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Personally I think All the money spent on GI Joe should have been used for..... Hell, Bloodrayne 3 rather than this.

I'd like to add one thing to what I had to say about G.I. Joe.
While it was visually impressive (stunts and cgi on the accelerators), the CGI in general, especially the Eiffel Tower...terrible.

Good ol' fashioned, trademark Stephen Sommers trash. That kind of hokey CGI worked in The Mummy and Deep Rising, back before CGI really had any massive impact on films. It doesn't work here. When you have a "cloud" of green stuff eating and destroying things, and you compare it to robots that are as real and alive as possible...and the work was done by the same firm (Industrial Light & Magic)...there's no excuse for it to look as bad as it did.

For the CGI, it looks like they spent the budget on the accelerator suits, and used whatever left over pocketchange there was, for the rest.

No... you know what? No. That'd be a slight to ILM and the producers. This is all Sommers doing. To him, that level of CGI is "the ****". To us, it's just ****.

I truly believe he sees the finished product as is and thinks "Wow. Look at that!" Like a student filmmaker who had to put everything together on a shoestring budget, and it's an awful piece, but they're proud of it anyway, and never really grow and mature into more advanced work because you can't tell them jack otherwise.

That's Stephen Sommers and his use of CGI in a nutshell.

Say what you want about Bay, but at least he (and many other film makers) said "Eh...could you tighten that up a bit? Clean it up here and there? Ah. There you go, looks real doesn't it? Tag it and bag it, we're done."

As for the rest of the movie, however, Sommers performed his duties admirably.

Did I read that correctly earlier about Roddy Piper being in the G.I. Joe Universe? I think GIJ is cool stuff, but Roddy Piper is just about as cheesy as it gets. I vaguely remember his figure I think, but wow, that is some serious cheese. Not trying to offend, but franchises that are cool need to avoid "pro" wrestling.....whether it be back then or nowadays. Damn.

For all of ROTF's flaws, it was much more enjoyable than GI Joe. The parts of ROTF I liked, I really liked and literally watched countless times in the theater and elsewhere thanks to the good ole internet. There was nothing in GI Joe that even remotely makes me want to watch it again.

Overall, the action in Joe was clumsy, especially the accelerator suit sequence. Two bumbling idiots crashing through Paris in cumbersome space suits with poorly executed CG was underwhelming. The special effects weren't that special. There was definitely a cartoonish feel to everything while ROTF was at the edge of CG technology despite the flawed designs. The collapsing of the Eiffel Tower belonged in a SyFy channel movie.

The plot was too simplistic. Everything revolved around nanomites that could do damn near anything; make you a super soldier, destroy public property, change your head into an misshapen ball of metal or make you a mindless zombie.

Cobra commander's backstory was lame. An ex soldier turned into a disfigured evil scientist. They could have done so much better and his voice and mask at the end were not fitting in the least. The voice was more suited for Destro, not by much, and the mask...well I don't know what to make of the mask. Some have compared it to Vader's. Vader looked ominous. Cobra Commander looked silly.

The attempt at humor failed at every occasion. People laughed throughout ROTF but the laughs during Joe were by a few fans that would probably still find eating paste fun.

I will say this. Scarlett and Baroness both put Megan Fox to shame.

The actor that played Duke was static. He should stick to teenie bopper dance flicks. Maybe if there is a crossover with TF he and Megan Fox can hook up and spawn legions of talentless actors and actresses.

The Forest Fight, all two minutes and 30 seconds was more captivating than GI Joe in its entirety. ROTF will be bought on Bluray. GI Joe will be lucky to get an illegal download on some shady bootlegging site.

Prime Riblet wrote:Did I read that correctly earlier about Roddy Piper being in the G.I. Joe Universe? I think GIJ is cool stuff, but Roddy Piper is just about as cheesy as it gets. I vaguely remember his figure I think, but wow, that is some serious cheese. Not trying to offend, but franchises that are cool need to avoid "pro" wrestling.....whether it be back then or nowadays. Damn.

Holy crap, he's not kidding!
http://www.yojoe.com/action/07/rowdyroddypiper.shtml

Learn something new every day. And it's not from the 80's either, that I could see, but it came out in 2007. To be fair, though it was a convention exclusive, and we know those can get weird.

@Autobot032
Gotta agree on that point, the CGI was weak. I actually thought the Eiffel tower was OK, but a lot of the rest of it was just bad. The truck bumper thing stood out as especially bad.

Superior Prime09 wrote:I'm both a Transformer and G.I. Joe fan, so.... yeah.. both will be good. And whatever that "professional Critics" moviesite name is... they're idiots and should be taken out to a remote location and be shot at. Professional Critics can go F****! themselves. And also those who say they're joe fans and go see the movie, afterwards say that it sucks and give their BS reasons, aren't joe fans at all and should also be taken to a remote location and be shot.


Because only REAL FANS love every aspect of a corporate franchise.


You saying that you always go by the professional critics judgement, because if that's what your saying... your brainwashed into their **** idioticy!


Oh and if your also saying that TF Animated is good, then your brainwashed into that S***!!! and that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.

Editor wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
You're right but the ranking officers of Cobra were all European (Destro, Baroness, Tomax, Xamot, Maj. Bludd?) right?

If you are going by traditional RAH Backgrounds

Destro - Scotland
Baroness - Unknown/Classified
Crimson Twins - Mediterranean Most likely Corsica, France
Major Sebastian Bludd - Sydney, Australia

so you are 4 for 5.

That said:
Cobra Commander - Classified/American
Storm Shadow - San Francisco
Copperhead - Florida
Firefly - South-east Asia
Blackout - American
Roddy Piper - Saskatoon, Canada
Chacal Noir - Quebec, Canada
Ripper - Tasmania, Australia
Torch - Botany Bay, Australia
Scrap-Iron - Providence, RI

So a number of high ranking and other personalities are from North America, Asia and Down Under. For Europe you could also add Buzzer from England. Wild Weasel from where he first gained notice is quite possible to be from South American or African.

Barrones is from France. She was an anti war protester who got bored. Rich too. All those other guys were hired add ons. The brain trust of Cobra is and always will be; CC, Destro, and Baroness.

Just returned from the drive-in, a double feature of G.I. Joe and TransFormers.

Lemme tell you, it was AWESOME overload. This was the summer movie experience I was waiting for, and it paid off.

Hot dang that was fun. Back to back awesome? Yes please!

And I have to say that G.I. Joe, like ROTF, gets better with repeat viewings. This is now the second time I've seen it, and it was just a slam bang, good old fashioned, fun time.

I think that's why the critics are failing these movies, because they're fun. They make you feel like a kid again, and most of these critics are past the point in their lives when being a kid isn't important anymore.

Sure, they're silly, somewhat stupid, and just overall goofy, but they're feel good movies where the hero beats the villain, the underdog gets the woman of his dreams, and you're given copious amounts of eye candy to go with it.

Now how on Earth can you not find something to like about that prospect? Even just a little.

This summer has been great for fun blockbusters, probably one of the best I've ever had the chance to be a part of, and I'm thankful.

Star Trek? Excellent. (Best one yet, AFTER TWOK)
Revenge Of The Fallen? Excellent. (Better than the first. By far.)
The Rise Of Cobra? Excellent. (A little empty and lackluster in spots, but overall...satisfying and then some.)

Our childhoods have been revisited, our toy shelves are full of old fashioned Saturday Morning goodness, and we have fun movies to experience.

We're getting a second chance to be 8, 9, 10 years old again, and it's long overdue. So thank you Mr. Abrams, Mr. Bay, and Mr. Sommers. You've given us a terrific summer, and it was well worth the wait.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Barrones is from France. She was an anti war protester who got bored. Rich too. All those other guys were hired add ons. The brain trust of Cobra is and always will be; CC, Destro, and Baroness.

Sorry CD, but where do you gather that intel? Neither the cartoon (which gave her a Russian accent) or original comics (except for the British Action Force stories where she's Anna von Stromberg, and Austrian) ever state where she is born or exactly where the Cisarovna or DeCobray Family (depending on which name you follow) is from. We only really know that during the Tet Offensive, she visited her brother and was present when he was murdered, at that time she mistakenly believed that Snake-Eyes had murdered her brother. (Snake-Eyes arrived after the fact and did kill the murderers.) It was the believe her brother was killed by an American soldier that poisoned her against the US, and led her to a number of groups before joining COBRA, and around the same time beginning her relationship with Destro.

As for the original intent of the previous question, regardless of her and Destro's background, when it comes to leadership of the Greater COBRA organization, it really comes down to two individuals. Cobra Commander, who despite our knowing his exact background, we do know is American and thus why he set-up the COBRA base of operations in Springfield. And Serpentor, who let's face it is a genetic stew of multi-national warlords cloned into a single being, and thus can't truly be pinned down with a nationality.

Editor wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Barrones is from France. She was an anti war protester who got bored. Rich too. All those other guys were hired add ons. The brain trust of Cobra is and always will be; CC, Destro, and Baroness.

Sorry CD, but where do you gather that intel? Neither the cartoon (which gave her a Russian accent) or original comics (except for the British Action Force stories where she's Anna von Stromberg, and Austrian) ever state where she is born or exactly where the Cisarovna or DeCobray Family (depending on which name you follow) is from. We only really know that during the Tet Offensive, she visited her brother and was present when he was murdered, at that time she mistakenly believed that Snake-Eyes had murdered her brother. (Snake-Eyes arrived after the fact and did kill the murderers.) It was the believe her brother was killed by an American soldier that poisoned her against the US, and led her to a number of groups before joining COBRA, and around the same time beginning her relationship with Destro.

As for the original intent of the previous question, regardless of her and Destro's background, when it comes to leadership of the Greater COBRA organization, it really comes down to two individuals. Cobra Commander, who despite our knowing his exact background, we do know is American and thus why he set-up the COBRA base of operations in Springfield. And Serpentor, who let's face it is a genetic stew of multinational warlords cloned into a single being, and thus can't truly be pinned down with a nationality.

On yojoe.com they link t another web site that gives you an extended, what I believe to be comic, origin. Her real name is Anastasia De Cobray and was born of French aristocrats. Now that you mention it her voice did sound Russian on the toon. Never really paid attention. As for CC I have now and always will believe him to be a mutant. Speaking of the toon, I always thought Scrap Iron had a bit of a Welsh accent.

Now here's a thought. During the hype for TF 1 I remember reading a commentator who made this statement; "… although the comic lasted a few years longer it was the cartoon that captured the hearts and minds of the audience." interestingly enough we got, especially with TF2 a more comic driven movie. On the flip side with GI Joe the comic was by and large considered the cannon source material yet we're getting a toon movie. I honestly believe one of the writers had to have been watching sigma 6 to come up with some of those out fits.

I believe you are referring to this link.

Again "born somewhere in Europe in 1953 to wealthy aristocrats who spoiled her." does not state French.

As for the writers likely looking at Sigma6 while working on the movie, I agree completely. I'm sure the whole rational of the Delta Suits is linked directly to the Sigma ones.

rpetras wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:Did I read that correctly earlier about Roddy Piper being in the G.I. Joe Universe? I think GIJ is cool stuff, but Roddy Piper is just about as cheesy as it gets. I vaguely remember his figure I think, but wow, that is some serious cheese. Not trying to offend, but franchises that are cool need to avoid "pro" wrestling.....whether it be back then or nowadays. Damn.

Holy crap, he's not kidding!
http://www.yojoe.com/action/07/rowdyroddypiper.shtml

Learn something new every day. And it's not from the 80's either, that I could see, but it came out in 2007. To be fair, though it was a convention exclusive, and we know those can get weird.

@Autobot032
Gotta agree on that point, the CGI was weak. I actually thought the Eiffel tower was OK, but a lot of the rest of it was just bad. The truck bumper thing stood out as especially bad.

Speaking as someone who is also a G.I. Joe fan, I actually loved this idea. It was popular, too, the toy sold out very quickly.

The backstory is good, Cobra looks for someone who they think can help train their troops as well as Sgt. Slaughter is training the Joes.

Autobot032 wrote:I'd like to add one thing to what I had to say about G.I. Joe.
While it was visually impressive (stunts and cgi on the accelerators), the CGI in general, especially the Eiffel Tower...terrible.

Good ol' fashioned, trademark Stephen Sommers trash. That kind of hokey CGI worked in The Mummy and Deep Rising, back before CGI really had any massive impact on films. It doesn't work here. When you have a "cloud" of green stuff eating and destroying things, and you compare it to robots that are as real and alive as possible...and the work was done by the same firm (Industrial Light & Magic)...there's no excuse for it to look as bad as it did.

For the CGI, it looks like they spent the budget on the accelerator suits, and used whatever left over pocketchange there was, for the rest.

No... you know what? No. That'd be a slight to ILM and the producers. This is all Sommers doing. To him, that level of CGI is "the ****". To us, it's just ****.

I truly believe he sees the finished product as is and thinks "Wow. Look at that!" Like a student filmmaker who had to put everything together on a shoestring budget, and it's an awful piece, but they're proud of it anyway, and never really grow and mature into more advanced work because you can't tell them jack otherwise.

That's Stephen Sommers and his use of CGI in a nutshell.

Say what you want about Bay, but at least he (and many other film makers) said "Eh...could you tighten that up a bit? Clean it up here and there? Ah. There you go, looks real doesn't it? Tag it and bag it, we're done."

As for the rest of the movie, however, Sommers performed his duties admirably.

yup, tons of crappy cg, but a decent movie.... unlike other movies today, which have good cg, but are still crappy movies (a la star wars prequels, spiderman 3, etc.)....

.... but the apache helicopters in the beginning of gi joes was just bad news.... and a ton of other stuff looked terrible

Prime Riblet wrote:Did I read that correctly earlier about Roddy Piper being in the G.I. Joe Universe? I think GIJ is cool stuff, but Roddy Piper is just about as cheesy as it gets. I vaguely remember his figure I think, but wow, that is some serious cheese. Not trying to offend, but franchises that are cool need to avoid "pro" wrestling.....whether it be back then or nowadays. Damn.

Obviously, you seemed to have missed the '80s GI Joe with... Sgt Slaughter (who could smash through brick walls and like his commercial jingle could "Take on a hundred Cobras and send them on the run" and who wore his Drill Sergeant's hat to battle) The same Sgt Slaughter who once fought Hulk Hogan in Wrestlemania.

What's worse than this? In 1985, one of the new Joes was William "The Refrigerator" Perry, of Chicago Bears fame. He even had his own custom weapon; a flail with a football on the business end.

How's That for cheese?

Editor wrote:I believe you are referring to this link.

Again "born somewhere in Europe in 1953 to wealthy aristocrats who spoiled her." does not state French.

As for the writers likely looking at Sigma6 while working on the movie, I agree completely. I'm sure the whole rational of the Delta Suits is linked directly to the Sigma ones.

Oh yeah. How about that. I guess I just assumed that only France could create spoiled aristocrats. Oh well sorry.

was that a small tf nod
when that guy said that guys name was "dostron",
or did he say destro?

pr0wl wrote:was that a small tf nod
when that guy said that guys name was "dostron",
or did he say destro?

No, i believe your correct that they called him Dostron or somthing to that nature. He was later explained by Cullen that they called him "Destro" because he brought distruction to all nations. (again, or somthing to that matter).

Irv Gotti wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:Did I read that correctly earlier about Roddy Piper being in the G.I. Joe Universe? I think GIJ is cool stuff, but Roddy Piper is just about as cheesy as it gets. I vaguely remember his figure I think, but wow, that is some serious cheese. Not trying to offend, but franchises that are cool need to avoid "pro" wrestling.....whether it be back then or nowadays. Damn.

Obviously, you seemed to have missed the '80s GI Joe with... Sgt Slaughter (who could smash through brick walls and like his commercial jingle could "Take on a hundred Cobras and send them on the run" and who wore his Drill Sergeant's hat to battle) The same Sgt Slaughter who once fought Hulk Hogan in Wrestlemania.

What's worse than this? In 1985, one of the new Joes was William "The Refrigerator" Perry, of Chicago Bears fame. He even had his own custom weapon; a flail with a football on the business end.

How's That for cheese?

I actually remember......I certainly didn't miss it. I really think my mind was trying to protect itself by burying all those terrible childhood memories. The moment I clicked on that above link of Roddy Piper's action figure, everything else came flooding back. Sgt. Slaughter......The Fridge.........my god. I remember it all, and now I wish I never saw this thread.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Oh yeah. How about that. I guess I just assumed that only France could create spoiled aristocrats. Oh well sorry.

No worries, It was a good exercise looking to see if there had been another bio I hadn't seen.

Superior Prime09 wrote:Superior Prime09 wrote:I'm both a Transformer and G.I. Joe fan, so.... yeah.. both will be good. And whatever that "professional Critics" moviesite name is... they're idiots and should be taken out to a remote location and be shot at. Professional Critics can go F****! themselves. And also those who say they're joe fans and go see the movie, afterwards say that it sucks and give their BS reasons, aren't joe fans at all and should also be taken to a remote location and be shot.


Because only REAL FANS love every aspect of a corporate franchise.


You saying that you always go by the professional critics judgement, because if that's what your saying... your brainwashed into their **** idioticy!

Why bother replying if you're just going to assume stuff and bash the keyboard instead of typing?

My first reply was in regards to your "real fans" statement. I said NOTHING about critics. Saying that if someone doesn't like something equates to their need of being "taken to a remote location and be shot", just smacks of "idioticy."

Superior Prime09 wrote:Superior Prime09 wrote:Oh and if your also saying that TF Animated is good, then your brainwashed into that S***!!! and that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.

Once again, not what I said. I could care less about Animated, as I'm not a part of it's target audience. I was merely pointing out the IRONY of your statement that fans aren't fans unless they love every possible aspect of a corporate franchise, coupled with your sig.

Prime Riblet wrote:I remember it all, and now I wish I never saw this thread.

COBRA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!

Superior Prime09 wrote:Superior Prime09 wrote:I'm both a Transformer and G.I. Joe fan, so.... yeah.. both will be good. And whatever that "professional Critics" moviesite name is... they're idiots and should be taken out to a remote location and be shot at. Professional Critics can go F****! themselves. And also those who say they're joe fans and go see the movie, afterwards say that it sucks and give their BS reasons, aren't joe fans at all and should also be taken to a remote location and be shot.


Because only REAL FANS love every aspect of a corporate franchise.


You saying that you always go by the professional critics judgement, because if that's what your saying... your brainwashed into their **** idioticy!


Oh and if your also saying that TF Animated is good, then your brainwashed into that S***!!! and that I'm right and everybody else is wrong.

err.... you just contradicted yourself in the same post

FAIL.

I just saw gi joe lastnight , i wanted to walk out atleast 6 times, the cgi felt like i was watching spy kids or some 90;s movie, only decent part was the paris scene but it was just rediculous cars flying every where every.5 seconds idk the movie blewwwwwwww

Sorry was in a bad mood.


And yes unfortunately I did condridict myself.

Superior Prime09 wrote:Sorry was in a bad mood.


And yes unfortunately I did condridict myself.

its all good.

.... and yes, i too dislike TF animated as well