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News Credits: 372 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:24 pm

Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

News Credits: 1646 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:24 pm

damn, I cannot wait for this!

News Credits: 191 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:25 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

Hmmmm. It is a toughie - MP has the best robot mode by a long shot, but Universe's weapon mode is so much better and refined. Hard to choose which is more important.

News Credits: 1646 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 4:27 pm

Kurona wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

Hmmmm. It is a toughie - MP has the best robot mode by a long shot, but Universe's weapon mode is so much better and refined. Hard to choose which is more important.

MP is the best looking, all the way

News Credits: 462 · Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:59 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right? A Fracas-colored version of the model that was based on Fracas's toy, yes? As opposed to the Nightstick-colored version based on the Fracas toy but which was instead used for Nightstick in both The Rebirth and the Marvel comics:

News Credits: 372 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:53 am

Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

News Credits: 241 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:53 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Kurona wrote:Hmmm.

Thinking I'm liking Universe a bit more.

How about now?

Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right? A Fracas-colored version of the model that was based on Fracas's toy, yes? As opposed to the Nightstick-colored version based on the Fracas toy but which was instead used for Nightstick in both The Rebirth and the Marvel comics:

Are we gonna start the Nightstick vs. Fracas thing here? That's just all kinds of a mess. :lol:

News Credits: 1646 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 12:55 am

Let's just all agree that this Nightstick looks frikkin amazing and he will be awesome with a giant firetruck.

Plus, you can actually have a little partner manning the ladder, which the product shots already assured us was amazing!

News Credits: 372 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:49 am

News Credits: 462 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:42 am

Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.

But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

News Credits: 372 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:03 am

Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.
But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.

News Credits: 462 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:27 pm

Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.
But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.

No, I mean, how do you have a "real" version of the correct model in the right colors when the cartoon and comics both had the models switched but given each other's right colors?

News Credits: 372 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:48 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cyberpath wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec. That cartoon model's a fan-corrected version, right?

Nope. It's the real deal. Though not named and assigned to Cyclonus.
But how? The cartoon and comics switched their character models, applying each's intended color schemes to the other's model, like what would later happen between Nightbeat's and Siren's heads.

Character model-cels went through several revisions before locking the final version, and Rebirth had a plethora of new characters; it's easy for things to get mixed up during production, especially before the age of internet and smart-phones.
No, I mean, how do you have a "real" version of the correct model in the right colors when the cartoon and comics both had the models switched but given each other's right colors?

Pretty much every character had several model-cels till they got the final stamp of approval, it's possible that the animation studio and comic-book artist received an outdated/unfinished reference material for Fracas and Nightstick. (Like how several characters in 2nd season AKOM had the wrong colours, or the original TFTM Floro Drey designs showing up in a couple of episodes and the Marvel comics.) I wouldn't read too much into a blooper. Sometime all it takes is for someone to put down the wrong name on the drawing.

Targetmaster Decepticon
Gun & transformed mini robot
(Cyclonus)

News Credits: 241 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 3:29 pm

Ugh, this adds another layer of the Nightstick/Fracas debate. When were the designs switched, or the toys switched, or... ugh. 8-}

News Credits: 10 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:14 pm

I think my compromise on this guy is to wait for a price drop - maybe around Christmas. The Targetmaster is too cool to pass on.

News Credits: 60 · Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:00 pm

sol magnus wrote:I think my compromise on this guy is to wait for a price drop - maybe around Christmas. The Targetmaster is too cool to pass on.

He is a bit cheaper than Inferno and Grapple surprisingly.

Grapple 11920Y 21% off

Artfire 11270Y 30% off (Why they are selling him 30% is beyond me)

Inferno 11900Y 21% off

Amiami price quote

News Credits: 462 · Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:52 am

Cyberpath wrote:

Targetmaster Decepticon
Gun & transformed mini robot
(Cyclonus)

Thanks to your unearthing and bringing this character model to my attention, I showed it to some others and now it has hit the Wiki!

If you got any more stuff like this that helps explain age-old conundrums, you oughta give the Wiki a holler. ;)^

News Credits: 60 · Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:50 am

Speaking of Artfire, his "code name" anyways, I read that when he was released together with Stepper, there was speculation that their names might have been switched. Similar to Sunstreaker and Sideswipe and the seeker knuckle heads' specs.

Stepper= ladder steps?

Artfire= See Stepper's "flame" deco on his robo breast. Though this part , "fire" can still be attributed to the Firetruck alt mode just like "Inferno".

Was this issue ever cleared up? In the Japanese medium that is.

News Credits: 462 · Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:52 am

fenrir72 wrote:Speaking of Artfire, his "code name" anyways, I read that when he was released together with Stepper, there was speculation that their names might have been switched. Similar to Sunstreaker and Sideswipe and the seeker knuckle heads' specs.

Stepper= ladder steps?

Artfire= See Stepper's "flame" deco on his robo breast. Though this part , "fire" can still be attributed to the Firetruck alt mode just like "Inferno".

Was this issue ever cleared up? In the Japanese medium that is.

Doesn't appear to have been. Though, some speculate that it might have been referenced in Car Robots Artfire having a deco that homaged Stepper even though he used the name "Artfire".

News Credits: 1646 · Tue May 02, 2017 3:11 pm

Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

News Credits: 23 · Tue May 02, 2017 3:25 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

depends on how popular he is.
since its a tfs i think he will be in stock for a while

News Credits: 4877 · Tue May 02, 2017 3:31 pm

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

News Credits: 23 · Tue May 02, 2017 3:34 pm

william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

he still avaliable at tfs and will be for a while. hes not that popular of a character

News Credits: 1646 · Tue May 02, 2017 3:35 pm

william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Question for you guys: if I cancel my pre-order, do you think this guy will still be available in a couple months for the same price?

If you are willing to buy from a japanese store, then yes.

Inferno and Grapple are still in stock so he may stay there for a bit

News Credits: 6188 · Mon May 22, 2017 8:59 am

Notified by Seibertronian archivist ScottyP, we have some images of the collector coin accompanying certain releases of the Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece MP-37 Artfire via the Snakas blog! You can check them out mirrored below, and wait for the figure's release this coming weekend by discussing it in the Energon Pub!