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[fenrir72]

Thats pretty nuts. Thanks Sabr.

PS: You conveniently left out a shot of the back

What do you mean?

I just mean that he looks super close to the cartoon model from many many angles, but not the back.

Pretty close with the Stand clipped on, though?

Personally, one of my biggest pet peeves, is having a stand in one mode, just for display purposes, and then in the other mode, it's used as a weapon or something other than a stand. (*cough cough* MP Starsaber *cough cough*)

Why are you peeved? At least you don't get those useless extra clutter that eventually gets lost. In Starsaber's case, he DID use the shield/stand accessory in one of the last episodes of the series.

My point is, did he have it as a stand in vehicle mode? It's one thing to have a transparent flight stand, that can be used in both modes (MP Tracks), but it's another thing when the only thing you use the shield for in vehicle mode is a flight stand. I would much rather the shield actually integrate into the vehicle mode in a way that makes sense in fiction, than it just be a flight stand. How many times do you see Starsaber in the show, transform into vehicle mode, and his shield becomes a flight stand, so he can pretend he's flying like his daddy? In case you didn't notice, I am all about realism. I am okay about g1 Megatron and Soundwave, cuz that's the eighties. When you are talking about a 21st century Transformer figure, that has a gimmick that could in no way whatsoever be replicated in a show and still make sense, it annoys me.

The stand is a practical purpose application accessory. Of COURSE you won't see "the stand" flying during the flight sequences in the anime. That's one fricked up logic . But if you also follow that asinine logic, no where in the anime did we see Starscream and the Seekers fly with their display stand on. Fyi, those flight stands are pretty much useless unless you stick it in his butt in robot mode to do some dramatic poses.Or jet plane mode as a display piece. Takara and later TT incorporated those stands for us fans to pose our stuff, just like Gundam and figma products.

Starsaber shield is, well you can pose him WITH the shield to try and recreate some of the scenes in the anime.

[fenrir72]

Thats pretty nuts. Thanks Sabr.

PS: You conveniently left out a shot of the back

What do you mean?

I just mean that he looks super close to the cartoon model from many many angles, but not the back.

Pretty close with the Stand clipped on, though?

Personally, one of my biggest pet peeves, is having a stand in one mode, just for display purposes, and then in the other mode, it's used as a weapon or something other than a stand. (*cough cough* MP Starsaber *cough cough*)

Why are you peeved? At least you don't get those useless extra clutter that eventually gets lost. In Starsaber's case, he DID use the shield/stand accessory in one of the last episodes of the series.

My point is, did he have it as a stand in vehicle mode? It's one thing to have a transparent flight stand, that can be used in both modes (MP Tracks), but it's another thing when the only thing you use the shield for in vehicle mode is a flight stand. I would much rather the shield actually integrate into the vehicle mode in a way that makes sense in fiction, than it just be a flight stand. How many times do you see Starsaber in the show, transform into vehicle mode, and his shield becomes a flight stand, so he can pretend he's flying like his daddy? In case you didn't notice, I am all about realism. I am okay about g1 Megatron and Soundwave, cuz that's the eighties. When you are talking about a 21st century Transformer figure, that has a gimmick that could in no way whatsoever be replicated in a show and still make sense, it annoys me.

The stand is a practical purpose application accessory. Of COURSE you won't see "the stand" flying during the flight sequences in the anime. That's one fricked up logic . But if you also follow that asinine logic, no where in the anime did we see Starscream and the Seekers fly with their display stand on. Fyi, those flight stands are pretty much useless unless you stick it in his butt in robot mode to do some dramatic poses.Or jet plane mode as a display piece. Takara and later TT incorporated those stands for us fans to pose our stuff, just like Gundam and figma products.

Starsaber shield is, well you can pose him WITH the shield to try and recreate some of the scenes in the anime.

Continued due to the ISP fart.

I don't recall Megatron and Soundwave MP having transparent stands. So your using them as examples is also quite confusing to me.

[Seibertron]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

[Burn]

Fyi, those flight stands are pretty much useless unless you stick it in his butt in robot mode to do some dramatic poses.

I had to do it.

[Sabrblade]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

[Cobotron]

You guys are fun to read.
Good times.

[fenrir72]

Fyi, those flight stands are pretty much useless unless you stick it in his butt in robot mode to do some dramatic poses.

I had to do it.

George Takei is the BOSS!

[Seibertron]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

No it's not a "funny". The G1 toy is pretty accurate to the cartoon model to begin with for a toy from 1985, just lacks proper posability. Not having the backpack built into the transformation like the original toy is a really poor design, especially if you have to use a stand to do the backpack properly. Unless I'm missing something here altogether because I didn't read all the posts from the past few pages.

[Sabrblade]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

No it's not a "funny".

In that case, of course the G1 toy got the backpack right. The cartoon model was based on the toy (not vice-versa like this MP).

[Seibertron]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

No it's not a "funny".

In that case, of course the G1 toy got the backpack right. The cartoon model was based on the toy (not vice-versa like this MP).

I don't understand what your point is. Shockwave's a pretty basic Transformer as far as where the parts on him go when he's in robot mode and in gun mode. So where does the back part of the gun with the radar go when he transforms on the Masterpiece figure?

[wilcosu35]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

No it's not a "funny".

In that case, of course the G1 toy got the backpack right. The cartoon model was based on the toy (not vice-versa like this MP).

I don't understand what your point is. Shockwave's a pretty basic Transformer as far as where the parts on him go when he's in robot mode and in gun mode. So where does the back part of the gun with the radar go when he transforms on the Masterpiece figure?

From what i've seen in this thread so far, the back part of the gun (with the sight) combines with the handgrip to form the lower legs.

[Spanbauer]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

They "got it right" on the G1 toy because the big grey gun barrel disconnected in robot mode and was left off to the side.

I LOVE that they incorporated the gun barrel into MP SHockwave's transformation and robot mode, then gave us the option to cover it up with the "stand" for a more accurate looking robot mode. And we're able to do this while giving him proportionally accurate robot legs but a thin gun handle. Very, very nice.

[Cobotron]

What is the symbol on his leg? I've never seen that before. Or is it some kind of watermark on the photo?

[william-james88]

What is the symbol on his leg? I've never seen that before. Or is it some kind of watermark on the photo?

Its Daim Choc's watermark. It shouldnt be there since it isnt his image. Its as if Seibertron would put their watermark on a hasbro stock photo.

[Wh33l Jck]

I don't like the Backpack partsforming.

It makes more sense for the barrel to partform, just in general toy sense and also because there is already a history of it.

I will not use it as a stand, so it will just be cumbersome... at least the barrel is smaller and easier to put off to the side.

[william-james88]

I don't like the Backpack partsforming.

It makes more sense for the barrel to partform, just in general toy sense and also because there is already a history of it.

I will not use it as a stand, so it will just be cumbersome... at least the barrel is smaller and easier to put off to the side.

I personally would have preffered they just make the barrel partform and leave the rest as is (like the handle becoming the legs, clearing out the back). If people want the cartoon accurate backpack, they can use the stand and the barrel and partform it as they wish. I always say more options are better and this wouldnt have been that hard to do (actually, it would be easier).

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Thats pretty nuts. Thanks Sabr.

PS: You conveniently left out a shot of the back

What do you mean?

I just mean that he looks super close to the cartoon model from many many angles, but not the back.

Pretty close with the Stand clipped on, though?

Personally, one of my biggest pet peeves, is having a stand in one mode, just for display purposes, and then in the other mode, it's used as a weapon or something other than a stand. (*cough cough* MP Starsaber *cough cough*)

Why are you peeved? At least you don't get those useless extra clutter that eventually gets lost. In Starsaber's case, he DID use the shield/stand accessory in one of the last episodes of the series.

My point is, did he have it as a stand in vehicle mode? It's one thing to have a transparent flight stand, that can be used in both modes (MP Tracks), but it's another thing when the only thing you use the shield for in vehicle mode is a flight stand. I would much rather the shield actually integrate into the vehicle mode in a way that makes sense in fiction, than it just be a flight stand. How many times do you see Starsaber in the show, transform into vehicle mode, and his shield becomes a flight stand, so he can pretend he's flying like his daddy? In case you didn't notice, I am all about realism. I am okay about g1 Megatron and Soundwave, cuz that's the eighties. When you are talking about a 21st century Transformer figure, that has a gimmick that could in no way whatsoever be replicated in a show and still make sense, it annoys me.

The stand is a practical purpose application accessory. Of COURSE you won't see "the stand" flying during the flight sequences in the anime. That's one fricked up logic . But if you also follow that asinine logic, no where in the anime did we see Starscream and the Seekers fly with their display stand on. Fyi, those flight stands are pretty much useless unless you stick it in his butt in robot mode to do some dramatic poses.Or jet plane mode as a display piece. Takara and later TT incorporated those stands for us fans to pose our stuff, just like Gundam and figma products.

Starsaber shield is, well you can pose him WITH the shield to try and recreate some of the scenes in the anime.

Continued due to the ISP fart.

I don't recall Megatron and Soundwave MP having transparent stands. So your using them as examples is also quite confusing to me.

I think you missed multiple of the points I made in that comment.

I wasn't using Megs and Soundwave as examples of stands, I was just merely using them as examples of characters that don't make sense, yet I'm fine about them.

Also, my point was, with the shield/stand, is that when it's a stand, I'm supposed to pretend it's not there, but as a shield, I'm supposed to pretend it is there. What does he do, does his shield just appear out of this air?

That's one gripe I have about this Shockwave, is the stand/backpack, but at least I don't actually NEED it. I could leave it off if I wanted to.

I could even pretend that the stand is actually a practical piece, and that it supports him in alt mode, so he can shoot Bots by himself, instead of him flying around like in the G1 comics and stuff. At least when I pretend that, it's not just a stand that you are supposed to ignore till robot mode, when it goes on his back.

Sorry about the long comment.

[Sabrblade]

Also, my point was, with the shield/stand, is that when it's a stand, I'm supposed to pretend it's not there, but as a shield, I'm supposed to pretend it is there. What does he do, does his shield just appear out of this air?

YES! That is EXACTLY what the shield did in its sole appearance. In fact, that is what EVERY handheld weapon (minus Star Saber's sword) did in the Victory cartoon. That was one of that series's things that it did on a regular basis.

[fenrir72]

Thats pretty nuts. Thanks Sabr.

PS: You conveniently left out a shot of the back

What do you mean?

I just mean that he looks super close to the cartoon model from many many angles, but not the back.

Pretty close with the Stand clipped on, though?

I wasn't using Megs and Soundwave as examples of stands, I was just merely using them as examples of characters that don't make sense, yet I'm fine about them.

Also, my point was, with the shield/stand, is that when it's a stand, I'm supposed to pretend it's not there, but as a shield, I'm supposed to pretend it is there. What does he do, does his shield just appear out of this air?

That's one gripe I have about this Shockwave, is the stand/backpack, but at least I don't actually NEED it. I could leave it off if I wanted to.

I could even pretend that the stand is actually a practical piece, and that it supports him in alt mode, so he can shoot Bots by himself, instead of him flying around like in the G1 comics and stuff. At least when I pretend that, it's not just a stand that you are supposed to ignore till robot mode, when it goes on his back.

Sorry about the long comment.

My dear SS, seems like you aren't familiar with the SuperRobot genre where things appear out of nowhere, just like Starsaber's shield. Just like Cliffjumper suddenly pulls out a big@ss "fuel finder bazooka". Only thing different is that CJ doesn't shout it out first. Or even Optimus Prime's energon axe or even Megatron's mace/morning star weapon. That's where suspension of belief digs in.

As for Megs and Soundwave, blame it on Teletram-1 for choosing their alternate mode to "disguise" those two.....and the Hasbro team that first got their mitts on them back in 1983. They didn't make sense back then but here we are waiting (for Megs anyway) for MP ver.2

[Burn]

double post Again!

Stop doing it!

[Sabrblade]

double post Again!

Stop doing it!

In my case, mine (right above fenrir's) was caused by an SQL error beyond my control.

[fenrir72]

double post Again!

Stop doing it!

In my case, mine (right above fenrir's) was caused by an SQL error beyond my control.

Same here. SQL again.

[Burn]

My suggestion there is to go back to the thread (prior to the reply page) and reload it. I'm guessing you're both just hitting reload on the error page which causes the double post.
-edit-
Ironically, I got one while posting this reply.
*sends e-mail to Ryan*

Back to Shockwave!

[fenrir72]

My suggestion there is to go back to the thread (prior to the reply page) and reload it. I'm guessing you're both just hitting reload on the error page which causes the double post.
-edit-
Ironically, I got one while posting this reply.
*sends e-mail to Ryan*

Back to Shockwave!

See?

[william-james88]

That's a bummer about the backpack. They got it right on the G1 toy!

This is meant to be a funny, right?

No it's not a "funny".

In that case, of course the G1 toy got the backpack right. The cartoon model was based on the toy (not vice-versa like this MP).

I am pretty sure Ryan is looking at this from a purely end user perspective in line with the idea that an MP figure should look like the cartoon model. The design of both the G1 toy and catoon model is pretty basic and straightforward, so why does the MP have to overcomplicate things? 30 years later and the G1 toy might end up still being more accurate than the MP which is supposed to look exactly like the animation model (at least in terms of the back).
Thats how I took it.