The Energon Pub

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, when in the episode did Prime die/nearly die? I don't remember it at all!

How could you miss it?????He turned grey and every thing.It was right after he defeeted Starscream.That little girl brought him back.

Here watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTk7XhNjFTM

[Autobot032]

And it's a sequel to G1

There's no real proof of that.

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And it's a sequel to G1...(that one threw me for a big loop)

Honestly, I really have to point this out: The only thing it can possibly be is an Alternate reality G1, as far too much doesn't line up with it being a "sequel" to G1 proper.

The G1 footage as history reels really was just there as a nod to hardcore fanbois, not as a 100% storyline accurate piece of history.

It also saves them money.

Officially, from the writers themselves? No. We have no proof one way or the other (and I'd like to find out.)

But, if you watch the movie again...

Ratchet: "Why do you waste your time with those old history vids?" (meaning that it's content actually took place)

Prime: "All the great Autobot leaders learn from the past!"

Ratchet: "Look around you Prime, the great war's ended, centuries ago."

Prime: "But you were there Ratchet, you saw some action! What were the Decepticons really like?" (confirming he was in the original great war, mentioned in the history videos)

Ratchet: "Trust me kid, you're better off not knowing." (confirming Prime's statement)

Based on the dialogue, and the cameos (Ultra Magnus, G1 design Arcee, etc) and the Allspark looks like the Autobot Creation Matrix Of Leadership (orange/gold box with blue light crystal, handles on the sides), etc...this is a sequel to G1, 250 years after G1. This show takes place in the 22nd century, G1 was of course the 20th. century. Then these Autobots reawaken 50 years after their crash...for a grand total of 250 years in the future after G1.

And before you mention Beast Wars...it takes place 300 years after G1. Animated's universe could easily take place between G1 and the theft of the Golden Disks/launch of the Axalon.

I might be wrong in the end (once official word comes down) but going based on the facts in front of us...if you can't see it as a G1 sequel, then you're missing out on quite a bit.

Ratchet's the oldest of them all, he was in the great war and remembers the Decepticons as stated before, these kids he's workin' with are either descendants of the original 'bots or named in honor of them.

It's a G1 sequel until proven otherwise. No, I cannot explain Black Arachnia's presence in the show, but they may explain that at some point. In fact, her head looks a little bit like her TMII design. Or they could be doing what was done with Superman...

Superman: The Movie
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Superman Returns
(effectively cutting Superman III and IV: The Quest For Peace out of the movie universe)

My guess is, this is a sequel to G1 and they're cutting BW/BM out of the mythos.

As I said, if I'm proven wrong, more power to ya. Until then, I'm holding firm that this is a G1 sequel. (albeit a little skewed)

[moonie]

My friend had a good observation after watching the premiere:


"Look what ONE Decepticon does to Detroit.....Imagine what will happen when there are THREE or FOUR...or even TEN of em!"


stock footage of Hiroshima comes to mind!

They did say the Cons would be a "real threat" this time.
Lets hope it plys through as such.

from the looks of it, they're dead serious. no more overblown plans to steal the earth's energy.

[Ravage XK]

I watched the show this morning and despite expecting to hate it, I didn't.

I think the one thing that pulled me into the show was Starscream. At long last we have the Starscream we know and love back and he may turn out to be better than he was in G1. In the first show he (rather easily) manages to stick it to Megatron and shows signs that if he wanted to he could flatten any city single handed.

I don't really understand why Prime etc had no knowledge of the Decepticons unless these are not supposed to be the same characters from G1 but if they are not why do they exist and if this show is supposed to fit in with the G1/BW era then G1 Prime still exists somewhere and the people of Earth knew about them.

Confusing points and strange designs aside, I enjoyed the show. The animation wasn't what I was expecting and dreading. I was expecting Power Puff type visuals but was pleasantly surprised to see some real effort and though had gone into some sequences. It was written with some good humour.

Think I am going to enjoy this shows run.

[Chaoslock]

Ratchet's the oldest of them all, he was in the great war and remembers the Decepticons as stated before...

Funny thing that he couldn't remember the hole he had in his chest what Megatron blasted there...
But, speaking of Megatron... Galvatron.
That the Animated would be some kind of G1 continuity bleeds from more wounds than unifying the Unicron trilogy.
Grimlock, Slag and Swoop will only be created in episode 6.


This could be a parallel Universe, where the autobots could sewer the decepticon uprise earlier, so the energon shortage is a much smaller problem.

[Kryptoniteking]

The attempt to tie it into G1 with the reference to the "Great War" and snippets of the G1 cartoon was nothing but a giant fanwank to get a bunch of G1 fanboys excited. There is simply no way this could tie into G1 at all. There were just way too many plot holes throughout the premiere to connect Animated to G1.

YES! Finally someone gets what I'm saying, though more negatively put. I loved what I saw, unlike Burn.

No offense to anyone.

Yet, you prove Burn right about why those references are there. All the G1 snippets did was get the majority of people thinking that this new crap shows storyline is connected to the original. Throwing in Spike and family reinforced the thought that it is. The most important thing is... For the most part... That's pretty much what all the praisers of this new show talk about.

The story was slow.

The "nanotech" monster battle was way too long and drawn out.

The majority of the voices cast don't work with the characters (including the failed attempt to sound like Chris Latta).

Most important, the new simplified renderings and animation sucks.

The style works for "Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go" but not for the Transformers...

I'm sorry but I've got to show my hate for the show.

[Burn]

Ratchet's the oldest of them all, he was in the great war and remembers the Decepticons as stated before...

Funny thing that he couldn't remember the hole he had in his chest what Megatron blasted there...
But, speaking of Megatron... Galvatron.
That the Animated would be some kind of G1 continuity bleeds from more wounds than unifying the Unicron trilogy.
Grimlock, Slag and Swoop will only be created in episode 6.


This could be a parallel Universe, where the autobots could sewer the decepticon uprise earlier, so the energon shortage is a much smaller problem.
The year

Thing to remember is this is just a whole new continuity, it's NOT a continuation of G1 as people are hoping and believing it to be. The G1 clips, the Spike/Carly/Daniel cameo, they're just there to give GeeWunner fanboys something to fap over.

[Kryptoniteking]

As I've stated before on another thread, this new incarnation fails because it does not draw on the original fascination we all had with the original series.

Before you jump on that statement, let me explain. The original toys were based off of real vehicles we all would see on the streets, skies and television. How many of us can name what type of vehicles the original Prowl, Silverbolt, Starscream & Bumblebee were? I know we can all name the type of vehicles all the characters transformed into from this past summer's movie!

I (personally) can't understand why, since the original animated movie, they would continue to go the direction of "futuristic" vehicles or for that matter, basing the later series in the future. The appeal, to me, was that everything was set in the "here and now", the Autobots and Decepticons were disguised as vehicles/machines in the "here and now".

Why do you think the TF toy sales went down (and eventually away) for awhile in the 90s?

If it weren't for the Alternator & Masterpiece line-ups I probably would not have gotten back in the business of collecting the toys or watching any of the new cartoons! I mean, c'mon... Smokescreen as a Subaru WRC Impreza... ANIMATE THAT SHIZZLE!

This is, by far, the worst "reboot" of a classic!

[Jaz-Zen]

I seriously would have never thought we would be arguing over whether Animated is a continuation of G1 or not.

It seems pretty blatantly obvious that this is a parallel universe to G1, not a continuation.

Humans played a rather large part in G1, so even if the Decepticons were defeated and the Autobots went back to Cybertron, humanity and Earth would still be part of Cybertronian history, so the Autobots in Animated would already be aware of Earth and humans, and not have to learn anything.

And, hell, as robotic lifeforms with vast amounts of memory storage and no set lifespan limit, any TFs alive at the end of G1 would most likely STILL be alive and able to remember humans FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. 250 years is NOTHING to a Cybertronian.

So please, lets put aside this silly arguement and enjoy Animated for what it is: the closest reinvention to G1 we've ever had, but not actually G1 itself.

[Robinson]

Why do you think the TF toy sales went down (and eventually away) for awhile in the 90s?

As far as I know there has been a tf lineup released every years since 1984 in one form or another. They never went away, just dropped off of some peoples radar.

[Kryptoniteking]

As far as I know there has been a tf lineup released every years since 1984 in one form or another. They never went away, just dropped off of some peoples radar.

Believe me the toys went away for awhile here in the States. I used to buy upwards of 2 to 3 of them a week. There was a re-release of the original toys (most with slight repaints) with a few newer ones. Remember "Generation 2" and the crappy re-edit of the original series? Then they went away for a bit. For a few years in the mid 90s they were nowhere to be found. Then Beast Wars came around and the shelves have been stocked with some form of TF toys since. The toys have been going strong in Japan (and other places) continuously.

Anyway, to get back on track, I expected more than what I was presented with this new animated series and line-up of toys. I've never been a fan of "super deforming" as what was done here. More like "EXTREME Super deformed".

This new series is like watching "G.I. Joe: Extreme" (remember that piece of schlock) or "G.I. Joe: Sigma 6". Well, at least, "Sigma 6" had good animation.

[Ploptimus Prime]

Some random thoughts as I watched the new cartoon:

Great, they successfully turned TF's into a bastard love child of Pokeman and Naruto.

That show was 8 different kinds of suck.

What's with the car modes being able to "emote"? They have friggin EYEBROWS in alt mode????

I'm going to treat this show like I treated the fast action battlers toys... like it doesn't exist.

Hasbro was thinking purely in terms of market share on this one... instead of whether or not it was executed properly, or even a good idea at all. This move ranks right up there with the attempt to make the Looney Tunes characters more "edgy" in that new cartoon. Fail.

I really liked the idea of anime and anime styling in the early 1990's when it was fresh and new to American eyes, but now it just makes me want to throw up a little. To me it's like this... imagine if, back in the 80's during the G1 show, that they had drawn it in the same style as, say, the "care bears". That's how I feel about what they've done with the new show. I don't need my huge transforming robots to be cracking jokes every 3 seconds. Just break stuff already.

[Sabrblade]

Anyway, to get back on track, I expected more than what I was presented with this new animated series and line-up of toys. I've never been a fan of "super deforming" as what was done here. More like "EXTREME Super deformed".

"Super-Deformed"?!! As far as I could tell, they weren't SD'ed, imo. SD'ed is when one has a big head, small torso of equal size to the head, short arms, big feet, short/no legs, and no neck.

These were very lanky designs, though some like Bulkhead, Megs, and Lugnut were bulky but not SD'ed.

SD'ed TFs are like Robot Heroes, and some other stuff done in RiD during Sky-Byte's fantasies.

[.op.]

I just saw the premeire of the new show and I thought it was pretty good. Just looking as a transformers fan and trying not to go to into it. The first thing I thought when watching this is that these writers actually get it. Unlike the Unicron Trilogy this cartoon can appeal to what made transformers my favorite show when I was a kid.

Even though also I was suprised to see the G1 clips at the beginning I did not think they were trying to tell us that this is in anyway connected to the G1 universe. Not at all. From what I read about it I got the idea that they were basically telling us in this very small part of the show that they are taking the transformers back to their roots, and also to tell us that these are actual transformer fans that grew up during the original show, and want to make this one the best that it can be. Personally I think they did a adequit job with the premeire. I want to see what else they have in store for us in the later episodes.

[Kup98ss]

I just saw the premeire of the new show and I thought it was pretty good. Just looking as a transformers fan and trying not to go to into it. The first thing I thought when watching this is that these writers actually get it. Unlike the Unicron Trilogy this cartoon can appeal to what made transformers my favorite show when I was a kid.

Even though also I was suprised to see the G1 clips at the beginning I did not think they were trying to tell us that this is in anyway connected to the G1 universe. Not at all. From what I read about it I got the idea that they were basically telling us in this very small part of the show that they are taking the transformers back to their roots, and also to tell us that these are actual transformer fans that grew up during the original show, and want to make this one the best that it can be. Personally I think they did a adequit job with the premeire. I want to see what else they have in store for us in the later episodes.

Agree.
I enjoyed it very much. Take it for what it is, not what you think it should be. It was a very good show.

The guys that are pissed of at this show don't need to watch it.
But they will keep watching it just so they can bitch about it.

[NuclearConvoy]

The guys that are pissed of at this show don't need to watch it.
But they will keep watching it just so they can bitch about it.

And, ain't that the sad depressing truth.

[Sabrblade]

Well, one can't make fun of something if they don't know anything about it.

I learned that the hard way back when I had to write a report for school and one of the optional topics was "The most Stupidest TV Show". I chose The Teletubbies and had to do some research to find stuff I could bash about it. Did'ya know that the actors in those 10-foot-tall costumes have to remove the heads every ten minutes due to Carbon Dioxide build up?

[Kup98ss]

Well, one can't make fun of something if they don't know anything about it.

I learned that the hard way back when I had to write a report for school and one of the optional topics was "The most Stupidest TV Show". I chose The Teletubbies and had to do some research to find stuff I could bash about it. Did'ya know that the actors in those 10-foot-tall costumes have to remove the heads every ten minutes due to Carbon Dioxide build up?

[Kryptoniteking]

These were very lanky designs, though some like Bulkhead, Megs, and Lugnut were bulky but not SD'ed.

Those big "Jay Leno" chins... In my book... Super Deformed. LOL!

[NightFall]

Well, I'm not confused anymore, they use G1 vids and cameos just for fans, but it's a re-telling future G1 story, like IDW did with Hearts of Steel. I like the show, I love Starscream, can't get enough of that evil in this cartoon. True the toys with the cartoon are SD, anyone who compares the 80's with this crapy cheep style now on CN, know it's a huge let down, but it's OK for now. I care a bit more for the story and the characters.

[Jeysie]

I want to find time to watch the special a second time before I give any detailed thoughts, although my initial feeling so far is "It's like the good parts of G1 without (most of) the lame parts".

But I just had to say, I'm a bit... bemused by people who seem to be knocking the show *solely* on the animation style. I don't like it much either, but I consider characterization/dialogue, story/plot, and voice acting much more important, and there I have very little complaint.

[Kup98ss]

I think the cartoon toys look good. It's time we got some thing different.
Besides it's not like we aren't getting updated versions of G1 toys also.

[Kryptoniteking]

The guys that are pissed of at this show don't need to watch it.
But they will keep watching it just so they can bitch about it.

And, ain't that the sad depressing truth.

Actually, it's not the truth.

I've already written the show off. If the show couldn't keep my attention, which it failed to do because I fell asleep 20 minutes from the end, then it doesn't deserve a second shot. I didn't even watch Cartoon Network's replay this morning! I stuck with the Kids WB reruns!

I was going to give the show 3 episodes to try and win me over. Lucky me! They showed them all as a 90 minute premiere movie! Since I think it sucks, I can save the space on my TIVO and delete it from the record list.

Besides, with Seibertron.com listing all the episodes with a brief synopsis for each one... I don't need to watch... The show sucks.

What's depressing is how people are "praising" the piece of crap! Even if it smells like roses... It's still a pile of crap and we all know where crap comes from.

I'll just wait for the next theatrical sequel. Hopefully, it won't get cheeseballed up like the "new" toy line or "animated" TV show.

[Tripp233]

does ANYONE know...where i can get the WHOLE thing in torrents?...cause i downloaded one but it was only half of it

[Kryptoniteking]

I'm a bit... bemused by people who seem to be knocking the show *solely* on the animation style. I don't like it much either, but I consider characterization/dialogue, story/plot, and voice acting much more important, and there I have very little complaint.

I've considered all that you listed... It failed to grasp my attention. I really went into it wanting to like this show. When "Batman: The Animated Series" first debuted, I was skeptical of it until I actually saw the awesome quality of the animation combined with the excellently written stories, won me over! I don't get that feeling from this new TF series.