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sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

We must be looking at two different pictures, cuz I think he looks better than either of those. Still, this is early, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until we get better visuals.

He looks too cartoony to me. Mind you, I HATE G1 cartoon designs/accuracy almost universally. But he just doesn't look that good, especially looking at the very good Siege one

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

We must be looking at two different pictures, cuz I think he looks better than either of those. Still, this is early, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until we get better visuals.

He looks too cartoony to me. Mind you, I HATE G1 cartoon designs/accuracy almost universally. But he just doesn't look that good, especially looking at the very good Siege one

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I half agree. I've noticed after tracing toys in adobe illustrator that the toy designs are actually a lot cooler than the cartoon designs.

Sowndwave76 wrote:From what I can see, I’m calling it that the feet are the top-rear section of the van. There is just enough of a diagonal from the top of the feet towards the “toes”, plus under the “toes” are hinges;
I’m betting the panels under the bot feet unfold to become the back of the van.
Just looked at a couple photos, & the back of the van of the original toy and the animation model show the back being completely flat.
All this to say it looks like the foot issue of the previous versions have been resolved.
Another reason I may get this version is because there’s not nearly as much greebling!!

This is exactly what I see. The panel folding under the foot is reminiscent of JP93. And to go back to your previous point about the clear windows I think that panel under the foot may also be painted clear plastic like JP93 giving him clear windows on the back. We know the side windows are clear because the panels that make them on the legs are also painted clear blue. Even if the foot panel isn't clear blue (thinking more about it it probably isn't), the bulk of the windows will be just like the original figure.

That said, I'm on team painted windows, I don't feel any need to see a bunch random robot parts inside an otherwise normal looking vehicle.

He doesn't look like a Voyager to me, but he'll probably come with his "sled" and a bunch of weapons to pad the price.

Should also point out that this isn't a great representation of the figure as it's most definitely edited out some stuff in an attempt to remove the background.

Emerje

Fans still seem confused by this case of two different van molds appearing in the Studio Series 86 line at the same time. While the Studio Series 86 line will have both Ratchet AND Ironhide this year, they are not the same class, and are entirely different molds. Ratchet comes out in wave 3 of 2022's core class while Ironhide comes out in the final wave of 2022's voyagers.
Neither are exclusives, they are both mainline toys in different classes. This means that we will eventually get a CORE class Ironhide and a VOYAGER class Ratchet at a later date based on these molds, to suit whatever kind of collection and scale you want. We don't know if those will be exclusives or not.

Some fans were not entirely sure of the scale of voyager Ironhide so we have another image for you below. It comes from Prime vs Prime who has the toy and will be making a review of him shortly.

william-james88 wrote:Fans still seem confused by this case of two different van molds appearing in the Studio Series 86 line at the same time. While the Studio Series 86 line will have both Ratchet AND Ironhide this year, they are not the same class, and are entirely different molds. Ratchet comes out in wave 3 of 2022's core class while Ironhide comes out in the final wave of 2022's voyagers.
Neither are exclusives, they are both mainline toys in different classes. This means that we will eventually get a CORE class Ironhide and a VOYAGER class Ratchet at a later date based on these molds, to suit whatever kind of collection and scale you want. We don't know if those will be exclusives or not.

Some fans were not entirely sure of the scale of voyager Ironhide so we have another image for you below. It comes from Prime vs Prime who has the toy and will be making a review of him shortly.

Of course it's from prime vs prime!

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:From what I can see, I’m calling it that the feet are the top-rear section of the van. There is just enough of a diagonal from the top of the feet towards the “toes”, plus under the “toes” are hinges;
I’m betting the panels under the bot feet unfold to become the back of the van.
Just looked at a couple photos, & the back of the van of the original toy and the animation model show the back being completely flat.
All this to say it looks like the foot issue of the previous versions have been resolved.
Another reason I may get this version is because there’s not nearly as much greebling!!

This is exactly what I see. The panel folding under the foot is reminiscent of JP93. And to go back to your previous point about the clear windows I think that panel under the foot may also be painted clear plastic like JP93 giving him clear windows on the back. We know the side windows are clear because the panels that make them on the legs are also painted clear blue. Even if the foot panel isn't clear blue (thinking more about it it probably isn't), the bulk of the windows will be just like the original figure.

That said, I'm on team painted windows, I don't feel any need to see a bunch random robot parts inside an otherwise normal looking vehicle.

He doesn't look like a Voyager to me, but he'll probably come with his "sled" and a bunch of weapons to pad the price.

Should also point out that this isn't a great representation of the figure as it's most definitely edited out some stuff in an attempt to remove the background.

Emerje

I agree about the side windows... Looks like transparent plastic in those panels.
But in looking at these photos more, I can at least appreciate that the windshield/windows are blue transparent plastic, not just clear. That makes a big difference imo.
Also, possibly the biggest improvement imo is the waist.
It's not just suddenly a small brick of a piece at the bottom of the torso that the upper thighs are attached to.
Which is the main reason I think the new Blanker looks pretty bad.
In the most recent photo where Ironhide is posed running does a good job of what I'm saying.
And overall this figure just looks incredibly good.
Hopefully there aren't any QC issues, but based on appearance alone, I won't be able to pass on this one.
I'm also pretty excited that this also means we should be getting a Ratchet from this mold next year.
I skipped the ER version because I didn't want the 2 pack.

Nice one, Hastak... I really figured this was going to be a letdown of a SS86 figure.
Glad I was wrong!!

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:From what I can see, I’m calling it that the feet are the top-rear section of the van. There is just enough of a diagonal from the top of the feet towards the “toes”, plus under the “toes” are hinges;
I’m betting the panels under the bot feet unfold to become the back of the van.
Just looked at a couple photos, & the back of the van of the original toy and the animation model show the back being completely flat.
All this to say it looks like the foot issue of the previous versions have been resolved.
Another reason I may get this version is because there’s not nearly as much greebling!!

This is exactly what I see. The panel folding under the foot is reminiscent of JP93. And to go back to your previous point about the clear windows I think that panel under the foot may also be painted clear plastic like JP93 giving him clear windows on the back. We know the side windows are clear because the panels that make them on the legs are also painted clear blue. Even if the foot panel isn't clear blue (thinking more about it it probably isn't), the bulk of the windows will be just like the original figure.

That said, I'm on team painted windows, I don't feel any need to see a bunch random robot parts inside an otherwise normal looking vehicle.

He doesn't look like a Voyager to me, but he'll probably come with his "sled" and a bunch of weapons to pad the price.

Should also point out that this isn't a great representation of the figure as it's most definitely edited out some stuff in an attempt to remove the background.

Emerje

I agree about the side windows... Looks like transparent plastic in those panels.
But in looking at these photos more, I can at least appreciate that the windshield/windows are blue transparent plastic, not just clear. That makes a big difference imo.
Also, possibly the biggest improvement imo is the waist.
It's not just suddenly a small brick of a piece at the bottom of the torso that the upper thighs are attached to.
Which is the main reason I think the new Blanker looks pretty bad.
In the most recent photo where Ironhide is posed running does a good job of what I'm saying.
And overall this figure just looks incredibly good.
Hopefully there aren't any QC issues, but based on appearance alone, I won't be able to pass on this one.
I'm also pretty excited that this also means we should be getting a Ratchet from this mold next year.
I skipped the ER version because I didn't want the 2 pack.

Nice one, Hastak... I really figured this was going to be a letdown of a SS86 figure.
Glad I was wrong!!

You don't know that yet. "Looks can be deceiving" But probably not, this does look very good.

Hard to get a good feel for his size thanks to the forced perspective but I'm guessing he's around the size of Grapple.

He does seem to have a lot of panels on the back of his legs, too.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:He doesn't look like a Voyager to me, but he'll probably come with his "sled" and a bunch of weapons to pad the price.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Hard to get a good feel for his size thanks to the forced perspective but I'm guessing he's around the size of Grapple.

Emerje

PvP has stated elsewhere that he's a tad shorter than Siege/Earthrise (no specific amount was given). I'm not totally sure how that compares to Grapple, but I'm pretty sure it's shorter?

Multiple leakers have also now stated he doesn't partsform (so presumably no sled, which might have been outright stated too but IDR), and one leaker who has seen info on the mold said that the mold includes an alternate Ratchet head (obviously), only one gun for Ironhide (I don't remember if there were different guns for Ratchet), and "alternate battle damaged parts". I believe the current theory on the battle damaged parts is that they are for separate releases and won't come with the base version, because a damaged Ratchet chest plate would be the most logical damaged part, and PvP mentioned that the chest plate is pinned on. So at this point it looks like this is it.

(Info from TFW)

I wonder if this will be officially revealed alongside Blanker and Dead End in a week.

Does Prime vs Prime steal these unreleased toys?
Or does he get them from someone who stole them?

noctorro wrote:Does Prime vs Prime steal these unreleased toys?
Or does he get them from someone who stole them?

I don't believe he lives in Vietnam so I'd assume it's the latter.

Just a quick interlude to remind folk that this is the thread for SS86 toys, not bash on YouTuber. Keep it on the toys, not the people.

So are we allowed to feel salty about all the previous, almost-there attempts of these two we've had in the past couple of years yet? Can't wait to see the slightly improved leader class ironhide they reveal in another year

noctorro wrote:Does Prime vs Prime steal these unreleased toys?
Or does he get them from someone who stole them?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Of course it's from prime vs prime!

There's a dedicated thread devoted to discussing the likes of CrimevsCrime, Gonrong and Shiftytron, which can be found here:

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... -them.922/

(If there's an equivalent thread at Seibertron, please let me know, and I'll update the link above).

primalxconvoy wrote:
(If there's an equivalent thread at Seibertron, please let me know, and I'll update the link above).

Is there any point in such a Karen club?

I mean, whine all ta want, nothing will change.
And beside, normal people appreciate the leaks.

Hellscream9999 wrote:So are we allowed to feel salty about all the previous, almost-there attempts of these two we've had in the past couple of years yet? Can't wait to see the slightly improved leader class ironhide they reveal in another year

This is why I haven't bothered with the two versions of Springer. I'm sure there will be a better SS86 version, even if it's just an anime-styled paintjob, sans the cr@pple-damage.

They might even release decent versions of Astrotrain and Blitzwing, providing they keep the idiots responsible for the recent versions as far away from them as possible.

Tuned Agent wrote:PvP has stated elsewhere that he's a tad shorter than Siege/Earthrise (no specific amount was given). I'm not totally sure how that compares to Grapple, but I'm pretty sure it's shorter?

Multiple leakers have also now stated he doesn't partsform (so presumably no sled, which might have been outright stated too but IDR), and one leaker who has seen info on the mold said that the mold includes an alternate Ratchet head (obviously), only one gun for Ironhide (I don't remember if there were different guns for Ratchet), and "alternate battle damaged parts". I believe the current theory on the battle damaged parts is that they are for separate releases and won't come with the base version, because a damaged Ratchet chest plate would be the most logical damaged part, and PvP mentioned that the chest plate is pinned on. So at this point it looks like this is it.

(Info from TFW)

Siege and Earthrise...what? Ironhides? Voyagers? Can't imagine why he would be shorter than the previous versions, but slightly smaller than Grapple would make sense (MP uses the same scale, photo below comes from Cyberpath here on the forums).



Interesting that they have battle damage tied to the mold, but what would that release even look like? A dead Prime is one thing, he got a proper send off surrounded by his fellow Autobots, Ratchet and Ironhide's deaths were far from noble and releasing figures of them would be a little more morbid. Time for that Starscream ash pile to get a figure!

BTW, I never doubted that Ironhide was a Voyager, I just meant I could see him getting the Hot Rod treatment and the sled would just be an accessory like it was on the MP, not part of the alt mode. Hopefully the complexity is there to justify the price. The Grapple mold got three accessories after all, that tiny gun that comes with Ironhide doesn't really cut it by comparison.

Emerje

primalxconvoy wrote:

noctorro wrote:Does Prime vs Prime steal these unreleased toys?
Or does he get them from someone who stole them?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Of course it's from prime vs prime!

There's a dedicated thread devoted to discussing the likes of CrimevsCrime, Gonrong and Shiftytron, which can be found here:

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... -them.922/

(If there's an equivalent thread at Seibertron, please let me know, and I'll update the link above).

*Ahem*

ZeroWolf wrote:Just a quick interlude to remind folk that this is the thread for SS86 toys, not bash on YouTuber. Keep it on the toys, not the people.

How much of the van is tucked into his legs? It's this going to be another Hot Rod or Wheelie situation where part of the car is just unfinished?

These just look cheap to me. I guess I don't understand how a character like Junkheap- who was also in the movie briefly, but has even less of a storied "history" and fan following- managed to get a voyager class figure and these two- well-established, well-known- got CORE figures. That is a bleeping cop out IMHO.

First-Aid wrote:These just look cheap to me. I guess I don't understand how a character like Junkheap- who was also in the movie briefly, but has even less of a storied "history" and fan following- managed to get a voyager class figure and these two- well-established, well-known- got CORE figures. That is a bleeping cop out IMHO.

And THEN I saw the release of Voyager Class Ironhide right after I posted this.

My timing sucks.

AcademyofDrX wrote:How much of the van is tucked into his legs? It's this going to be another Hot Rod or Wheelie situation where part of the car is just unfinished?

We'll find out soon enough I believe, if he's light on accessories, I'd like to hope he forms a complete van, but you know what they say about hope...

-Kanrabat- wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:
(If there's an equivalent thread at Seibertron, please let me know, and I'll update the link above).

Is there any point in such a Karen club?

I mean, whine all ta want, nothing will change.
And beside, normal people appreciate the leaks.

I'm glad we get to see figures eearly, but it's still wrong

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:
(If there's an equivalent thread at Seibertron, please let me know, and I'll update the link above).

Is there any point in such a Karen club?

I mean, whine all ta want, nothing will change.
And beside, normal people appreciate the leaks.

I'm glad we get to see figures eearly, but it's still wrong

This is a debate that the horse is well and truly dead on, compadre.