Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Okay, now you're both wrong.
In this sentence, "Spider-Man is a mutate." The word "mutate" is not being used as a verb OR an adjective. It's being used as a NOUN.
Ignoring the obvious grammatical error in that sentence, the word "mutate" is not showing an action (in this case) or describing a noun, it is a noun!
Now an adjective in this sentence would describe either "Peter" or "man". For example, in the sentence "Peter is a tall man." the word "tall" is an adjective describing the noun "man". Or, in the sentence "Old Peter is a man." the word "old" is an adjective describing the (proper) noun "Peter" (though, it would make a little more sense to write the sentence out as "Peter is an old man." cuz "Old Peter is a man." sounds a little awkward).
Lastly, I'm going to sum up this whole "mutant" deal by saying what Spider-Man truely is, no matter what the form of fiction is: "Spider-Man is a metahuman!"
Saber Prime wrote:Now an adjective in this sentence would describe either "Peter" or "man". For example, in the sentence "Peter is a tall man." the word "tall" is an adjective describing the noun "man". Or, in the sentence "Old Peter is a man." the word "old" is an adjective describing the (proper) noun "Peter" (though, it would make a little more sense to write the sentence out as "Peter is an old man." cuz "Old Peter is a man." sounds a little awkward).
Not really. In the sentence "Old Peter is a man." Old Peter could be a nick name in which case Old would be a noun as part of his name and could allso be an adjective as part of how he got that name in the first place.
The current play I'm working on "Christmas Foundling" actully has a character named "Old Jake" and throughout the play "Old" is used both as his name and to describe him.
Saber Prime wrote:Lastly, I'm going to sum up this whole "mutant" deal by saying what Spider-Man truely is, no matter what the form of fiction is: "Spider-Man is a metahuman!"
Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.
I'm sure that I've heard metahuman used as a generic term outside of DC (as well as within it).
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Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.
I'm sure that I've heard metahuman used as a generic term outside of DC (as well as within it).
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Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.
Again, I'm not even going to try to dispute the comics. I don't read them.
But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saber Prime wrote:You know what, just forget it. The whole mutate not a mutant debate is pointless now.
Saber Prime wrote:
Just do me a favor and read the definition of the word Adjective.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/adjective
Saber Prime wrote:
I'll give you three examples where "Mutate" is a verb.
"if I mutate into some 8 legged freak and you have to stop me." verb
"The spider bite caused Peter Parker to mutate." verb
"Spider-man will mutate." verb
The way you were useing it, not the word itself, just the way you used it was as an adjective.
Saber Prime wrote:
In the 3 verb examples I gave you mutate describes something that will happen to him, that's what state of being means.
The way you used it you describe what he is. "Spider-man is a mutate." in that context mutate is not describeing a state of being, it's describeing a noun. An adjective is a word that describes a noun. So in the sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." the word mutate is an adjective.
Saber Prime wrote:
Again, no, you're mixing media. Metahumans are from DC comics and even in the DC universe, some Metahumans are born that way others are created.
Sabrblade wrote:
Oh crud! Looks like Sto was right all along. When he said "Spider-Man is a mutate." turns out he wasn't exactly misusing the word after all. In this particular case, the word "mutate" is not a verb, but a noun that is a synonym for "non-mutant mutated human". Like how DC has beings called "Metahumans", Marvel got beings called "Mutates". I seriously cannot believe I haven't heard this term before. And I'm a much bigger Marvel fan than DC.
Saber Prime wrote:But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.
Sabrblade wrote:
When he originally used it, before the major chunks of this debate, it was being used as a noun, and we thought he was using bad grammar by using what we thought was a verb as a noun.
Sabrblade wrote: Because, that was before either of us knew that Marvel's term for non-mutants was in fact "Mutate", which would be the Marvel equvalent to DC's "Metahuman".
So, in some way, he did kinda prove us both wrong, sort of.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Saber Prime wrote:In the 3 verb examples I gave you mutate describes something that will happen to him, that's what state of being means.
The way you used it you describe what he is. "Spider-man is a mutate." in that context mutate is not describeing a state of being, it's describeing a noun. An adjective is a word that describes a noun. So in the sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." the word mutate is an adjective.
Look plain and simple the way I used it is the very way Marvel has....aas in to categorize those characters who's DNA was altered by outside means.
By reading all the defintions on non action verbs it would seem that both I and Marvel used it in a correct way.
I no longer wish to continue an endless debate.
Saber Prime wrote:But you did just say "Mutate" was not a verb which Sto said it was when he used it. I'm just trying to get him to realize that in that context, Mutate is not a verb.
Actually I wasnt the one who first brought up the "verb issue".
I called Spidy a "mutate" and both of you jumped on me telling me I had to be wrong because of the verb issues.
I still believe that the non action verb statement apply and so far none of you have shown me otherwise.
Saber Prime wrote:Sabrblade seems to think it's a noun.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saber Prime wrote:They're different subjects.
Saber Prime wrote:To clairify Marvel or your use of the word isn't really in question.
Saber Prime wrote: What is in question is weather or not that use of the word is actully a verb and it isn't.
Saber Prime wrote:You say Mutate is a verb in the sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate."
Saber Prime wrote:Because you've failed to read the definitions I sent you and only looked at the parts that helped your case. You didn't even get the right definition.
Saber Prime wrote:Again, "Spider-man is a mutate." mutate in that sentence does not describe his "state of being" it just describes HIM and there is a difference.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote: This argument is exactly the same as the one we had over my use of the word "obvious" in are debate about the ARK on TFA.
You continued to ignore how the word "obvious" can be used when a person is speaking useing his personal experance.
You kept ignoring the portions of the definitions that stated this fact just to try to win that debate.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote: This argument is exactly the same as the one we had over my use of the word "obvious" in are debate about the ARK on TFA.
You continued to ignore how the word "obvious" can be used when a person is speaking useing his personal experance.
You kept ignoring the portions of the definitions that stated this fact just to try to win that debate.
Oh, no, no, no. Please, let's not start that again.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:Because you've failed to read the definitions I sent you and only looked at the parts that helped your case. You didn't even get the right definition.
No I read all the defintions and found evidence to support my case.
You on the other hand just dismiss that evidence and offer nothing to refute it.
Saber Prime wrote:Again, "Spider-man is a mutate." mutate in that sentence does not describe his "state of being" it just describes HIM and there is a difference.
How does it not describe his state of being??????
The "state of being" in question is "being a mutate".
Calling him a mutate is also a way to "describe or to report on a subjects state condition."The subject in question being Spiderman himself.
Calling him a mutate is also useing the word as "A word which affirms or predicates something of some person or thing".
How does my use of the word not fit these definitions of a non-action verb?????
I'm not ignoring anything.
I'm seeing it all as its described.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Saber Prime wrote:1. If you read all the definitions why have you not figured out the difference between "state of being" and just "describeing a noun".
You have not really found ANY evidence to suport your case other than to warp the meanings till they fit your case.
2. I have not dismissed any evidence, you on the other hand have because as far as I can tell you still have not even read what an Adjective is.
And I have offered evidence to refut it. Again which you have not read.
Saber Prime wrote:Now if you had read what an adjective is than prove it. Exsplain the difference in your own words between "describeing a noun" and "state of being".
Saber Prime wrote:That's not a state of being. That's just what he is. You still don't understand the difference between describeing HIM and describing THE STATE HE'S IN?
Saber Prime wrote:Because that use of the word does not do either of these things which you say it is.
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.
I can agree with that.
Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.
"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's defining his state of being.
I can agree with that.
I rewrote my post to make a little more sense.Sabrblade wrote:Let me put this way. It's not describing his state of being. It's identifying his state of being.
"Spider-Man (proper noun) is (copula/linking verb) a (indefinite article) Mutate (different proper noun identiying the first noun)."
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:So if state of being can describe the "condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone" then saying "Spiderman is a mutate" can describe his "condition or stage in the physical being" at it is his "state of being".
Mutate is a word which affirms or predicates something of Spidermans person.
Mutate is a word that describes or to reports on a subjects [Spidermans] state of condition.
Saber Prime wrote:
In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.
Saber Prime wrote:Again. In the Sentence "Spider-man is a Mutate." The word Mutate does not tell me what his state of being is. It does not tell me what his condition is, it doesn't even tell me he has a condition.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Saber Prime wrote:
In that context, in that sentence "Spider-man is a mutate." there is nothing there to sugest state of being, condition or stage in the physical being of something or someone, or condition or stage in the physical being. Non of thoughs things are present in that sentence.
Yes they are...in the word "Mutate".
The word Mutate in that sentence is a "non action verb", it represents the after effects or condition of the action of the mutation or mutating, it represents the suffering of action
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:I truly am done feeding into this.....neither of you guys have been able to describe to me how my take on the definitions of a "non action verb" do not apply.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And, in this sentence, the word "Mutate" is a name (specifically, the name of the genetically altered non-mutant humans of the Marvel universe), and names are not verbs.
And its also a word that reports on their condition or state of being as a result of the action of "mutating".
That is how I see it applying.And as far as I can tell the definition supports it.
I'm not saying that it does not apply as you or sabe have said ether but to me its looking like we're all right.
Ether way I dont want to take this any further.
Saber Prime wrote:I am telling you how this does not apply but like allways you're completly ignoreing the issue. Either that or I'm not being verry clear
Saber Prime wrote:I'm blue in the face but you're never going to admit to being wrong because you allways have to be right.
Saber Prime wrote:This seems a bit backwards too because didn't you use context as part of an argument for my bad grammar a couple times
Saber Prime wrote: I'm getting tired of this myself, but I hope you remember this the next time you missread something I wrote.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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