The Energon Pub

by **Tristar** » Sat May 23, 2009 5:52 pm

As to the matrix thing around Optimus Prime's neck I'd say thats not a medal but, a temp container for the All spark fragments the that Prowl and Jazz managed to collect.

I know Arcee and Ratchet sitting on Omega's head is a reference to something I just don't know what.

Omega crash scene reminded me of how the shuttle crashed on the planet of junk.

by **Burning Saber** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:18 pm

[quote="Sabrblade"]Ooooooookay!

The only known robot who was kept alive by an AllSpark fragment that is confirmed dead was Starscream.

None of his male clones are dead due to their not being present on Earth. As for the Female clone, the Constructicons, and Wreck-Gar, none of them were seen being pulled towards Prowl and Jazz. so we can assume they're still alive as well.[quote]

I think in this case, Starscream and the fragment bots are different situations. Starscream was only kept alive by an all-spark fragment, he didn't have a spark anymore, but it could be theorised, that the transformers brought to life by the all spark used fragments that then became sparks, like any other transformer would have, thus Prowl and Jazz could not "recover" the fragment because it was no longer a true piece of the All-Spark.

News Credits: 5 · by **Rodimus2006** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:30 pm

I was really let down with Endgame both parts were so dull it is like they were asleep or just plan lazy in making this episode.

This really didnt do anything for closure and left more answers than questions.

Also the full aspects or the whole truth about Sari still wasnt all the way revealed but we did get a big hint on it that could fill in the gap.

Let me try this theory on you guys: For Starters she a weapon of lasts resorts sort of like Omega is she was placed on Omega for safe keeping. But during the Autobots encounter with the Ark the Autobots crashed landed into the 5 Great Lakes. Just before the Autobots were forced to crash land some of the ships systems went off line and the protoform chamber that is Sari now ejected from Omega and crashed landed.

But that dosent make since cause Sumdac didnt even have his lab constructed yet and was living in a Farming house of sorts so I guess that nixes my theory.

But it could have something to do with Lockdown maybe he stoled the protoform for Megatron but somehow it got from Lockdowns ship and crashed landed in Sumdacs lab

If this is truly the end for animated I mean no season 4, series-spin offs or a coninuation as a trilogy they will be some pissed off people.

This was a let down episode compared to season 2's "A Bridge Too Close" it was no were near as epic.

This was a huge disappointment and I almost stoped watching it cause it was so boring.

by **Burning Saber** » Sat May 23, 2009 7:41 pm

I don't know if i could agree with you about the episode being boring, but i do feel like the episode was changed. The ending seemed really quick. I think it would have been better if they could have done this as a three part episode. They would have been able to add a lot more to give us some answers or finalised minor plot points. Sari believing there was a reason for her to go to the moon really didn't make sense at all and wasn't followed up on. It is almost like they tried to wrap up the series using what little episode time was left. Which makes sense given that it looks like Season 4 was pulled halfway through production and Endgame was going to be the series finale.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mitchsantona · by **mitchsantona** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:21 pm

Rodimus2006 wrote:I was really let down with Endgame both parts were so dull it is like they were asleep or just plan lazy in making this episode.

This really didnt do anything for closure and left more answers than questions.

Also the full aspects or the whole truth about Sari still wasnt all the way revealed but we did get a big hint on it that could fill in the gap.

Let me try this theory on you guys: For Starters she a weapon of lasts resorts sort of like Omega is she was placed on Omega for safe keeping. But during the Autobots encounter with the Ark the Autobots crashed landed into the 5 Great Lakes. Just before the Autobots were forced to crash land some of the ships systems went off line and the protoform chamber that is Sari now ejected from Omega and crashed landed.

But that dosent make since cause Sumdac didnt even have his lab constructed yet and was living in a Farming house of sorts so I guess that nixes my theory.

But it could have something to do with Lockdown maybe he stoled the protoform for Megatron but somehow it got from Lockdowns ship and crashed landed in Sumdacs lab

If this is truly the end for animated I mean no season 4, series-spin offs or a coninuation as a trilogy they will be some pissed off people.

This was a let down episode compared to season 2's "A Bridge Too Close" it was no were near as epic.

This was a huge disappointment and I almost stoped watching it cause it was so boring.

The whole episode was action. So much so that they didn't have the time to fill in plot holes. I don't agree with it being boring at all, but I do agree that a little more closure on the Sari issue would have been nice.

News Credits: 5 · by **Rodimus2006** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:21 pm

I wasnt really bored but I was really let down. This seemed like a rushed job and I have no idea why they made it they way they did still leaving us so many unanswered questions.

So the next question is what is next for the transformers franchise and how long do we have to wait until something new comes back on once again.

People keeps saying something will happen at Botcon, but what if nothing will happen at botcon and nothing is announced at botcon what will happen then.

Also if I rememebered didnt Botcon air on G4 last year or was that comic-con.

I know E3 will be on in June.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:24 pm

Rodimus2006 wrote:So the next question is what is next for the transformers franchise and how long do we have to wait until something new comes back on once again.

I have a feeling something big is coming out next month. Call it a hunch.

News Credits: 2 · by **Random** » Sat May 23, 2009 9:51 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Rodimus2006 wrote:So the next question is what is next for the transformers franchise and how long do we have to wait until something new comes back on once again.

I have a feeling something big is coming out next month. Call it a hunch.

Ok, who doesn't know "something big"...aka ROTF is coming next month?

...

...that's what I thought.

To get back to what Rodimus2006 was saying...

Hopefully, we'll have something more concrete and less wild speculation following Botcon. Just have to be patient. I'm hoping for something to follow the continuity of Animated, but honestly, I'll take what I can get of my favorite franchise.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:07 pm

Well, we do know that what's coming after ROTF will have something to do with the Discovery Channel. Which is not likely to be tied with Animated as CN holds that series and it's story and stuff.

Whatever's after ROTF will likely be something new like another revamp, as RiD, Armada, (Cybertron), the first Bay movie, and Animated were.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:09 pm

Shadowman wrote:
Rodimus2006 wrote:So the next question is what is next for the transformers franchise and how long do we have to wait until something new comes back on once again.

I have a feeling something big is coming out next month. Call it a hunch.

He obviously meant whats new series wise, you don't need to be a jerk about it.

by **dabattousai** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:48 pm

They might do a series sequal to Animated ala Energon and have a completely new animation direction and story. I hope that is the case. Guess we'll know by Botcon hopefully.

by **BWDinobot** » Sat May 23, 2009 11:25 pm

Anyone else feel like the look and smile Prowl gave Jazz just before he merged his spark with the Allspark fragments was very similar to Professor X (Patrick Stewart)'s in X3 just before he was killed by the Dark Phoenix?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat May 23, 2009 11:52 pm

Rial Vestro wrote:sence in this series the Magnus Hammer is the Matrix.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:31 am

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Rial Vestro wrote:sence in this series the Magnus Hammer is the Matrix.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

It's similar to the matrix in some ways. Its powerful and symbolizes leadership. Sentinel wanted it when he made himself Magnus, so if there's anything in Animated that's an Autobot doohickey of leadership, it's the hammer.

by **Tristar** » Sun May 24, 2009 12:41 am

I think that Ultra Magnus has been the military leader of the Autobots for so long people just saw the hammer as symbol of the office of Magnus and ultra Magnus got tired of correcting mechs all the time and just let them call stormbringer(his hammer) the Magnus hammer. mind you those are just my thoughts on the matter.

News Credits: 5 · by **Rodimus2006** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:15 am

I wasnt talking about the revenge movie coming out at the end of June when I asked about what is next for the transformers franchise.

What I mean is what is next for the animated franchise what will be the next in the toon series not the next movie such as revenge everyone knows about revenge.

What I wanna know is what is the next series after animated will it conintue on as season 4 or will we get something new nothing to do with animated if so what will it be about and what transformers will be in this new series.

Like everyone says nothing well be know until bot con which at the end of the month.

I am just worryied about nothing being said at all I dont mean to be negative I am just taking percautions about it.

What bugs me nothings has been seen on IGN about animated but other series like Wolverine, Iron Man and Spiderman are always on there.

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:18 am

Shadowman wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:So, are the Starscream-clones, the constructicons, and Weird Al dead now????

I want another 10 seasons of this!!!

If it killed Starsream, it stands to reason that they died too.

Not true. Prowls line before his death indicated that there were still more AllSpark fragments but he just didn't have the energy to gather the rest of them. So there could thearetically still be AllSpark powered Autobots and Decepticons running around on Earth. Starscreams the only one we know for sure is dead, the rest could be dead but sence they didn't die on camera and given Prowls comment they could still be alive.

Also, Optimus had the Matrix, and it was chained around his neck like Galvatron.

Nope he had something that LOOKED like the G1 Matrix and was put there as a fan nod just like everything else in the series but there's no idication that it was actully the Matrix sence this series seems to have replaced it with the Magnus Hammer.

It's basically like the Matrix in Beast Wars, it looks like the Matrix but is actully NOT the Matrix.

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:30 am

Name_Violation wrote:So assuming everyone with an all-spark fragment is dead, Black Arachnia and Waspnator are the only unresolved endings. and Sari's origin.

Sari's Origin was exsplained allthough they didn't make a huge deal about it. All they did was have Bulkhead say "Sari I think you should see something." and then as they were looking at the Protoforms Sari saying "So this is where I came from, I knew there was a reason I was supose to come here." End of Sari's Origin. Her entire origin story for the episode consisted all of 2 lines.

It seems Rodimus2006 missed it as well with his COMPLETLY off track theorie of where Sari came from.

Rewatch the episode, it's verry short but it's there. I really wish they did more to exspalin Sari but sence they didn't I'm going to.

Lockdown stole all the Protoforms that Prowl was supose to be guarding, all but 1. That's the Protoform Prowl used to try and save master Yokatron. The Protoforms were all abord Megatron's flag ship which Starscream some how managed to crash on the moon off camera despite the fact he was screaming like a little girl as he was flying into the sun on camera. In the crash a few of the Protoforms must have broke loose from the ship and crashed on Earth. One of thoughs protoforms was Sari. I'm only guessing there were others because I highly doubt that Sari would be the ONLY Protoform that Starscream lost.

Here's an interesting twist on things, you know how they had to use Protoforms in Starscream's new body and the Lugnut Supremes? What if the AllSpark powered characters on Earth allso formed from Protoforms. I mean, lets take Wreck-Gar or Dirtboss for example. AllSpark fragment bonding random crap togeather to form robots. Well I can kinda see that sence Dirtboss takes the shape of the Headmaster unit in robot mode but what about Wreck-Gar. How did a pile of garbage form into a robot? I think there was a proform burried under that garbage and the AllSpark bonded with that and scaned a nearby garbage truck for his alt mode. Makes a little more sence than random garbage comming to life.

There's allso the matter of Soundwave who was seen back as a casset same as the end of Sound and Fury only this time being carreyed off by, was it Laserbeak or Ratbat? One of the two so he could come back. Even if all the AllSpark characters died which I don't think they did that wouldn't effect Soundwave sence he was powered by an AllSpark fragment. Neither were the Dinobots who allso are still on Earth.

Soundwave and the Dinobots were designed by Megatron, built by Issac, and made sentiant by Sari's key back in season 1 before the AllSpark "dissburst"

Allso if you think about it, Omega Supreme was brought back online by AllSpark fragments so that allso goes to prove that not all the AllSpark powered characters are dead because if Omega Supreme didn't still have at least a few AllSpark fragments in him I think he'd go back into his modified Stasis mode. (Megatron removed a few of them but don't think he got them all.)

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:36 am

Shadowman wrote:
Dead Metal wrote:No, Prowl and Jazz were only summoning AllSpark fragments, not Sparks in general.
I know, I was referring to the allspark bots you guys where mentioning, that's why I quoted you.

I see. When you say "bots" you have to be more specific.

I knew what he was talking about just by reading the quotes that were included with his post. The entire conversation was about the AllSpark powered bots.

by **Rial Vestro** » Sun May 24, 2009 1:45 am

Tristar wrote:Bulkhead and Bumblebee are stupid but, there not that stupid...(the Scene where Shockwave once more takes the form of Longarm...)

That was sarcasum, did you not notice that Shockwave was never seen after that till the verry end when he was in stasis cuffs.

They weren't being stupid they were being sarcastic.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 24, 2009 2:43 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Rial Vestro wrote:sence in this series the Magnus Hammer is the Matrix.

I'm not sure I agree with that.

It's similar to the matrix in some ways. Its powerful and symbolizes leadership. Sentinel wanted it when he made himself Magnus, so if there's anything in Animated that's an Autobot doohickey of leadership, it's the hammer.

Hey you guys are welcome to your opinion, but I always saw the original Matrix as more of a mystical item.

Rial Vestro wrote:Lockdown stole all the Protoforms that Prowl was supose to be guarding, all but 1. That's the Protoform Prowl used to try and save master Yokatron. The Protoforms were all abord Megatron's flag ship which Starscream some how managed to crash on the moon off camera despite the fact he was screaming like a little girl as he was flying into the sun on camera. In the crash a few of the Protoforms must have broke loose from the ship and crashed on Earth. One of thoughs protoforms was Sari. I'm only guessing there were others because I highly doubt that Sari would be the ONLY Protoform that Starscream lost.

I didnt watch the episode yet but I gather they didnt explain how the protform ended up in Sudmec's labe???

by **Evil_the_Nub** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:12 am

I'm not saying the hammer is the matrix, I'm just saying it fills a similar role.

As for the Allspark bots, I think there is a difference between the one being kept alive by the Allspark and those created by it. Stascream lost his spark but has a fragment keeping him alive, which in a weird way makes him undead. The rest were brought to life by the fragments and may be able to sustain it without them.

by **Burning Saber** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:14 am

Rial Vestro wrote:
Name_Violation wrote:So assuming everyone with an all-spark fragment is dead, Black Arachnia and Waspnator are the only unresolved endings. and Sari's origin.

Sari's Origin was exsplained allthough they didn't make a huge deal about it. All they did was have Bulkhead say "Sari I think you should see something." and then as they were looking at the Protoforms Sari saying "So this is where I came from, I knew there was a reason I was supose to come here." End of Sari's Origin. Her entire origin story for the episode consisted all of 2 lines.

It seems Rodimus2006 missed it as well with his COMPLETLY off track theorie of where Sari came from.

Rewatch the episode, it's verry short but it's there. I really wish they did more to exspalin Sari but sence they didn't I'm going to.

Lockdown stole all the Protoforms that Prowl was supose to be guarding, all but 1. That's the Protoform Prowl used to try and save master Yokatron. The Protoforms were all abord Megatron's flag ship which Starscream some how managed to crash on the moon off camera despite the fact he was screaming like a little girl as he was flying into the sun on camera. In the crash a few of the Protoforms must have broke loose from the ship and crashed on Earth. One of thoughs protoforms was Sari. I'm only guessing there were others because I highly doubt that Sari would be the ONLY Protoform that Starscream lost.

Here's an interesting twist on things, you know how they had to use Protoforms in Starscream's new body and the Lugnut Supremes? What if the AllSpark powered characters on Earth allso formed from Protoforms. I mean, lets take Wreck-Gar or Dirtboss for example. AllSpark fragment bonding random crap togeather to form robots. Well I can kinda see that sence Dirtboss takes the shape of the Headmaster unit in robot mode but what about Wreck-Gar. How did a pile of garbage form into a robot? I think there was a proform burried under that garbage and the AllSpark bonded with that and scaned a nearby garbage truck for his alt mode. Makes a little more sence than random garbage comming to life.

There's allso the matter of Soundwave who was seen back as a casset same as the end of Sound and Fury only this time being carreyed off by, was it Laserbeak or Ratbat? One of the two so he could come back. Even if all the AllSpark characters died which I don't think they did that wouldn't effect Soundwave sence he was powered by an AllSpark fragment. Neither were the Dinobots who allso are still on Earth.

Soundwave and the Dinobots were designed by Megatron, built by Issac, and made sentiant by Sari's key back in season 1 before the AllSpark "dissburst"

Allso if you think about it, Omega Supreme was brought back online by AllSpark fragments so that allso goes to prove that not all the AllSpark powered characters are dead because if Omega Supreme didn't still have at least a few AllSpark fragments in him I think he'd go back into his modified Stasis mode. (Megatron removed a few of them but don't think he got them all.)

I really don't think that was a relevent ending to Sari's origin, its never explained how it got into sumdac's lab, nor does it explain why Sari felt she had to be there. Prowl already theorized that she was a protoform, each was excepted by them as the answer. Her seeing a protoform isn't really a logical conclusion to her arch. I still maintain, that section of the story was meant for season 4 but got scrapped to make room for the series wrap up at the end. Love your theory about the protoforms falling to earth and being the basis for the earth machine transformers though.

by **Burning Saber** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:19 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I'm not saying the hammer is the matrix, I'm just saying it fills a similar role.

As for the Allspark bots, I think there is a difference between the one being kept alive by the Allspark and those created by it. Stascream lost his spark but has a fragment keeping him alive, which in a weird way makes him undead. The rest were brought to life by the fragments and may be able to sustain it without them.

I see what your saying about the Hammer, it does seem to be a symbol of leadership ala the Matrix, as Sentinal wanted it so badly. But I don't know if you can compare it to the matrix, its kind of apples and oranges. Truthfuly, i always thought of the All-spark as the matrix of Animated, even before the refrence in endgame, which i thought was pretty cool.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sun May 24, 2009 10:14 am

Rial Vestro wrote:
Shadowman wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:So, are the Starscream-clones, the constructicons, and Weird Al dead now????

I want another 10 seasons of this!!!

If it killed Starsream, it stands to reason that they died too.

Not true. Prowls line before his death indicated that there were still more AllSpark fragments but he just didn't have the energy to gather the rest of them. So there could thearetically still be AllSpark powered Autobots and Decepticons running around on Earth. Starscreams the only one we know for sure is dead, the rest could be dead but sence they didn't die on camera and given Prowls comment they could still be alive.

I know. Thats why I made this post:

Shadowman wrote:
Tekka wrote:
Chaoslock wrote:So, are the Starscream-clones, the constructicons, and Weird Al dead now????

I want another 10 seasons of this!!!

Luckily for Skywarp, Thundercracker, Ramjet, and Sunstorm, none of them should have been on the planet, so they should all still be out there. And you never know, the ones who were on earth may have been some of the pieces that Prowl and Jazz were unable to retrieve.

Actually, now that you mention it, Prowl DID say he was unable to retrieve the entire AllSpark.