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[Omega Charge]

Oh about Carnage, he's apparently in a possible Spiderman 4.

[Saber Prime]

Oh about Carnage, he's apparently in a possible Spiderman 4.

If you're going by the videos on YouTube thoughs are all fan made trailers. There's no offical word of any villains to appear in Spider-man 4. It would be cool if Carnage was in it though and I'm still exspecting an apperance from the Lizard. Dr. Kurt Coners has allready been seen in the last 2 movies so he should be making his transformation into the Lizard soon.

Allso someone sugested Jim Carrey to play the role of Carnage. I don't think he'd do it though judgeing by the last 2 movies. Neither of the sequills have been verry good. They both have tried to cram too much story into such a small time frame that it didn't work.

Pluse the more movies they make the more they seem to screw up characters backstorys.

Spider-man: He's supose to have web shooters that he built not actully be able to shoot webs from his hands and the spider that bit him was not part of an exsperiment. These are minor changes that I can live with though.

Green Goblin: Had a different costume but I never liked his original costume anyway.

Overall the first movie was the best.

Dr. Octopus: The whole thing about him going insaine and talking to his tenticles completly ruined his character. Doc Oct was never a good guy, he was actully supose to start off evil.

For a while because of him I thought the movies were going to make all the villains good guys to begine with and then have them go insaine.

New Goblin (or Hob Goblin as I prefer to call him as there are only 2 Goblins as far as I'm conserned): I don't think he should have ever found out that Peter was Spider-man till that verry last moment before he went to go help him. Completly remove the stupid butler from the story. That guy was just an idiot.

Sandman: I've actully never herd of this guy before so I have no comic knowage of him to compair with and I still hated him. He tries to kill Spider-man then 2 sec. later he's telling the story of how killing Ben was an accident and he has a sick daughter. WTF? I would have said this in Peter's place "Don't even try to beg my forgiveness. You killed my uncle and 2 sec. you were trying to kill me. I bet you don't even have a daughter!"

Venom: So many things wrong with him. First when Spider-man has the "Black Suit" he's able to take it off whenever he wants and he keeps it in a box. That made the bell tower scene make no sense. They say the suit is alive but they don't really show it. When Eddie get's it, well first of all Eddie is supose to be a jock so he shouldv'e been alot tougher looking than Peter but they both had the same build. Anyway Venom allways refers to himself as "We are Venom" he actully said "I" in the movie. And Venom sounded like a high pitched squeel rather than a low roar. Venom is my favorite Spider-man villain and they just completly ruined him. The only thing I like about movie Venom was the costume. I've allways thought of Venom as a Spider-man look alike so I liked the fact that he had Spider-man's costume design.

Honestly at this point, the only way I would watch Spider-man 4 is if it was true. If Carnage is in it and Jim Carrey will be playing that part then I'll watch it. Otherwise the last 2 movies have just been so horrible I don't wanna watch another Spider-man. It started out fine with the first movie then it just went down hill from there.

[Omega Charge]

I'm not saying this source is true, but this is where I saw it.

http://www.freezedriedmovies.com/blog/i ... eady!.html

[Moonbase2]

I say we stop with the Spiderman movies while we are ahead. And this is coming from someone who saw the first movie three times in the theatre and the third movie four. I love them, but I don't want to see it completely jump the shark. Same thing with Transformers. If the second movie is going to suck, I'd rather it not be made at all.

But back to Animated....

[Omega Charge]

I know this probably old news, but what do you think about the toys being released in the UK on April 4th? They're not supposed to be in Norway until August. And with US releases usually coming before the UK's does this mean an early release? Maybe in March?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/lo ... celist.jpg

http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/conten ... +May?.html

[Saber Prime]

I've desided to do a Transformers quote of the week in my sig. The quotes in there right now are just to make up for the last few weeks and after I watch next weeks episode I'll knock it down to a single quote.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

2. Someone mentioned the Cliffjumper and Bugbite refrences, what about Goldbug? His battle mask looks exactly like G1 Goldbug's battle mask.

Looked more like G1 Bumblebee's toy face to me then Goldbugs.

New Goblin (or Hob Goblin as I prefer to call him as there are only 2 Goblins as far as I'm conserned):I don't think he should have ever found out that Peter was Spider-man till that verry last moment before he went to go help him

The only problem with that is that Harry Osborn was "NEVER" the Hobbgoblin

Dr. Octopus: The whole thing about him going insaine and talking to his tenticles completly ruined his character. Doc Oct was never a good guy, he was actully supose to start off evil.

Saying never would be incorrect.He dated [kind of] Aunt May for a short while and saved Peter's life from a poision or a desease [cant remember which].

But you right...he started out evil.

Venom: So many things wrong with him. First when Spider-man has the "Black Suit" he's able to take it off whenever he wants and he keeps it in a box. That made the bell tower scene make no sense.

Why not???It's how it happened in the comics.

They say the suit is alive but they don't really show it.

You just pointed out how they showed he was allive in your post.The suit would not let go of Pete in the bell tower.

And the suit jumped up on him while he was asleep.

[Sabrblade]

It was ME who mentioned the Cliffjumper and Bugbite references. To me, his battle mouthplate does look like the G1 BB toy face, but only the part covering his mouth, not the whole face.

I really didn't like how Venom looked in SM3. He looked anorexic compared to his comic/TV show counterpart, he should've been large and muscular like the Hulk or the Thing. Instead, his body shape was more like that of Carnage. And his signature body part was kept out of the film: his tongue. Its snake-like appearance was nowhere to be found, only a pink pad inside the costume's mouth whenever he screamed was shown. Imo, the Venom from the 90's Spider-Man: The Animated Series was the best non-comic portrayal of Venom (and many other Spider-Man characters).

[Liege Evilmus]

This last episode real sucked, this show needs to keep the friggin regect villans out of it!

They just don't do humans well, not at all.

It's only saving grace, the guy turned old and hopefuly will die soon!

[Burn]

But one thing confuses me. Since Nanosec was in it for the money, and Megatron gave him Sumdac's SS#, I don't see why Nanosec didn't just use the SS# get more money instead of using it once and then following Megatron's order. Since he had the number, he could've ignored Megs and get rich fast. Why bother making the delivery when he just get all the money he wanted without having to bother with the package?

Couple of things could have affected that.

It was Sumdac's personal account, he may not have had that much money sitting in it as personal accounts are often for day to day use and not for holding large sums of money.

But the big factor is that as far as I know most banks only allow you to draw out so much each day through ATM's. And considering he used Sumdac's personal code and didn't hack it, he probably ran into the daily withdrawal limit.

[Pyrostrata]

Just saw "Nanosec".....one word: Meh.



Just another example of why squishies just do not belong in TF shows. The whole super-villian angle is just BOOORRRIINGG!

[Fananga]

Just saw it myself.
On the all a bit of a meh. Human villains, especially ones that can manage to kick primes ass with his own grapple cable dont belong in transformers.

One good part of this whole episode, BB's battle mask. That looked freakin badass.

[Moonbase2]

Prime had a REALLY bad day in this ep, didn't he?

And I loved the going into space scene.

[robofeeney]

This show'll get better near the end....

I hope.
In all fairness I started of disliking it greatly, but the thing's kind've grown on me. I'm starting to just ignore their ugly faces, that is, until The Tick (Sentinel) makes an appearance again. They must've been on something when they designed him.

And a thought on Nanosec; he reappears in the episode "S.U.V." doesn't he? So, is he gonna get super-old and die in that one? They need to stay away from the little guys with their super powers.

[NiteStar]

Just saw "Nanosec".....one word: Meh.



Just another example of why squishies just do not belong in TF shows. The whole super-villian angle is just BOOORRRIINGG!

AGREED! I just saw it too. Where are they going with this show? I know they are trying to hold out with the Decepticons but C'MON! Is this the Transformers or what? I feel bad for the kids today. They're getting cheated out of True Transformers storytelling. The Autobots bore me now . Bumblebee and Sari were extremely Annoying in this show (Bumblebee is becoming more and more so). This Megatron needs to Grab his Balls and Raise Hell and get his Body back or figure something out already. What Happened to Starscream? Where did the Decepticons flee to durring the Aninmated Movie Special? This new series lagging.

[Pyrostrata]

The only reason I think they are holding off on bringing the Cons in is because the Autobots, as they are now, would be absolutely SLAUGHTERED should the Cons come calling...They are unprepared for such Bringers of War. They have even admitted it themselves (See ep 1 of Transform and Roll Out)!

I agree...if a squishie can clean Prime's clock, what would you think even the lowliest Con would do??? Sheesh! What weaklings these Autobots are!

[Fananga]

Thats the problem with the current trends in Animation. Its been there all along but with the coming of Pokemon and Digimon etc its become even more common. Even things like Ben 10 and Teen Titans have suffered from the plague that is the 'Filler'

Back in the G1 days cartoons were simple. bad guys attack/steal/hump something and good guys save the day in Spectacular fashion, usually spending 10 min transforming/charging/powering up and only hitting bad guys once before they ran away screaming "ill get you next time". (R.I.D still used this trend over 20 years on )

With the writers these days 'realising' that kids wont be force fed the same repetitive stories week after week (except for the writers of Power Rangers who just come up with new gimmicks for the same old story with new suits and call it a new series) they invented Story Arcs. And unfortunately some writers arent good enough to stretch a story Arc over a full series and therefore need fillers which make us all angry.

[Pyrostrata]

Bah! Fillers suck!

[Katakiyaku]

not to get off too off topic but for spiderman, sm3 venom seemed to be based more off of his orig mcfarlene desing (I think, I'm not familiar with it too much but it matches up to the pics I have seen of it; I don't think the toothy tongue and drool venom really came around until the next artist took over.) Harry was also the hobgoblin in Ultimate spidey (then again in ultimate version MJ is the demogoblin... ) I would be disappointed if Carnage was in 4, his costume colors I find fugly and there are like 50 other web head villians which would be a lot more interesting (chameleon, mysterio, shocker, rhino, and the list goes on)

back on subject... why does everyone rip on Angry archer? the guy was on screen for like 5 min. Its not even like he had enough screen time to really be that annoying. Filler episodes are not intrinsicly bad, they give the show some breathing room to explore different characters and scenarios (lets face it, the best episodes of the X-files were "filler" episodes which didn't have a long story arc.) I think the human villains should get some slack, there's still plenty of time for the decepticons. Judging from the episodes descriptions, several of them may be more useful later on (Meltdown, who's episode played out a lot like a classic Spiderman villain origin, will seem to have something going on with blackarachnia )
Personally, I really hope we get to see some of the tf comic human villains, or once the decpticons return, at least some government sponsered humans who are against both fractions due to their collateral damage.

[Black Bumblebee]

Bleh.

First of the episodes that I really took a dislike to.

The human villain thing just didn't make sense. He's a guy who's so fast he can rob banks, right? So... why would he accept money for a job from Megatron? He could just zip in, zip out, and be done.

I like the fact that he aged with running. Hopefully now he'll die.

The "destronian" thing also was stupid. (Destron-ium? ha...). He's got samples of Megatron's metal right there in his lab (not just including a giant talking head and giant hand). I'm sure Megatron could tell him how to easily make more. He was able to make a giant metal Grimlock (as well as several other dinos) without any problems...

"Super speed does not equal super strength" Prowl says. And yet, for some reason, the villain is able to swing a cable hard enough that it hurts Prime.

Say huh?

They've done a character piece now on Bulkhead, Prowl, Ratchet and Bumblebee. I'm sure we all agree, however, that the most lacking character is Prime (who says "Transform and roll out" twice, and almost a 3rd time, as if to reiterate that he is OP, even if he doesn't act or sound like him).

[Liege Evilmus]

Just saw "Nanosec".....one word: Meh.



Just another example of why squishies just do not belong in TF shows. The whole super-villian angle is just BOOORRRIINGG!

AGREED! I just saw it too. Where are they going with this show? I know they are trying to hold out with the Decepticons but C'MON! Is this the Transformers or what? I feel bad for the kids today. They're getting cheated out of True Transformers storytelling. The Autobots bore me now . Bumblebee and Sari were extremely Annoying in this show (Bumblebee is becoming more and more so). This Megatron needs to Grab his Balls and Raise Hell and get his Body back or figure something out already. What Happened to Starscream? Where did the Decepticons flee to durring the Aninmated Movie Special? This new series lagging.

Just wanted to fully agree!

Oh, and Pyrostrata, they're called "Germs" not "Squishies"

[Pyrostrata]

I like the fact that he aged with running. Hopefully now he'll die.

Unfortunately, we have to see this jerk in a later ep as well...seen he comes back in ep number twenty-something....not excited.

The "destronian" thing also was stupid. (Destron-ium? ha...)

I caught that too....not very amusing to me either.


Ah well, it is a kids' show, made by Cartoon Network....Can't expect greatness as often as we'd like, right?

[Saber Prime]

2. Someone mentioned the Cliffjumper and Bugbite refrences, what about Goldbug? His battle mask looks exactly like G1 Goldbug's battle mask.

Looked more like G1 Bumblebee's toy face to me then Goldbugs.

In some scenes on the animation Goldbug's mouth plate actully does look like the face for the original Bumblebee toy. Or maybe there's a comic version that had that mouth plate? I'm not sure, I remember seeing an cartoon version of that toy head for Bumblebee as Goldbug.

Venom: So many things wrong with him. First when Spider-man has the "Black Suit" he's able to take it off whenever he wants and he keeps it in a box. That made the bell tower scene make no sense.

Why not???It's how it happened in the comics.

Verry simple answer to that, and I would think you would realize this for your self.

Bad wrighting. Up untill the bell tower scene he was able to take the suit off any time he wanted no problem so why did he suddenly need the bell to drive the suit off?

They say the suit is alive but they don't really show it.

You just pointed out how they showed he was allive in your post.The suit would not let go of Pete in the bell tower.

And the suit jumped up on him while he was asleep.

I said they "don't really" show it but I guess I should have phrased that a little differently. I ment it's not shown verry well.

In the cartoon Peter never took the suit off, it would actully morph into the appearance of his regular cloths when he wanted to turn back into Peter Parker. Eddie Brock/Venom allso calls himself "We" because him and the suit speak simultaniously. In the movie Peter could take the suit off and change into street cloths or wear them over the suit but it didn't show any ability to change shape around the host till Eddie got ahold of it.

It's like the suit is only alive when it's not attached to anybody but as long as it has a host the host is in complete controll.

Allso I hated the Peter Parker/Rickey Martain strut down the street when he was evil. That was the lamest portrayal of an evil Peter Parker/Spider-man ever. Tobby was fine as Peter Parker/Spider-man up till that point.

Back to Transformers Animated. Is Nanosec seriously comming back? How are they going to do that? If they wanted to bring him back in another episode they should have left out the whole ageing thing. He uses that suit one more time and he's going to be dust.

Allso I just looked and the next episode in the line up is apperantly set in October and sounds like a Holloween special. Seems kinda odd to show a Holloween Special in the begining of Febuary.

Oh and while I'm thinking about it, I think I'm actully the only one who doesn't like Angry Archer. Everyone else seems to want him to appear in every episode and get his butt kicked like a running gag. I hope that little segment of him was the last time we see him.

I allso don't wanna see Nanosec again, he was good for that one episode but serious if they use him again he'll die. He's too old now to show up again.

Meltdown I do want back I like him.

[Dead Metal]

1. This is Carnage



Nanosec looks nothing like him.

Aha, you seem to have forgotten all about this then!:


Cletus Kasady alias Carnage!
You can't fool me with my fave characters.

And why do people think that is a CJ and Bugbite referance?
He overheated casing him to burn read hot, then as he cools down all his color is gone and replaced with the color of burned metal.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Harry was also the hobgoblin in Ultimate spidey (then again in ultimate version MJ is the demogoblin... )

Well I cant stand the Ultimate Marvel Universe so that explaines why I didnt know that.

In some scenes on the animation Goldbug's mouth plate actully does look like the face for the original Bumblebee toy. Or maybe there's a comic version that had that mouth plate? I'm not sure, I remember seeing an cartoon version of that toy head for Bumblebee as Goldbug.

Its not really all that different anyway.

Verry simple answer to that, and I would think you would realize this for your self.

Bad wrighting. Up untill the bell tower scene he was able to take the suit off any time he wanted no problem so why did he suddenly need the bell to drive the suit off?

I agree the writting was not the best but it has nothing to do with what your talking about.

Like I said before it happened the same way in the comics.

The reason he needed the sonic sound to remove the suit was because the suit did not want to let go of him.

The suit is a living "Symbiote" that was feeding off of Peter's negitive feelings as well as certain chemicals found in living brain tissue (most likely phenethylamine) in order to survive.

As crazy as this is about to sound the Symbiote comes from a race that always devowers its host life force and moves on to a new host.

But the Venom symbiote has rejected its species habit of consuming its hosts and wanted a long term union with its host.

Even carzyer is that the suit started to love Peter in a sence and when Peter rejected it wanted revenge.

I said they "don't really" show it but I guess I should have phrased that a little differently. I ment it's not shown verry well.

Your right about that.

In the cartoon Peter never took the suit off, it would actully morph into the appearance of his regular cloths when he wanted to turn back into Peter Parker.

Same as in the comic's.And I'm very familur with the show.

Eddie Brock/Venom allso calls himself "We" because him and the suit speak simultaniously. In the movie Peter could take the suit off and change into street cloths or wear them over the suit but it didn't show any ability to change shape around the host till Eddie got ahold of it.

Maybe that was because of Peter's lack of imagination

It's like the suit is only alive when it's not attached to anybody but as long as it has a host the host is in complete controll.

Complete controll????Not at all and that was not showen in the movie ether.The suit has sutil influance over it's host.Manipulating anger and other negitive emotions.

And even thou it was pulled off wrong.....that scene that Pete woke up hanging upside down was really soposed to be much longer.

Peter was really sleep slinging much like he did in both the comic and the book.It was how the suit fed off of him.

Allso I hated the Peter Parker/Rickey Martain strut down the street when he was evil. That was the lamest portrayal of an evil Peter Parker/Spider-man ever. Tobby was fine as Peter Parker/Spider-man up till that point.

Yeah I hated that too.