g1. hey even better put megatrons head on shockwaves body and "Behold galvatron"!!!
I didn't see any sparks extinguished except mabe Sentinel Prime.guess that means he's done right?Oh wait that happened to optimus in ROTF.
I say unicron sends some decepticons to get the matrix and he uses it to revive everybody heck bring back the Fallen,Soundwave, BrAwl, Jazz, ironhide, laserbeak, grindor and osama bin laden( just kiddin about that last one).Really whats the worst that could happen? The franchise becomes ridiculous? It already has.
Who needs a reboot? This isn't star trek or batman.Why not take all the insanity and find a way to make some consistency for this and all the previous transformers generations this could be it they just need to come up with some crazy event like in comicbooks.Then it could all be at least somewhat constistent were all continuities were relevant. This is my dream for Transformers.
But whatever they'll probably reboot it and make a bunch of new toys and nobody will care. and the next will be as silly as the last and still be amazing too right? It's not like the vast majority of the fans won't outgrow transformers anyways and a new generation of kids will fall in love with the rebooted franchise. i mean the formula is proven and tested. only the adult fans will care about the inconsistencies.But are vastly outnumbered by the kids.
DoubleOScorpio wrote:I haven't posted in a while, but I've been lurking all the time. Saw DOTM yesterday and wanted to wait until the post-movie glow faded before I commented.
Regarding the final scene, I must have totally misinterpreted and misheard what was going on. After disabling Sentinel, I thought Megs said to both Primes "All I ever wanted was to be back in command." I took this to be an explanation to Sentinel as to why he just got shot in the back. Based on that comment, it seemed clear that he was still the same old power-hungry Megs who would never accept anyone else ahead of him in the food chain. It appeared to me that Megs was approaching Prime to fight, not to surrender. I never heard the "truce" comment, but obviously I missed it because so many others did hear it. Without the "truce" comment, I felt that Optimus was justified in his attack and that Megs was taken offguard because he never expected Optimus to attack without being physically provoked.
I'm obviously projecting my view of what was going on in Optimus' head as well as 27 years of knowing these characters and expecting their next move. In various series/stories/fan discussions he has been accused of not being able to make the death blow against the Cons. He's even been accused of being part of the reason for why the war has lasted so long and why the Bots were never to overcome the Cons. Sentinel makes comments to this effect earlier in the film, saying that Optimus was the bravest of the Bots but could never make the tough decisions. I think that this comment, combined with the lost of a close friend and the threat of losing yet another place called "home" finally pushed Optimus to make decisions differently. Like others have said, I think that this could have been explained by having Optimus and Sentinel talk after Optimus kills Megs but before he slags Sentinel. Something like this would have worked:
<Prime kills Megs>
Sentinel (offscreen): "Well done Optimus! You have finally learned to make the tough decisions."
Optimus: "There is a difference between making a tough decision and making the wrong decision. I came to accept long ago that Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost. Too much would have been left at risk had Megatron and the Decepticons been given a chance to rise again. For the sake of the remaining Cybertronians and for those on this planet, I had to extinguish his spark."
Sentinel: Again, your actions come from your need to protect these humans. <voice rising in anger> You would kill your own to protect these insects??? <shouting> You would doom your own race to extinction to save a race of savages???
Optimus: Members of this race have saved me from death. When I was killed in battle by Megatron, the risked their lives to restore my spark. I owe them more than you can possibly imagine. You taught me that freedom was the right of all sentient beings. You have betrayed the very virtues that you instilled in me. You destroyed one of your oldest and most loyal soldiers in cold blood and were willing to kill us all for your twisted desires. This planet does not have the technology to incarcerate you. You leave me with no choice. You must be taken offline.
I think something like this would've made a true-to-character ending of the film for Optimus. What do you think?
SlyTF1 wrote:I just got back from seeing the movie again, and I loved it even more the second time! I noticed a lot more things like the same subtle symbolism that was used in ROTF.
Megatron blowing up Lincoln: Lincoln stood for freedom, but Megatron wants to enslave humanity.
D-340 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I just got back from seeing the movie again, and I loved it even more the second time! I noticed a lot more things like the same subtle symbolism that was used in ROTF.
Megatron blowing up Lincoln: Lincoln stood for freedom, but Megatron wants to enslave humanity.
Actually, that was more a reference to the G1 episode Atlantis, Arise.
Chaoslock wrote:D-340 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:I just got back from seeing the movie again, and I loved it even more the second time! I noticed a lot more things like the same subtle symbolism that was used in ROTF.
Megatron blowing up Lincoln: Lincoln stood for freedom, but Megatron wants to enslave humanity.
Actually, that was more a reference to the G1 episode Atlantis, Arise.
Nah, he was just getting old, wanted to rest a little, and the only seat in his size was occupied by a statue.
Also, I think it was a nod to the first movie-games' decepticon ending:
Gemini220 wrote:
I totally enjoyed the ride!! The theater I went to was sold out, crowd enjoyed the movie and applauded at the end!
D-340 wrote:Gemini220 wrote:
I totally enjoyed the ride!! The theater I went to was sold out, crowd enjoyed the movie and applauded at the end!
It's weird, everyone keeps sayin' everyone applauded at the end, no one in my theater did, just left. And that was opening night. Not tryin' to be a hater(love how that is gettin' thrown around, god forbid people don't gush at everything Bay and crew shoves down our throats), just stating an observation.
Chaoslock wrote:Also, I think it was a nod to the first movie-games' decepticon ending:
SlyTF1 wrote:Evil_the_Nub wrote:I saw it today and I enjoyed it, but I wasn't wowed like I was with the other two. I think it's my fault though, I was watching it for the action scenes which weren't what I was expecting. There weren't any big brawls like the forest battle in RotF, it was a lot of smaller action scenes that went by really fast. In fact that's really my only complaint, so much happened so fast that I didn't get a chance to retain all of it. On the plus side though that will make repeat viewing more enjoyable.
I thought the same thing when I first watched DOTM. I thought to myself "I thought this going to mes going to be more exciting than this. Then I let the movie sit. And the more I thought about it the more I loved it. Then I saw it a second time and got the same feeling I expected to get the first time I saw it.
Lord Onixprime wrote:I should clarify that I'm not saying the film sucked, I've just never watched a movie, no matter how good and thought 'Man, I should applaud this.' So I more don't understand the entire act. Just has never crossed my mind.
D-340 wrote:Lord Onixprime wrote:I should clarify that I'm not saying the film sucked, I've just never watched a movie, no matter how good and thought 'Man, I should applaud this.' So I more don't understand the entire act. Just has never crossed my mind.
Same here. It's not like goin' to a concert or something. I've never clapped after a movie.
Overcracker wrote:Finally watched this yesterday evening, and I have to say I'm of mixed feelings of this movie. While yes the action sequences, and the robot fighting is awesome, the destruction is in awe inspiring grand scale, and the robots are very cool, that's all I can find to like about this movie.
Their plot is almost non existent, the flow of the movie gets abruptly stopped in several places by the god awful comedic scenes with the parents and the office. Which most of the time aren't that funny. And the sad under developed characters, you hardly get to know any of the transformers. Also editing is very very badly done. That scene with Sentinel mashing the Nest compound and then suddenly driving off in truck mode is baffling to say the least.
Also what was up with John Malkovich's Character, I mean he can deliver so much more than that. He would have been better as Archeville. And Dr. McDreamy seriously not believable as the bad guy, I'm sorry. Though He does work as the guy to steal the hot girlfriend away from Shia.
By the way I did think Ironhide's death scene at the mercy of the Cosmic Rust from Sentinels weapon was awesome, and very much not appropriate for children.
Anyway the movie left me wanting more characterization for many of the transformers mainly Soundwave and Shockwave. Why is Leadfoot a fat plumber stereotype. with the visible butt-crack, seriously is that supposed to be funny?
And can someone explain why Megatron suddenly goes into Robot depression, and just sits out the final battle until Rosie manages to reverse Psychology him into attacking Sentinel. That was really really strange to me, as up to that point he had been the master behind the entire Sentinel deal. And since when is Megs concerned about his planet, he just wants to conquer all, not save his planet.
Anyway, I don't think its a good movie, just a summer popcorn flick. But sadly I found you need a lot of TF knowledge before hand to get more than half of the movie.
Iamwarhorse wrote:mongrel wrote:Its a damn shame Bay killed off so many key characters ensuring no one else COULD take over the helm using the current crop of bot designs. Now it would have to be a complete reboot, which no one would do for years.
Oh well, at least there'll be more toys.
Actually, I always thought, if I won a massive lotto jackpot and offered to use it to pay to make my own Transformers movie, I would just have the last 3 movies be a dream Optimus had. U can still use the designs, but drastically change the story.
Stargazer1970 wrote:
And u think that Ironhide's death scene was awesome? i gathre he's not ur favourite character.. if not appropiate for children, i wont like it at all... as Ironhide IS my favourite character... I know in the book he dies from Sentinel's cannon that shoots that Cosmic Rust and dissolves Ironhide.![]()
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That scene may stick w/me for a long time... probably have nightmares from it. hmph!
vectorA3 wrote:used up the last ammo on IH
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