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Ok then. Disscussion closed.

Anyway...

We all know that getting a SS86 Megatron is very slim to pretty much none. So does that also disqualify SS86 Optimus? I mean, it would be pretty much the rerelease of ER leader Prime in a SS86 box, but still.

And I'm still waiting for Siege Springer to get another release in SS86, minus the "battle damage." I wonder what the chances of that are.

What about SS86 Devastator? The last G1 Devy we got was CW, and that was 7 years ago. By the time he's announced and then released, it would be 2025 most likely. 10 years is long enough. Plus this version should be 6 deluxes instead of voyager.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Anyway...

We all know that getting a SS86 Megatron is very slim to pretty much none. So does that also disqualify SS86 Optimus? I mean, it would be pretty much the rerelease of ER leader Prime in a SS86 box, but still.

And I'm still waiting for Siege Springer to get another release in SS86, minus the "battle damage." I wonder what the chances of that are.

What about SS86 Devastator? The last G1 Devy we got was CW, and that was 7 years ago. By the time he's announced and then released, it would be 2025 most likely. 10 years is long enough. Plus this version should be 6 deluxes instead of voyager.

Ss86 optimus would be a black repaint, which already exists. And there is a ko downscale cw devastator.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Anyway...

We all know that getting a SS86 Megatron is very slim to pretty much none. So does that also disqualify SS86 Optimus? I mean, it would be pretty much the rerelease of ER leader Prime in a SS86 box, but still.

And I'm still waiting for Siege Springer to get another release in SS86, minus the "battle damage." I wonder what the chances of that are.

What about SS86 Devastator? The last G1 Devy we got was CW, and that was 7 years ago. By the time he's announced and then released, it would be 2025 most likely. 10 years is long enough. Plus this version should be 6 deluxes instead of voyager.

Devy has a good chance, don't forget as well though that he did get a reissue a year or so ago. How big were the individual constructicons compared to Megatron/Soundwave and the like, as that would determine their size classes.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I'm still waiting for Siege Springer to get another release in SS86, minus the "battle damage." I wonder what the chances of that are.

Probably slim to none now since they just released a Siege Springer without the battle damage, but in toy colors as part of the Wreckers collection.

Rodimus Prime wrote:What about SS86 Devastator? The last G1 Devy we got was CW, and that was 7 years ago. By the time he's announced and then released, it would be 2025 most likely. 10 years is long enough. Plus this version should be 6 deluxes instead of voyager.

CW Devastator did get rereleased last year, so...

I completely forgot about the rerelease. So i guess never mind on Devastator. I would still like a set of 6 official deluxes, though, even if not in SS86, since they wouldn't scale with the Dinobots.

But if we're talking SS86 scale... Titan class TF:TM Astrotrain.

Rodimus Prime wrote:We all know that getting a SS86 Megatron is very slim to pretty much none. So does that also disqualify SS86 Optimus? I mean, it would be pretty much the rerelease of ER leader Prime in a SS86 box, but still.

In the big SDCC interview that was posted on TFW that I relayed Legacy stuff from, it was said Evan explicitly confirmed that any potential SS86 Megatron would still have to be a tank, and also said that the TF figure he most wants to do above all would be an SS86 Optimus but didn't actually say what that would entail in his eyes (or if he did, it wasn't included in the write-up).

They also mentioned that if they were to make G1 versions of newer Dinobot characters like Scorn, they would actually want to try to work them into SS somehow (I assume since that's were the others are happening), and they mentioned a bit more about SS as a whole, but that's probably better for the general SS thread.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:We all know that getting a SS86 Megatron is very slim to pretty much none. So does that also disqualify SS86 Optimus? I mean, it would be pretty much the rerelease of ER leader Prime in a SS86 box, but still.

In the big SDCC interview that was posted on TFW that I relayed Legacy stuff from, it was said Evan explicitly confirmed that any potential SS86 Megatron would still have to be a tank, and also said that the TF figure he most wants to do above all would be an SS86 Optimus but didn't actually say what that would entail in his eyes (or if he did, it wasn't included in the write-up).

They also mentioned that if they were to make G1 versions of newer Dinobot characters like Scorn, they would actually want to try to work them into SS somehow (I assume since that's were the others are happening), and they mentioned a bit more about SS as a whole, but that's probably better for the general SS thread.

Yeah, you might wanna make a big compilation of all that stuff like you did for Legacy, since most of us here are all in the dark about what all else you've researched.

Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, you might wanna make a big compilation of all that stuff like you did for Legacy, since most of us here are all in the dark about what all else you've researched.

Oh I'm gonna post it, it just won't be a "big compilation" because 95% of what was discussed at SDCC was about Legacy.

sol magnus wrote:My SG Blurr's arm guards are actually worse than the SS86 one. Lol

Same, the one on mine's left arm droops, the only way I can keep it from happening is with the blowtorch in hand.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Ss86 optimus would be a black repaint, which already exists. And there is a ko downscale cw devastator.

Why would it be black? And we actually don't have a black repaint of the Earthrise mold, we have two black repaints of the Siege mold and one of the Legacy mold.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Ss86 optimus would be a black repaint, which already exists. And there is a ko downscale cw devastator.

Why would it be black? And we actually don't have a black repaint of the Earthrise mold, we have two black repaints of the Siege mold and one of the Legacy mold.

Emerje

He's probably referring to the death of Optimus Prime, which was more gray than black.

Though, the Alternate Universe Optimus Prime toy pretty much fills that void.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Ss86 optimus would be a black repaint, which already exists. And there is a ko downscale cw devastator.

Why would it be black? And we actually don't have a black repaint of the Earthrise mold, we have two black repaints of the Siege mold and one of the Legacy mold.

Emerje

He's probably referring to the death of Optimus Prime, which was more gray than black.

Though, the Alternate Universe Optimus Prime toy pretty much fills that void.

Yes, that's what they mean. SS86 Optimus Prime is that Amazon exclusive death bed figure. It is a direct call back to the key scene in that film and even comes with alternate parts.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Ss86 optimus would be a black repaint, which already exists. And there is a ko downscale cw devastator.

Why would it be black? And we actually don't have a black repaint of the Earthrise mold, we have two black repaints of the Siege mold and one of the Legacy mold.

Emerje

He's probably referring to the death of Optimus Prime, which was more gray than black.

Though, the Alternate Universe Optimus Prime toy pretty much fills that void.

Yes, that's what they mean. SS86 Optimus Prime is that Amazon exclusive death bed figure. It is a direct call back to the key scene in that film and even comes with alternate parts.

Even though it's a WFC figure? Either way, there's no reason for it to be done again, at least not with that mold. If they want to make a new SS86 Optimus then that's fine with me, I'd like one in brighter colors and fewer vestigial parts.

I'd also like to see a Hate Plague Prime done at last, it's a pretty important moment from the cartoon since it meant his return. Basically do what they normally do for Golden Lagoon repaints, but in silver.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure? Either way, there's no reason for it to be done again, at least not with that mold. If they want to make a new SS86 Optimus then that's fine with me, I'd like one in brighter colors and fewer vestigial parts.

I'd also like to see a Hate Plague Prime done at last, it's a pretty important moment from the cartoon since it meant his return. Basically do what they normally do for Golden Lagoon repaints, but in silver.

Emerje

Please let's not relitigate Kingdom versus SS86. :p

As a kid, my Ultra Magnus broke, so I immediately repurposed the inner bot as hate plague Optimus. If I ever need one in Generations, I'll use either the Siege or Kingdom versions for that. White and silver aren't the same color, but if it's good enough for Moon Knight, it's good enough for Optimus.

Besides the colour difference, would they're even be much of a point of making a new mold truck optimus for ss86? The vestigial parts on earthrise can't be that off putting can it?

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

Well, I though of saying what if kingdom cyclonus got a reissue in ss86, and that would be dumb. But I never got him, so after a second of though: reuses of figures from other lines that would work as studio series 86 figures is fine, it will give people who dont already have one a chance to get it.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

Well, I though of saying what if kingdom cyclonus got a reissue in ss86, and that would be dumb. But I never got him, so after a second of though: reuses of figures from other lines that would work as studio series 86 figures is fine, it will give people who dont already have one a chance to get it.

Well there's suspicion that that Cyclonus was supposed to be in SS86 to go with Scourge, but got moved for some reason. Maybe because SS86 didn't have enough voyager slots, but I would have thought that Cyclonus was a higher profile character than some of the voyagers we got around the same time in SS86.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

Well, I though of saying what if kingdom cyclonus got a reissue in ss86, and that would be dumb. But I never got him, so after a second of though: reuses of figures from other lines that would work as studio series 86 figures is fine, it will give people who dont already have one a chance to get it.

Well there's suspicion that that Cyclonus was supposed to be in SS86 to go with Scourge, but got moved for some reason. Maybe because SS86 didn't have enough voyager slots, but I would have thought that Cyclonus was a higher profile character than some of the voyagers we got around the same time in SS86.

That's funny, cause I was thinking "Cyclonus looks like he belongs in SS86", and then I heard others who shared that opinion as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

Well, I though of saying what if kingdom cyclonus got a reissue in ss86, and that would be dumb. But I never got him, so after a second of though: reuses of figures from other lines that would work as studio series 86 figures is fine, it will give people who dont already have one a chance to get it.

Well there's suspicion that that Cyclonus was supposed to be in SS86 to go with Scourge, but got moved for some reason. Maybe because SS86 didn't have enough voyager slots, but I would have thought that Cyclonus was a higher profile character than some of the voyagers we got around the same time in SS86.

Quite the opposite. Before Kingdom was finalized, the third chapter of the War for Cybertron Trilogy was going to be TFTM-themed in honor of the film's 35th anniversary. But Hasbro got so much flack for ignoring the 20th anniversary of Beast Wars, that they decided to celebrate both at the same time in 2021, and so the third chapter became Kingdom, got filled with Beast Wars toys in addition to more G1 dudes, and the rest got shoved into Studio Series under the new sublabel of Studio Series 86. Then Hasbro simply decided to keep Studio Series 86 going beyond its initial launch.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Even though it's a WFC figure?

Yes

You know, even though it was announced as Earthrise, looking at the box and instructions there's absolutely no mention of WFC or ER anywhere. The only thing really ties AUOP to ER is that one card with him on it floating through space.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well there's suspicion that that Cyclonus was supposed to be in SS86 to go with Scourge, but got moved for some reason. Maybe because SS86 didn't have enough voyager slots, but I would have thought that Cyclonus was a higher profile character than some of the voyagers we got around the same time in SS86.

Close, but backwards. SS86 was supposed to be part of Kingdom before Hasbro decided to include Beast Wars in the lineup and a bunch of figures got ejected into SS.

Emerje

Well, that's not really the opposite, because Cyclonus still didn't make it into SS86. I worded my earlier post poorly. I knew that Cyclonus was in WFC to begin with, along with the other movie figures, but some of them got moved out due to the Beast Wars outcry. So my speculation is still valid, Cyclonus should have been in SS86, but for some reason was kept in WFC. Better?

And I still would like to know why he didn't move to SS86 in place of another, lesser known movie character. Same goes for Galvatron, but I kinda understand that one. He was a main character in Kingdom as well, but I have a feeling he was in Kingdom to accommodate the toy instead of the other way around.

There's more movie based figures in WFC than SS86 so there's seemingly no real deep logic behind who got transplanted and who didn't. To me it makes more sense to keep Cyclonus with Galvatron, Scourge probably got moved so they could have a Decepticon in the line.

Emerje

My closest Walmart and the last two Targets I've been to still had 9, 8 and 9 Coronation Starscreams...
Get that thing on clearance and get them off of the shelves!!

Sowndwave76 wrote:My closest Walmart and the last two Targets I've been to still had 9, 8 and 9 Coronation Starscreams...
Get that thing on clearance and get them off of the shelves!!

They shouldn't do that until after the holiday season, when this stuff usually gets sold. You DO NOT want TFs to gonon clearance regularly or else that means TFs may no longer be stocked. Them not flying off the shelves is proof that the collector market alone can't sustain retail Transformers lines like SS.