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[william-james88]

The only toysthat have ever concealed the nosecons properly are HFTD Leader Starscream and the Prime Dreadwing mold.

What about the Generations Legends class Seeker mold?

I never experienced that mold. I was looking at deluxe or above since that is what was being discussed. But glad to know those have it worked out too.

It's a better Seeker mold that the Classics Deluxe one, though.

I will have to try it out then.

[Hellscream9999]

The only toysthat have ever concealed the nosecons properly are HFTD Leader Starscream and the Prime Dreadwing mold.

What about the Generations Legends class Seeker mold?

I never experienced that mold. I was looking at deluxe or above since that is what was being discussed. But glad to know those have it worked out too.

It's a better Seeker mold that the Classics Deluxe one, though.

I will have to try it out then.

Get acid storm, or Skywarp, they wear that body with pride

[Emerje]

The only toysthat have ever concealed the nosecons properly are HFTD Leader Starscream and the Prime Dreadwing mold.

What about the Generations Legends class Seeker mold?

I never experienced that mold. I was looking at deluxe or above since that is what was being discussed. But glad to know those have it worked out too.

It conceals it very nicely inside the body, but upscaling it to Voyager class would basically be the Cyber Battalion Starscream, just with better articulation.



I'm fine with that.

As far as the MP-11 mold goes my only two complaints are the feet (more than enough room to put proper feet inside the leg) and the cockpit in bot mode sticking up too high placing the head on a pedestal above the shoulders. Everything else about the mold feels as show accurate as any of the other MPs. I definitely don't see any movie qualities about it.

Emerje

[padfoo]

As for the MP-11 mold, it's not really fair to say it's as old as the MP-3 mold. Yes, there is some common engineering involved and parts of the plane are identical in tooling, but for the most part, MP-11 is a brand new mold, especially where any of the robot mode parts are concerned. With the revised Masterpiece Seekers being roughly 90% (or more) brand new tooling, I don't think anything held over from the MP-3 design would be produced on those old sprues anyway, rather they would have been recast for the new MP-11 molds.

I was referring more to the real life jet aspects which still preserve the dimensions of the jet along with how the wings look in both modes. They still keep all the real jet gimmicks too like the antenna in the nosecone and the air brake along the back. The robot mode has been redone though, especially the legs area, but it does still exhibit elements of a real life jet which was the goal of the original. And that is all I was responding too.

Also, and this is not related to any previous comment (just for conversation purposes), while the tooling is new, the transformation for anything above the waist is nearly identical to MP 03. It's like Dark Cumplezone, who people dont realize is almost 100% new tooling since its all just aesthetic. He still transforms the exact same way so people who disliked of the mold wont change their minds with 100% new tooling.

[william-james88]

The only toysthat have ever concealed the nosecons properly are HFTD Leader Starscream and the Prime Dreadwing mold.

What about the Generations Legends class Seeker mold?

I never experienced that mold. I was looking at deluxe or above since that is what was being discussed. But glad to know those have it worked out too.

It's a better Seeker mold that the Classics Deluxe one, though.

Ok, so I tried it out and....no, I really do not find it better than the deluxe seeker mold, nor am I fond if it aside from the smart way to hide the nosecone and the efficient way the wings are flipped in robot mode (sure beats the leader seeker design in that respect).

What I dislike about this mold are 2 things:

1. The very limited articulation: sure, its a legends class toy, but BW Terrorsaur was a similar class and far more articulated. If I am to judge this against the deluxe seeker (or any seeker), of course I will look at articulation and it fails in that department. mostly for the fact that he can only pose looking straight ahead and standing straight. There isnt that cool hip or knee pivot I like so you cant have one foot straight forward while the other is perpendicular, giving a nice strong action stance. And his face (which I find too small) cant articulate either. With no exageration, I find the beast wars basics far better than this mold (with the exception of Optimus Minor, but thats for different reasons).

2. this is probably the worst undercarriage I have ever seen on a jet transformer. Its not even stored away tightly, its just his arms, his legs and his face. I bought autobot gears and eclipse at the same time and there wasnt much difference between The legends seeker undercarriage and eclipse. The deluxe deffinitely wins in that regard, and thus also wins in transformation (since it hides away the robot parts better).


Transformers Generations Starscream Gallery


Transformers Universe - Classics 2.0 Starscream Gallery

[Hellscream9999]

The only toysthat have ever concealed the nosecons properly are HFTD Leader Starscream and the Prime Dreadwing mold.

What about the Generations Legends class Seeker mold?

I never experienced that mold. I was looking at deluxe or above since that is what was being discussed. But glad to know those have it worked out too.

It's a better Seeker mold that the Classics Deluxe one, though.

Ok, so I tried it out and....no, I really do not find it better than the deluxe seeker mold, nor am I fond if it aside from the smart way to hide the nosecone and the efficient way the wings are flipped in robot mode (sure beats the leader seeker design in that respect).

What I dislike about this mold are 2 things:

1. The very limited articulation: sure, its a legends class toy, but BW Terrorsaur was a similar class and far more articulated. If I am to judge this against the deluxe seeker (or any seeker), of course I will look at articulation and it fails in that department. mostly for the fact that he can only pose looking straight ahead and standing straight. There isnt that cool hip or knee pivot I like so you cant have one foot straight forward while the other is perpendicular, giving a nice strong action stance. And his face (which I find too small) cant articulate either. With no exageration, I find the beast wars basics far better than this mold (with the exception of Optimus Minor, but thats for different reasons).

2. this is probably the worst undercarriage I have ever seen on a jet transformer. Its not even stored away tightly, its just his arms, his legs and his face. I bought autobot gears and eclipse at the same time and there wasnt much difference between The legends seeker undercarriage and eclipse. The deluxe deffinitely wins in that regard, and thus also wins in transformation (since it hides away the robot parts better).

So who'd you get? Thundercracker or Skywarp?

[william-james88]

So who'd you get? Thundercracker or Skywarp?

Acid Storm.

[Emerje]

For what they are the Legends Seekers are nice figures. I think you're expecting a little too much from them, Will. Many (most?) of the Legends don't have neck or ankle articulation. The ones that do only have it because of their transformations. Scouts/Basics are larger than Legends so it makes more sense for them to have more articulation, but even then they only have the ankles if it is part of their transformation. Terrorsaur may have better articulation, but it takes more steps to transform a Legends Seeker.

But this was mainly a discussion about how to do the nosecones better and the Legends figures do that. Obviously if they were to make a proper Voyager out of the Legends Seekers (not the Cyber Battalion mold, but proper Voyager) they'd be able to hide the arms better and give him head and ankle articulation.

Emerje

[Hellscream9999]

So who'd you get? Thundercracker or Skywarp?

Acid Storm.

*gasp* you have good taste

How did you get it so fast? Are there some on your shelves still?

[william-james88]

For what they are the Legends Seekers are nice figures. I think you're expecting a little too much from them, Will. Many (most?) of the Legends don't have neck or ankle articulation. The ones that do only have it because of their transformations. Scouts/Basics are larger than Legends so it makes more sense for them to have more articulation, but even then they only have the ankles if it is part of their transformation. Terrorsaur may have better articulation, but it takes more steps to transform a Legends Seeker.

But this was mainly a discussion about how to do the nosecones better and the Legends figures do that. Obviously if they were to make a proper Voyager out of the Legends Seekers (not the Cyber Battalion mold, but proper Voyager) they'd be able to hide the arms better and give him head and ankle articulation.

Emerje

I agree with you 100% Energe!

But please hear me out so I dont sound too foolish. While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest (especially since I have an upcoming best seeker molds list (also inspired by Touya)). Not only that but it was then debated which one should be best to upscale into a voyager. So while the legends has limitations all legends have, this new talk did start comparing this mold over molds of a bigger scale and that is how I judged it. The way it is, I do not see this mold working as a straight up upscale and I dont think it is all that great itself. Especially when you compare it to Blackjack or Cosmos which I feel are much more impressive Legends toys (or Legion fixit which gives me everything I would want from the little guy). As a Legends seeker mold, it does the job well (as you write eloquently so) but it clearly exhibits the limitations of that size class and budget.

So who'd you get? Thundercracker or Skywarp?

Acid Storm.

*gasp* you have good taste

How did you get it so fast? Are there some on your shelves still?

Thanks! He was found locally. Being the same price (a bit less actually) as the cw legends in stores, I figured this was better value since it comes with a targetmaster. Also got gears (I got into the game too late for swerve at retail). He has an amazing targetmaster by the way, but that is for another thread I guess.

[Sabrblade]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

[william-james88]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

Ah I see. But still, after having experienced both, I feel this mold is not better. It is only better in the way it conceals the nosecone.

[Hellscream9999]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

Ah I see. But still, after having experienced both, I feel this mold is not better. It is only better in the way it conceals the nosecone.

I like the stylized look of it more than the classics blocky design.

[Sabrblade]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

Ah I see. But still, after having experienced both, I feel this mold is not better. It is only better in the way it conceals the nosecone.

I like the stylized look of it more than the classics blocky design.

And the arms and legs have way better articulation ranges with their uses of universal ball joints in the knees and elbows over rigid pin joints.

[william-james88]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

Ah I see. But still, after having experienced both, I feel this mold is not better. It is only better in the way it conceals the nosecone.

I like the stylized look of it more than the classics blocky design.

And the arms and legs have way better articulation ranges with their uses of universal ball joints in the knees and elbows over rigid pin joints.

Wait, whats being discussed here? The legends seekers have pin knees.

[Sabrblade]

While the discussion was about the nosecone (which this does very well), it was brought up that the Legends mold was the best seeker mold and that peaked my interest

The word I used was "better", not "best". By no means do I feel it's the "best" Seeker mold.

Ah I see. But still, after having experienced both, I feel this mold is not better. It is only better in the way it conceals the nosecone.

I like the stylized look of it more than the classics blocky design.

And the arms and legs have way better articulation ranges with their uses of universal ball joints in the knees and elbows over rigid pin joints.

Wait, whats being discussed here? The legends seekers have pin knees.

You are correct. I misremembered the knees. I admit it has been a while since I fiddled with either my Starscream or Thundercracker.

Perhaps my mental image of figure's knees was misconstrued with those of the similarly-sized Animated Activators Seeker mold, which did have ball jointed knees (and shoulders, elbows, hips, even the neck), and which itself was much better than its larger counterpart size class of that line (the Animated Voyager Seeker mold).

Forgive me, I've been re-watching Animated these passed few evenings, and reorganized my Animated shelf earlier this year, so I must still have Animated on the brain.

[william-james88]

Forgive me, I've been re-watching Animated these passed few evenings, and reorganized my Animated shelf earlier this year, so I must still have Animated on the brain.

Its a good thing to have on the brain so I see no fault there. And it does reassure me since we usually see eye to eye and I agree with you. The legends class seeker you were imagining sounds amazing. Sadly, its not as great in reality.

Also, Hellscream, I do agree that the deluxe is blocky but I find that it works in it's advantage. It makes it look more like the animated character brought to toy form, even more so than the MP (especially due to the quick transformation, wings, feet and especially tapered nosecone chest)

[Sabrblade]

Forgive me, I've been re-watching Animated these passed few evenings, and reorganized my Animated shelf earlier this year, so I must still have Animated on the brain.

Its a good thing to have on the brain so I see no fault there. And it does reassure me since we usually see eye to eye and I agree with you. The legends class seeker you were imagining sounds amazing. Sadly, its not as great in reality.

I dunno, always felt the Activators Seeker mold was pretty neat.

[william-james88]

Forgive me, I've been re-watching Animated these passed few evenings, and reorganized my Animated shelf earlier this year, so I must still have Animated on the brain.

Its a good thing to have on the brain so I see no fault there. And it does reassure me since we usually see eye to eye and I agree with you. The legends class seeker you were imagining sounds amazing. Sadly, its not as great in reality.

I dunno, always felt the Activators Seeker mold was pretty neat.

I was only talkng about the Legends Seekers whicht turned out to not be as great as I was expecting, basing off what i had read.

As for the activators, I am not a big fan of the altmode:

[Sabrblade]

Forgive me, I've been re-watching Animated these passed few evenings, and reorganized my Animated shelf earlier this year, so I must still have Animated on the brain.

Its a good thing to have on the brain so I see no fault there. And it does reassure me since we usually see eye to eye and I agree with you. The legends class seeker you were imagining sounds amazing. Sadly, its not as great in reality.

I dunno, always felt the Activators Seeker mold was pretty neat.

I was only talkng about the Legends Seekers whicht turned out to not be as great as I was expecting, basing off what i had read.

As for the activators, I am not a big fan of the altmode:

Just looks like a chibi version of the show altmode to me.

[william-james88]

Just looks like a chibi version of the show altmode to me.

I am glad you like them, every TF should have some love.

PS: aside from the proportions, I am not a fan of the hands sticking out the sides, and I am not a fan of the overall cartoon model anyway

[Va'al]

Another promotion from TransformersAsia is this time limited to the Chinese market, still via a xRotorstormx notification, and concerns another collectable coin, this time for the Masterpiece figure MP-11T Thundercracker. Check it out in the mirrored image below, in its handsome blue packaging!

[BumbleDouche]

So they went out of their way to re-do Thundercracker in a lighter shade of blue but then decided to ignore that for the coin packaging? Not that anyone will particularly care, I'm sure, just seems odd.

[Deathsanras]

So they went out of their way to re-do Thundercracker in a lighter shade of blue but then decided to ignore that for the coin packaging? Not that anyone will particularly care, I'm sure, just seems odd.

Hasbro Asia is not Takara. Those are two different "they"s.
Case in point:

[Wolfman Jake]

Anyone else have their MP-11T Thundercracker yet? I got mine Saturday, and he is gorgeous! All the silver/gray parts on his chest and pelvis are uniformly painted, unlike with MP Starscream and Skywarp, who have unpainted plastic for some of these parts (like the "codpiece") that doesn't match the surrounding paint very well. The only "flaw" with Thundercracker seems to be the black nosecone, which is toy accurate instead of the usual cartoon accurate. That's not in itself such a problem, except that he doesn't match his seeker brothers, who instead go for the cartoon accurate nosecone colors. Also his Decepticon sigils are right side up in robot mode, again, making him more toy accurate and matching MP Skywarp, instead making MP Starscream the odd man out with his sigils upside down like in the cartoon. Anyway, again, Thundercracker is beautiful. I'm not one bit hesitant to sell off my Hasbro version from a few years back.