The Energon Pub

[Tekka]

If I recall, Carnage started out calling himself "we" but started using "I" as they bonded completely so quickly. Venom and Carnage were really the best things to come out of Spiderman...

Anyhoo, I quite liked the Nanosec episode. When we first heard about the "villain on rollerblades" I was horrified at how it sounded. But Nanosec wasn't anywhere near as bad as I imagined. The aging thing was just silly though, and I hope it was only temporary as he really wasn't too bad a character.

I do wish Megatron would hurry up and get himself repaired though, I want to see that yummy helicopter alt mode on screen and in packaging.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The Symbiote for Carnage was highly unstable. That's why it has all the little... tendrills for lack of anything better to call them, sticking out all the time while Venom's is smooth agenst the host.

Not sure if that can really be refered to as unstable....at least not on the part of the Carnage Symbiote.

Other Symbiote's from the planet of the Symbiote's were showen to have the same "tendrills" coming off of them and when the Carnage Symbiote attached it's self to Spiderman it had smooth look.

I would say that the "tendrills" are ether the result of the Symbiote's true nature or of Kasady's unstable personaltiy.

[Saber Prime]

The Symbiote for Carnage was highly unstable. That's why it has all the little... tendrills for lack of anything better to call them, sticking out all the time while Venom's is smooth agenst the host.

Not sure if that can really be refered to as unstable....at least not on the part of the Carnage Symbiote.

Other Symbiote's from the planet of the Symbiote's were showen to have the same "tendrills" coming off of them and when the Carnage Symbiote attached it's self to Spiderman it had smooth look.

I would say that the "tendrills" are ether the result of the Symbiote's true nature or of Kasady's unstable personaltiy.

I'm going by what they said in the cartoon. I don't actully read comics remember.

Allthough I have read some information about the other Symbiotes on wiki. I like the Symbiotes and actully do wish they showed more than just the two on the Spider-man series. Some of the others were a little more interesting including a female who's Symbiote appeared to only cover half her body as apposed to the others that cover all the way.

I think really every Symbiote has it's own unique trait and the only thing they all really share is the need to bond with a host and turn their host evil. (unless of course the host was allready evil then they just seem to go insaine.)

I think it would be a nice idea to have a Symbiote who's unique trait was not to feed off the host negitive thoughts but the good ones insted basically turning any host it bonds with into a hero. Make a good Symbiote to combat all the bad ones.

Allso I still want to see a Symbiote bond with a Transformer after seeing that crossover comic cover.

Wouldn't it be cool if they were given the rights so they could do Transformers Animated versions of thoughs Marvel crossovers? They allready got a human supervillian theme going on the show so why not do a Spider-man crossover episode?

[Dead Metal]

The Symbiote for Carnage was highly unstable. That's why it has all the little... tendrills for lack of anything better to call them, sticking out all the time while Venom's is smooth agenst the host.

Not sure if that can really be refered to as unstable....at least not on the part of the Carnage Symbiote.

Other Symbiote's from the planet of the Symbiote's were showen to have the same "tendrills" coming off of them and when the Carnage Symbiote attached it's self to Spiderman it had smooth look.

I would say that the "tendrills" are ether the result of the Symbiote's true nature or of Kasady's unstable personaltiy.

I'm going by what they said in the cartoon. I don't actully read comics remember.

Allthough I have read some information about the other Symbiotes on wiki. I like the Symbiotes and actully do wish they showed more than just the two on the Spider-man series. Some of the others were a little more interesting including a female who's Symbiote appeared to only cover half her body as apposed to the others that cover all the way.

I think really every Symbiote has it's own unique trait and the only thing they all really share is the need to bond with a host and turn their host evil. (unless of course the host was allready evil then they just seem to go insaine.)

I think it would be a nice idea to have a Symbiote who's unique trait was not to feed off the host negitive thoughts but the good ones insted basically turning any host it bonds with into a hero. Make a good Symbiote to combat all the bad ones.

Allso I still want to see a Symbiote bond with a Transformer after seeing that crossover comic cover.

Wouldn't it be cool if they were given the rights so they could do Transformers Animated versions of thoughs Marvel crossovers? They allready got a human supervillian theme going on the show so why not do a Spider-man crossover episode?

I know of 2 female Sybiotes, Scream here body is completly covered and she Venom the Venom symbiote on Eddy's GF.

There is one good symbiote, hybrid is his name, he's made out of Screams brothers that combined to form a new symbiote after they were almost killed by there father, Venom.
The Hybrid symbiote/s try to keep there host from killing!

Also Toxin Carnages son has made it his goal to battle Venom and Carnage, I love him soooo much!

And you don't have to read the new comics anyway, Marvel **** up and killed Carnage and Venom and kinda forgot about Hybrid, Scream and Toxin, I hate Marvel now.

[dragons]

I think it would be a nice idea to have a Symbiote who's unique trait was not to feed off the host negitive thoughts but the good ones insted basically turning any host it bonds with into a hero. Make a good Symbiote to combat all the bad ones.[/qoute]

there is one his name is toxin you see him in the civial war cross over in some issues toxin is the offspring of carnage and venom hes also stronger than venom and carnage put together but iron man killed canage from what ive read so now its just toxin and venom

Allso I still want to see a Symbiote bond with a Transformer after seeing that crossover comic cover.

Wouldn't it be cool if they were given the rights so they could do Transformers Animated versions of thoughs Marvel crossovers? They allready got a human supervillian theme going on the show so why not do a Spider-man crossover episode?

to episode 9 i hant seen it yet

http://www.samruby.com/Series/Toxin/Large/Toxin6.jpg

[Saber Prime]

Allso while we're on the subject.

In the Spider-man cartoon the Symbiotes would morph around their hosts bodys but the hosts themselfs allways stayed solid.

In Spider-man Unlimited (a series that didn't last verry long) the hosts seemed to morph along with the Symbiotes. When I first watched the series I thought they were suddenly able to survive without a host then later when Eddie Brock got seperated from Venom that was when I first realized the hosts were still there. Pluse their appearance in Unlimited looks nothing like anything even remotly resembiling like they have human hosts.


I think the first was more belivable. The Symbiotes are basically just liveing costumes that can change shape around their host but the host is still flesh and bone and shouldn't be blob-like.

The Animation in Spider-man Unlimited was ALOT more detailed than the previous series but that seemed to be the only good thing it had going. Spider-man in the first episode before he gets the new costume looks EXACTLY like his comic book counterpart with the webing in his arm pits. (that was taken out of most other Spider-man costumes and I can see why.) I wander was the host turning into a blob with the Symbiote a trait that came from the comics or was that new to this series? Either way I don't like it.

Now back to Transformers Animated... anyone else want to do a TFA Crossover with Spider-man? Teen Titans might be a little more likely though sence they allready have the rights to it.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I know of 2 female Sybiotes, Scream here body is completly covered and she Venom the Venom symbiote on Eddy's GF.

There is one good symbiote, hybrid is his name, he's made out of Screams brothers that combined to form a new symbiote after they were almost killed by there father, Venom.

You did forget one female symbiote "Agony" aka Leslie Gesneria.
She is sister to Scream and is one of the Four symbiote's that combined to form Hybrid. Riot, Phage, Lasher, and Agony all foem Hybrid.

I'm still not sure which Female symbiote Sabe is talking about that has a half and half look.

And you don't have to read the new comics anyway, Marvel **** up and killed Carnage and Venom and kinda forgot about Hybrid, Scream and Toxin, I hate Marvel now.

Carnage may not be dead and Venom's not dead ether.Also Marvel has not forgotten Hybrid and Toxin....both were considered "potential recruits" for the Avengers Initiative program following the "Civil War" story arc.Toxin was even one of the 142 characters shown on Avengers The Initiative #1's two covers.

Scream was also refered to in the Avengers Initiative serries.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Spider-man in the first episode before he gets the new costume looks EXACTLY like his comic book counterpart with the webing in his arm pits. (that was taken out of most other Spider-man costumes and I can see why.)

The arm pit web's is something that come's and goes in the comics every 10 to 15 years.It's due for a return right about now.

[Saber Prime]

I could see a couple of Teen Titans crossovers happening. Maybe a 2 part episode like they did with The Mask/Ace Ventura where one part takes place on one series and the second takes place on the other series.

Part 1 could be the Teen Titans guest staring on Transformers Animated and the episode would allso include a fight scene between Bumblebee and Bumblebee.

I just think that would be funny as hell.

At some point in this episode Megatron will be monitering what's going on, see Cyborg, and like what he's able to do. Then he's going to plant some device on Cyborg takeing controll over him just before the Titans return home and the show will end with that cliffhanger.

Then a Teen Titans episode will feature a guest appearnce by the Transformers as Megatron (controlling Cyborg) will take controll over the Tower locking out the other Titans. Megatron will then trick the Sumdac guy into moving his head and hand into the Tower and he'll use the technoligy from Cyborg and the Tower to rebuild his body.

Damn that's good and I just thought of that off the top of my head.

[Dead Metal]

I know of 2 female Sybiotes, Scream here body is completly covered and she Venom the Venom symbiote on Eddy's GF.

There is one good symbiote, hybrid is his name, he's made out of Screams brothers that combined to form a new symbiote after they were almost killed by there father, Venom.

You did forget one female symbiote "Agony" aka Leslie Gesneria.
She is sister to Scream and is one of the Four symbiote's that combined to form Hybrid. Riot, Phage, Lasher, and Agony all foem Hybrid.

I'm still not sure which Female symbiote Sabe is talking about that has a half and half look.

And you don't have to read the new comics anyway, Marvel **** up and killed Carnage and Venom and kinda forgot about Hybrid, Scream and Toxin, I hate Marvel now.

Carnage may not be dead and Venom's not dead ether.Also Marvel has not forgotten Hybrid and Toxin....both were considered "potential recruits" for the Avengers Initiative program following the "Civil War" story arc.Toxin was even one of the 142 characters shown on Avengers The Initiative #1's two covers.

Scream was also refered to in the Avengers Initiative serries.

Gargan now is Venom, so Venom is dead to me, it lo longer is Venom- at least not the one I love.

The Marvel homepage has Carnage listed as dead.

So yea to me there dead.

They gave the symbiotes that form Hybrid names? I never knew that, well then again I only knowe from Hybrid what the Marvel site tels me.
That with the Avengers I haven't seen or read jet, but I think I'm gona stop reading comics anyway, they **** up Spider-Man, he nolonger is the guy I bought the comics for, they changed Venom, they kinda killed Carnage, well and Panini (who runs Marvel Europe) **** up by making Ghost Rider isues 6 and 7 con exclusives, leaving me with two options, buy those two comics from evilbay for €18 or import the original US ones and break up the order I had, so I just went F you Marvel, I was a fan you **** with me, no money from me!

[Saber Prime]

I'm still not sure which Female symbiote Sabe is talking about that has a half and half look.

I actully went looking just now. I think it's Scream I'm thinking of and the image I saw might have just been used for a comic book cover rather than how she actully appeared for the whole comic like how they do half and half shots of Spider-man and Peter Parker. Or possibly how the symbiote latched onto her might have been from the side.

I think there's a toy of her like that as well.

I can't find an image of Scream with a half and half look but she's the only female I can find who looks like she has the right coloring on the symbiote to be the character I remember seeing.

This one is actully my own idea but I just came up with this idea that a scientist creates his own group of symbiotes. They're different from real symbiotes in that they start off grey in color and not haveing any personality of their own. Each symbiote will take different host but they will hold the coloring and personailty traits of their first host.

In other words rather than turning Spider-man black and evil Spider-man would turn the symbiote red and blue and good. The symbiote would then keep the red and blue color scheme from Spider-man's costume (but not the web pattern) and it's future hosts would be changed to have the same personality traits as Peter Parker.

Great way to make an army of symbiote powered heroes. Have a different super hero play host to each Grey symbiote then pass it on to a new human host. You could reform villains that way too sence each new host will only take on the personality traits of the first.

[Jeysie]

*idly wonders why an official Transformers Animated discussion thread seems to be talking almost entirely about Spiderman lately*

[Saber Prime]

*idly wonders why an official Transformers Animated discussion thread seems to be talking almost entirely about Spiderman lately*

Spider-man is Transformers related. Transformers Animated has human "comic book" villains which opens up the series to really do a crossover. It's begging for a crossover. (or maybe that's just me?)

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Gargan now is Venom, so Venom is dead to me, it lo longer is Venom- at least not the one I love.

The Marvel homepage has Carnage listed as dead.

So yea to me there dead.

Eddie will get the suit back soon enough.And the Carnage suit has already returned....its only a mater of time before the host returns aswell.

They gave the symbiotes that form Hybrid names? I never knew that, well then again I only knowe from Hybrid what the Marvel site tels me.

There semi offical names givven by the writters in there foot notes but have not been seen in print yet but they caught on due to the fans.

But Scream was not called by that name to a good number of years after her first apperance.

Spider-man is Transformers related. Transformers Animated has human "comic book" villains which opens up the series to really do a crossover. It's begging for a crossover. (or maybe that's just me?)

Well the very first Superhero to cross over to a Transformers story was Spiderman arter all

[Dead Metal]

Gargan now is Venom, so Venom is dead to me, it lo longer is Venom- at least not the one I love.

The Marvel homepage has Carnage listed as dead.

So yea to me there dead.

Eddie will get the suit back soon enough.And the Carnage suit has already returned....its only a mater of time before the host returns aswell.

They gave the symbiotes that form Hybrid names? I never knew that, well then again I only knowe from Hybrid what the Marvel site tels me.

There semi offical names givven by the writters in there foot notes but have not been seen in print yet but they caught on due to the fans.

But Scream was not called by that name to a good number of years after her first apperance.

Spider-man is Transformers related. Transformers Animated has human "comic book" villains which opens up the series to really do a crossover. It's begging for a crossover. (or maybe that's just me?)

Well the very first Superhero to cross over to a Transformers story was Spiderman arter all

The C man is back?
How?
Lol they did give them names, you know why I know of those guys turning into Hybrid? We lernd HTML in school so I wrote a kind of encyclopedia just about Venom and his breed!
It was **** huge, the biggest and may I say best looking website during class. I'm currently reworking it, translating it into English, updating it, adding alternative realety Venoms and such, like Ultimate Venom and Movie Venom, it's funn

I may be recolecting Marvel then, but just maybe.

[Jeysie]

Spider-man is Transformers related. Transformers Animated has human "comic book" villains which opens up the series to really do a crossover. It's begging for a crossover. (or maybe that's just me?)

More a slight hint that while it's an interesting conversation, it's completely derailing the purpose of this thread.

[Saber Prime]

So... Transfromers Animated... Lets see I think (correct me if I'm wrong)

Everyone hates the animation style.

Over all so far everyone is likeing the series but at the same time everyone is allso seeing a few things they don't like but don't agree on what thoughs things they don't like are.

Oh and going back to the first episode, I think "Thrill of the Hunt" made it preddy clear there's no G1 conection. Of course I still think the inclusion of G1 footage in the first episode is a G1 conection so the two completly contridict eachother.

They should really reair that first episode and remove the G1 footage. You can't show that and say it's not G1.

Oh, and I heard this weekend's episode is a rerun of "Blast From the Past" and that "Along Came a Spider" won't be airing till a week later so I might have my incredibly long sig up a little longer than exspected... Or I'll just shorten it to the part about Bulkhead hitting every car in the Parking lot. I like that scene.

[Vampir]

Everyone hates the animation style.

I wouldn't ascribe myself to that group...

Of course I still think the inclusion of G1 footage in the first episode is a G1 conection so the two completly contridict eachother.

That footage confused me greatly

[Saber Prime]

Everyone hates the animation style.

I wouldn't ascribe myself to that group...

What? Someone actully LIKES the super deformed animation? Is that even possible?

[dragons]

honestly i dont know how the symbiotes got involved in this discussion in the first i was bits and peices of the episode and there was nothing that had anything or simaler to the alien symbiotes.

and the animation style of the animated series i like it im just not crazy on how the figures look some of them not all of them but after watching the first episode i noticed prime had his trailer attached first time he transformed into truck then no more trailer and bumblebee i like him without the lgiht ontop of him when hes in car mode if prime can decide to have no trailer bumblebee should have no lights he looks better without the light just my opion personaly.


but the transformers i wouldnt mind checking out in the series together is

arcee vs blackaracnia to find out who is the tough female bot in the series and what vehcial arcee picks to.

not to sure about blur and bubmlebbee though if they decide make blur they way he was in the first movie then i it would be intersting and fun those hooking up but if blur turns out the way he was in armada series then i wouldnt blur and bumblebee bumping heads together

[Pyrostrata]

So... Transfromers Animated... Lets see I think (correct me if I'm wrong)

Everyone hates the animation style.

Naw...I don't HATE it....I have seen better, but I do not HATE it.

[Saber Prime]

honestly i dont know how the symbiotes got involved in this discussion in the first i was bits and peices of the episode and there was nothing that had anything or simaler to the alien symbiotes.

and the animation style of the animated series i like it im just not crazy on how the figures look some of them not all of them but after watching the first episode i noticed prime had his trailer attached first time he transformed into truck then no more trailer and bumblebee i like him without the lgiht ontop of him when hes in car mode if prime can decide to have no trailer bumblebee should have no lights he looks better without the light just my opion personaly.

Optimus' trailer in this series does seem to be Optinal. Unlike the last 4 to carrey the name Optimus Prime he doesn't appear the ability to combine with his trailer in robot mode and unlike his G1 Counterpart he doesn't appear to like hauling the useless piece of junk around all the time.

We do see his trailer more than just that one time though. He had it at when the Angry Archer hoped on board him thinking he was a real fire truck.

I'll have to go back and look to be sure but I think he has it at least once in each episode, it just doesn't seem to do anything other than make him look like a fire truck. When he doesn't have it everyone knows "That's Optimus Prime" because it's not an every day occurance to see a fire truck without the trailer part.

I must say though, I'm not sure about Cybertron Optimus Prime because I've never seen his vehicle mode without the trailer but Animated pulls off the fire truck mode verry nicely with no trailer.

RID Optimus Prime which I have can't function at all without his trailer. Only the 2 front tires are actully on the cab.

-=edit=-

Just looked through the toy gallery at Cybertron Optimus Prime. It looks functional at least without the trailer but you can see the windshield in the back.

And seriously, why must they give Optimus Prime a fake windshield in Robot mode? G1 Prime had it because that's actully how he transformed, that's where his real windsheild actully ended up at.

[Sabrblade]

And seriously, why must they give Optimus Prime a fake windshield in Robot mode? G1 Prime had it because that's actully how he transformed, that's where his real windsheild actully ended up at.

So that can look like the Optimus Prime character. Apparently, Habro/Takara don't think that kids will buy the Prime toy if it doesn't lok the part--head and body alike.

EDIT: Just checked the TV schedule. There wil be no TF:A episode this Saturday due to a Pokémon: Diamond & Pearl marathon. But there wil be one Sunday, a rerun of episode 4 "Home Is Where the Spark Is". The folowing wekend will finaly air episode 5 "Total Meltdown", and the weekend after that will be a rerun of episode 6 "Blast From the Past". Then the weekend after THAT will be the new episode 9 "Along Came a Spider".

[Overcracker]

Yes R.I.D Prime can function without his rear section. (His gun turns into his front wheel) Though I don't recall he ever being without the rest of the firetruck in the cartoon.

All other Primes have been capable of being trailer-less.

And seriously, why must they give Optimus Prime a fake windshield in Robot mode? G1 Prime had it because that's actually how he transformed, that's where his real windshield actually ended up at.

Its Primes signature look. Whether they really end up there or not. Its like Bumblebee always being Yellow. Or Starscream needing to be a gray and red and blue jet (bar some exceptions).

Anyway, he's not the only Prime to have faux windshield chests.
10th Anniversary Beastwars Optimus Primal had them, Big Convoy has them, Cybertron Prime has them, G2 Laser Optimus Prime has them, etc etc etc..



I liked the Nanosec episode, although I'm starting to get annoyed at Bumblebee's character. Still overall not bad, but Nanosec could have been a bit better.
Megatron needs to start getting a body soon.

Still the better episodes in my opinion have been the Premiere 3. Blast from the Past, and Thrill of the hunt.

Overall the series is not bad. I'm liking the writing, and I'm even starting to get over the funky animation style.

Can't wait for the rest of them. Specially seeing Blitzwing in action.

[Katakiyaku]

And seriously, why must they give Optimus Prime a fake windshield in Robot mode? G1 Prime had it because that's actully how he transformed, that's where his real windsheild actully ended up at.

we'll it makes sense in the aspect that it keeps the prime look somewhat constant... unlike Transmetal Megatron who had a sculpted dino head on his robot chest which could have almost just as easily been his real dino head... (only reason I never bought that toy despite all my love for bw megs)

also, as for Evil Peter from sm3... I think it was Harry from aintitcoolnews who pointed out the fact that Parker is a dork; it is fitting for the character to do stupid evil dorky things which he thinks are funny but really just make him more of a jerk. Sure it wasn't like prior versions for the black suit spidey but I thought it was an interesting interpretation. I still was really disappointed with the movie though.

and as for the TF animated style, I actually love it. I like how over the top it is. Just looking at the characters you get a complete feeling for them while the characters are still recognizable (my biggest grief with the movie was how uncharismatic the designs were, when you fail to make a giant robot that transforms into a tank memorable or have the slightist bit of character to it then I can't help but feel the people in charge are a bit incompotent)