The Energon Pub

[NightFall]

Check YouTube, Fansoftransformers.


If you fell asleep, that's reasonable, but all first shows, or 1st chapters, etc, are slow and introducing characters, you should give it another shot. If you missed the last part, you missed how awsome crazy evil badass Starscream is.

Remember it's not the G1 in the 80's, it's totually remake with horrid animated style, but the story and the characters are really good, even if I miss Peter Cullen take on Prime.

[Jeysie]

I've considered all that you listed... It failed to grasp my attention.

To each their own, I suppose... I personally found it less cheesy/eye-rolling than some of the TF stuff we've gotten in the past. (I love the original series, but it *is* cheesy.) The Mary Sue Allspark Key powers are the only thing I could make a major gripe about. (I even like Sari herself once you factor the Key out of the equation, which is saying a lot since usually TF little kids are completely irritating.)

And I agree with NightFall... if you missed the last 20 minutes, you missed one awesome battle. Starscream could always talk the talk, but now he can walk the walk, too. Listening to him chewing the scenery with trash-talking and villainous monologuing, while proving he can back it up by simultaneously blasting the hell out of Detroit and the Autobots was both incredibly entertaining and suspenseful at the same time.

[Mechabreaker]

Yeah, Starscream is more aggressive in this seires than in the original G1 series. And Prowl is a bit of a douche, he will take some getting used to. I can't wait 'til the dinobots and Jazz make their debuts!

[IscreamforStarscream]

After rewatching the final scene on youtube, I can finally remember why Starscream is my favorite character. i was so dissapointed that he had barely any screentime on the TF live action movie. But Starscream is back, err dead. But he sure did leave a huge mark.

Someone already said it. He did all this damage, himself. imagine the whole decepticon army!

lol, every time I heard SS talking, I thought in my head, "Spongescream Starpants." I loved his voice.

[Tekka]

He isn't dead though is he? I'm sure he was in the synopses for later episodes.

[Sabrblade]

I'm pretty sure he's alive. He wasn't shown to be killed like Prime. He just vanished in a flash of light.

[Briggs]

Hey it's great if you don't like it,but please don't spout off about how it sucks and word your messages as if you think it's below you to watch, as a human being, implying that those of us that do like it are lower then you.

Quite a few people pulling that off around here, wonder if you'd mouth off like that in front of someone who said they liked it?

It's an amazing show, we are lucky we got antoher series since Beast Wars where it actually looks like they care what is being made and put out there. I get this vibe from watching it that..

A) Hasbro wants lots of money, so they worked their butts off to make something good for a tv series

B) The people writing/directing/drawing/animating/voice acting actually sound like they want to be there too, and that itjust *sounds* like they know what they are doing.

I couldnt stand that ARmada/RID/Whatever stuff because the only voice that really souded like he wanted to be there was Chalk, and that was when he was probably thinking "well, i think i am done for transformers after this"

[Briggs]

I'd love to have a sit down 1 on 1 conversation with Kryptoniteking to explore his inner psyche to understand how he actually works, you are THAT intriguing (odd) of a person that I want to do that.

Unless, all that garbage you spout off is actually your personal, non professional ad non important opinion, then it's ok.

[NuclearConvoy]

does ANYONE know...where i can get the WHOLE thing in torrents?...cause i downloaded one but it was only half of it

http://www.bitt.tv has the full vid torrent, but you'll need toregister before the new year when they go invite only (free to register)

[Jazzz]

I'm okay with you not liking it and telling us why you don't like it.
But calling it a piece of crap and making funs of the fans who like it is going too far!

[Kup98ss]

I liked the art style. It's not my first choice but I like it alot more than I thought I would.
I just wish Blitzwing had atleast 1 good looking face out of his three. I think the rest of him looks fine but I just can't get over his fugly face.

[Code3]

Not bad...I actually watched the entire episode on youtube since I missed out on TV...Im a HARDCORE G1 FAN, so this was not as GAY as I thought it would be....the girl is stupid, get rid of her, and introduce some more characters and the concepts has potential, but its still not G1!!!! Overall, Ill give it a 6 out of 10!

[Sabrblade]

I just wish Blitzwing had atleast 1 good looking face out of his three.

In this pic he has a face that doesn't match the others:


Here are the others for a comparison:

[Frostic_Prime]

After watching it another time, I realized how exciting it is to have a Beast Wars character in the series. After growing up seeing a few G1 and being a huge fan of the Beast Era, I found that a tie in to this series would be great. I also love the voice of Blackarachnia, Cree Summer who also voices Susie from Rugrats; it has a raspy edgy side to it. Sexy yet deadly.

Any guesses on how (if any) Blackarachnia will be tied into Beast Wars/Machines?

[Frostic_Prime]

I just wish Blitzwing had atleast 1 good looking face out of his three.

In this pic he has a face that doesn't match the others:


Here are the others for a comparison:

I'm pretty sure that's supposed to be the Arnold face (the second one). Wasn't that picture just a promo pic anyway. It wasn't from an actual shot of the show.

[Burn]

The guys that are pissed of at this show don't need to watch it.
But they will keep watching it just so they can bitch about it.

Cry me a river ...

As a fan of the franchise for over 20 years (or even 20 days) i'm entitled to express my opinion of it. If that opinion is negative then so be it. If I have to sit here and read a hundred people spooging about how great it is then those should have to sit here and read people spooging about how bad it is.

'cause you know, that's how DISCUSSION BOARDS work.

If we don't like it we don't have to watch it? True. If you don't like what you're reading then don't read it either.

So you can either accept that there are some people out there who have a different opinion to yours (and that doesn't make them wrong) or you can simply stick your head in the sand and ignore them.

But I just had to say, I'm a bit... bemused by people who seem to be knocking the show *solely* on the animation style. I don't like it much either, but I consider characterization/dialogue, story/plot, and voice acting much more important, and there I have very little complaint.

That animation style doesn't do the TF's justice. They don't look like robots at all. They are not aesthetically pleasing to my eyes, and THAT is why even if it was the greatest thing written with amazing characterisation (which I highly doubt will happen except for 1 or 2 characters), it will simply be too hard to watch as I can't accept them as Transformers when they simply look like badly drawn generic robots.

[Frostic_Prime]

Not bad...I actually watched the entire episode on youtube since I missed out on TV...Im a HARDCORE G1 FAN, so this was not as GAY as I thought it would be....the girl is stupid, get rid of her, and introduce some more characters and the concepts has potential, but its still not G1!!!! Overall, Ill give it a 6 out of 10!

I don't think it is intended to be "G1", if anything it accommodates to older G1 fans with their attempts to use references to it and little bits of homage. You have to remember this show is on Cartoon Network meaning it has to please their audience--being that their audiences are mostly adolescence and pre-teens, making it feel "G1" is not their top priority. I understand where your coming from though, it would be great to revitalize a show as a G1 redo.

[Jeysie]

That animation style doesn't do the TF's justice. They don't look like robots at all. They are not aesthetically pleasing to my eyes, and THAT is why even if it was the greatest thing written with amazing characterisation (which I highly doubt will happen except for 1 or 2 characters), it will simply be too hard to watch as I can't accept them as Transformers when they simply look like badly drawn generic robots.

Well, admittedly I'm atypical in that visuals are pretty low on my priority totem pole. I won't watch something that's pretty but otherwise mediocre, but I will forgive mediocre visuals if the rest of it is enjoyable.

But even if I did care more about visuals, I'd still find some of the opinions here bewildering. If you don't like the writing/dialogue/etc. then that's fine... but the people who seem to have their complaints all about the look of the series, well, it seems rather shallow. Is eye candy really that important?

And you can't even argue that the animation itself is *sloppy*, either. Like the style or not, IMHO it's still drawn with good consistency.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

As far as I know there has been a tf lineup released every years since 1984 in one form or another. They never went away, just dropped off of some peoples radar.

Believe me the toys went away for awhile here in the States.

Transformers were only off the toy shelfs for just over 2 years in the U.S.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Officially, from the writers themselves? No. We have no proof one way or the other (and I'd like to find out.)

The way I see it the fact that they deliberatley used footage from G1 that was largly generic in nature is all the proof needed to say its not part of the original G1 continuity.

But, if you watch the movie again...

Ratchet: "Why do you waste your time with those old history vids?" (meaning that it's content actually took place)

Prime: "All the great Autobot leaders learn from the past!"

Ratchet: "Look around you Prime, the great war's ended, centuries ago."

Prime: "But you were there Ratchet, you saw some action! What were the Decepticons really like?" (confirming he was in the original great war, mentioned in the history videos)

Ratchet: "Trust me kid, you're better off not knowing." (confirming Prime's statement)

If what your saying is true then this Prime is a bad history studant.G1 History is full of human involement and information and Animated Prime and the other Autobots had no clue what human life was.

Based on the dialogue, and the cameos (Ultra Magnus, G1 design Arcee, etc) and the Allspark looks like the Autobot Creation Matrix Of Leadership (orange/gold box with blue light crystal, handles on the sides), etc...

All that really points to is that this universe shares G1 like eliments.To begin with there have been over 5 varitions of the G1 universe's to date.......this would only add to that.[/quote]

this is a sequel to G1, 250 years after G1. This show takes place in the 22nd century, G1 was of course the 20th. century. Then these Autobots reawaken 50 years after their crash...for a grand total of 250 years in the future after G1.

Also in dialog was that Ratchet said that the Allspark was sent trew the warp gate many centuries in the past.Althou that didnt say how many the term "all those centuries" [a direct quote] has to be referring to more then 2 centuries

And before you mention Beast Wars...it takes place 300 years after G1. Animated's universe could easily take place between G1 and the theft of the Golden Disks/launch of the Axalon.

Then how to you explain how the Maximals knew about the human race but the Animated Autobots did not???

I might be wrong in the end (once official word comes down) but going based on the facts in front of us...if you can't see it as a G1 sequel, then you're missing out on quite a bit.

And your missing all the obvious signs that its not.

Ratchet's the oldest of them all, he was in the great war and remembers the Decepticons as stated before, these kids he's workin' with are either descendants of the original 'bots or named in honor of them.

If this was the same Ratchet as the G1 Ratchet then he should have knowen that the other eliment in glob of the creature that entered their ship was organic.

[quote:Animated Ratchet] "What ever it is ,it definetly has circircuritry...and .........some.....thing....else[/guote]

That something else was organic material.If he was G1 Ratchet he should have knowen that.G1 Ratchet was well awaer of the different kinds of organic life on earth and threw out the universe.

[Chevy_Ironhide]

Honestly, I watched the premier this morning and I didn't think it was too bad, until the freakin humans came on screen. Exactly like Armada was for me, some episodes were really good, all the ones without the people in them, which was very few. I know the human element needs to be there, but they could make the humans not suck.

[Solrac333]

As I've stated before on another thread, this new incarnation fails because it does not draw on the original fascination we all had with the original series.

Before you jump on that statement, let me explain. The original toys were based off of real vehicles we all would see on the streets, skies and television. How many of us can name what type of vehicles the original Prowl, Silverbolt, Starscream & Bumblebee were? I know we can all name the type of vehicles all the characters transformed into from this past summer's movie!

I (personally) can't understand why, since the original animated movie, they would continue to go the direction of "futuristic" vehicles or for that matter, basing the later series in the future. The appeal, to me, was that everything was set in the "here and now", the Autobots and Decepticons were disguised as vehicles/machines in the "here and now".

Why do you think the TF toy sales went down (and eventually away) for awhile in the 90s?

If it weren't for the Alternator & Masterpiece line-ups I probably would not have gotten back in the business of collecting the toys or watching any of the new cartoons! I mean, c'mon... Smokescreen as a Subaru WRC Impreza... ANIMATE THAT SHIZZLE!

This is, by far, the worst "reboot" of a classic!

Well said. That is exactly why Transformers was great when they first came out. This new Teenformers series is the worst reboot since Animal Wars. I will also ignore this series and wait until Transformers 2.

[Kup98ss]

The guys that are pissed of at this show don't need to watch it.
But they will keep watching it just so they can bitch about it.

Cry me a river ...

As a fan of the franchise for over 20 years (or even 20 days) i'm entitled to express my opinion of it. If that opinion is negative then so be it. If I have to sit here and read a hundred people spooging about how great it is then those should have to sit here and read people spooging about how bad it is.

'cause you know, that's how DISCUSSION BOARDS work.

If we don't like it we don't have to watch it? True. If you don't like what you're reading then don't read it either.


I never said any thing about you not likeing it.
I was just saying that most of these people crying about it are going to do what they always do. They are going to keep watching it even though they "hate it". And they are going to keep bitching about it.
I hated RID and Armada so I quit watching them.
Hate it all you want. It doesn't bother me.

[Burn]

But it must bother you.

You're bitching about those bitching about it.

Some people might continue to watch it in the hopes that it will improve. Does that mean though they shouldn't have a say about it because it's "bitching" when if they don't like it they should just stop watching it?

[Kup98ss]

For the most part that is how it works. Why watch some thing if it sucks.
Baseball sucks so I don't watch it. Even though I used to love it in the late 80's. But what if I kept watching it just so I could go on the internet and tell people in Baseball forums how lame their hobby/obsession was. Now that wastes every bodys time.