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I also agree that this new Devastator is too small for "scale" and CW Devy scales much better. Although I like the individual figures better with the new SS ones. So, I guess I'm saying, if you want the most "accurate" scale, CW Devastator with individual SS Constructicons. I actually like Devastator to be a bit larger than the other combiners, along with Predaking. Thats why I will most likely keep my Predaking even if they make a new one. I mean all combiners grow larger than the sum of their combined members in almost every show/comic. I cannot deny though, the new combiners are waaay better; more stable, look better and better individual figures. I love my Legacy Menasor and Superion is looking amazing. I want a new updated Computron in this new style the most though.

Sabrblade wrote:I don't see anyone whining about AOTP Superion being too small as a Combiner. Fair's fair if one Combiner's too small, they all are.

Like I said in post above yours'; I like Devy and Predaking to be a bit larger than the other combiners. Not sure if that is fair or not, more personal preference.

Hero Alpha wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I don't see anyone whining about AOTP Superion being too small as a Combiner. Fair's fair if one Combiner's too small, they all are.

Like I said in post above yours'; I like Devy and Predaking to be a bit larger than the other combiners. Not sure if that is fair or not, more personal preference.

At least with Predaking you can point to toy scale, but I've never really understood people wanting Devastator to be bigger when he was never shown that way in the 80s. Like you said, it's personal preference and that's fine, I just don't understand it. Is it because the cartoon often pit him against Omega Supreme? Omega was usually shown as being the size of combiners, just girthier.

Emerje

I personally didn't mind that Devy was larger than the other combiners in CW/UW... But I don't think he should or needs to be. If anything, I could see both Predaking and Abominus being larger than all of the others.

Of the two photos below, I much prefer the scaling seen with Core class Soundwave. Leader Soundwave is not only way too tall, but also too bulky. If I had faced Soundwave straight forward, you could more easily see that he's bigger than one of Mensor's lower legs... Which just looks odd. Anyone like Galvatron, Rodimus, CC Optimus, etc. is going to make any of these combiners look even smaller.

Roadbuster wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Hero Alpha wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I don't see anyone whining about AOTP Superion being too small as a Combiner. Fair's fair if one Combiner's too small, they all are.

Like I said in post above yours'; I like Devy and Predaking to be a bit larger than the other combiners. Not sure if that is fair or not, more personal preference.

At least with Predaking you can point to toy scale, but I've never really understood people wanting Devastator to be bigger when he was never shown that way in the 80s. Like you said, it's personal preference and that's fine, I just don't understand it. Is it because the cartoon often pit him against Omega Supreme? Omega was usually shown as being the size of combiners, just girthier.

Emerje

Actually, Devastator and Omega only fought once in the cartoon. That single episode does make it look like they are rivals, despite the single on screen fight.

Well in that one episode, Omega himself talks about how they are rivals. So much so he is near blinded with rage and revenge. He has chased them all over the galaxy and to earth because of what they did to him and Crystal City. That all sounds pretty rival like.

On the scale thing; I like Predaking a bit larger because it raises his threat level and looks cooler. Plus the individual Predacons being bigger also puts them closer to Dinobot scale, which I kinda like with Divebomb stealing Swoop's name and such, etc. Devastator being bigger because they are really the "first" combiner, again upping the threat level. Plus construction vehicles are generally large. All combiners grew larger than the sum of their parts in fiction. Like I said, personal preference, and I understand the counter arguments and don't disagree with peoples points. As I said earlier: I like CW Devy, for scale, then use the SS Constructicons as individual figures. This is best I can think of until figures out subspace and mass-shifting That is the best cartoon/comic scale, to me.

Been playing around with the PR aka Re-issue of Jazz, and I'm surprised how much retooling when into Knockout, so much that he ends up having a longer wheelbase somehow.

Also, kind of afraid of all those super thin and fragile translucent hinges on Jazz.

His pseudo-Porsche mode is actually pretty nice though.

Also, also, why does he have Bayverse Jazz's read up about Mission city and Megatron on the box?

With this line coming to an end I almost feel like it was a missed opportunity for Hasbro to include figures of Marissa Faireborn and Dirk Manus as a pack in to a couple of their Leader Class Bots. They've done it with the Joe Crosssovers and just thought it would have bean kind of neat is all. Since Hasbro dos own Joe and could possibly use said molds for these characters. Of course I was also hoping we'd get a proper Spike and Daniel not in exo-suit.

Frankly, I don't know each individual line well enough to know who belongs where. Some of us are not hard core like others. Honestly SS86 should have ended long ago or not even started until 2026. If the intention was to strictly honor the movie's anniversary. It started with the 35th and ending on or close to the 40th, which seems too long to cover a handful of Bots seen in just TFTM. I get that some people are so anal that a line has to be strictly specific with zero outliers, but I like to think of SS86 as G1 focused in general. Though I guess it's possible those characters could be released in any line, but would it not feel out of place in the live action SS line? How about Age of Primes? Is it a combination of generations? My guess it it would have to be an Exclusive anyway because your average joe isn't likely to be interested in Human figures anyway.

Thanks for the friendly snarky reminder not to bother to share my thoughts here again though. It's an enlightening as ever.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Frankly, I don't know each individual line well enough to know who belongs where. Some of us are not hard core like others. Honestly SS86 should have ended long ago or not even started until 2026. If the intention was to strictly honor the movie's anniversary. It started with the 35th and ending on or close to the 40th, which seems too long to cover a handful of Bots seen in just TFTM. I get that some people are so anal that a line has to be strictly specific with zero outliers, but I like to think of SS86 as G1 focused in general. Though I guess it's possible those characters could be released in any line, but would it not feel out of place in the live action SS line? How about Age of Primes? Is it a combination of generations? My guess it it would have to be an Exclusive anyway because your average joe isn't likely to be interested in Human figures anyway.

Thanks for the friendly snarky reminder not to bother to share my thoughts here again though. It's an enlightening as ever.

Don't sweat the bs, man.
But I hear ya... It's pretty laughable how anyone would post on these forums thinking everyone is as into these toys as they are, and can't quite fathom that not everyone knows every single aspect of the lore in the various universes and/or the business aspects of this franchise...
It's basically the equivalent of the meathead jocks back in high school not being able to comprehend why everyone else didn't want to be a meathead jock, and then giving people sh!t about it.

Found these online, and the person who posted them snagged them from an ebay listing, surprise surprise.

Initial thoughts:

This looks incredible... Imo, both modes. I personally love that the shins basically become the feet and that there aren't forefeet that were never part of this character's original design.
The alt mode alone makes this 20x better than the CW version for me. Overall this is clean, filled-out, and thankfully better than Scrapper, and much better than Bonecrusher.
There are other photos I've seen showing Mixmaster and Scrapper side-by-side. I believe in those shots the feet were mis-transformed, but either way, Mixmaster looks to just be slightly taller than Scrapper.
My gut tells me that Scavenger is going to be better than Bonecrusher, but we'll see if he's better than Scrapper. From we've seen, just based on appearances, I'd rank these:

1- Mixmaster
2- tie between Hook and Long Haul
3- Scrapper
4- Bonecrusher

Prime vs Prime has leader class Studio Series 86 Megatron in hand and while he is making his review, he is giving some descriptions of the toy online. Below is what he posted on the TFW2005 boards pertaining to the figure:

- SS86 Megatron in robot mode is EVERYTHING you would want from his G1 design

- He’s mostly all grey plastic with a very pale painted grey faceplate. The back is immaculate! If it wasn’t for some very vague tread detailing on the legs, you’d never even know he transformed into a tank.

- He includes the sword he used to slash prime with in the movie, his back gun barrel and himself as the Walther P38

- Red sides are present and [there is red] on the bicep too

- Hands articulate exactly the same as 86 Prime. Red sides are present!

- Completely brand new - nothing is the same compared to Megatronus

In other news, the upcoming SS86 Mixmaster has been showing up on E-bay. Now, we have a great look at the toy and how it compared to the previous Generations version from Combiner Ware. It basically looks night and day, especially since the truck mode was very different from the G1 version.

New Mix looks good. I still think his forearms look a little weird, but I don't think there's much they can do about his arm proportions due to the fact that the double wheels have to make up his biceps and shoulders.

Honestly, these constructicons shouldn't be studio series. Studio series is supposed to be way better quality then these. I cant believe most people are ok with this level of poor quality. I get that the main attraction is to form devastator, but even the stuntacons look better then these and they aren't even SS. Selling my gravity builder was my worst mistake.

Seriously - they couldn't think of ANYTHING to do with the robot forearms when it's in leg mode? Not even double jointing the elbows so they could fold up and tab fully behind the calf? I hope it's a mis-transformation and that they fold up someplace instead of just sticking out like mud flaps. Yuck.

Is it righteous indignation that I still think it's shady that PvP has such early access through dodgy factory sources? Or jealousy that the rest of us don't have the same level of early access?

If he has suppliers on the factory floor slipping him these early copies, one would think that Hasbro would move to put a stop to it. After all, they know who he is (he hasn't exactly been keeping his channel a secret) and could have YouTube shut him down, since he's essentially spilling the beans and taking control of their own product reveals away from them. Unless of course, they're in cahoots on it for publicity. In the which case, more power to him I guess...