The Energon Pub

[Scourgescream]

So, according to "Grill", some MECH agents may be current active duty members of the armed forces, which somewhat explains how they slipped Silas out from under Nemesis Prime's wreckage without Fowler or other noticing. Still doesn't explain how the military has Nemesis' remains, but not the remote control unit used to control it (even regarding MECH "clean sweep" M.O.).

Maybe the "military" branch that has Nemesis Prime is MECH.

Incredibly implausible. The military tends to notice things like, say, an entire branch being a terrorist organization actively working against the US Government.

This IS a cartoon were talking about though. You never do know until it hits the fan.

A cartoon that's still based on the real world.

It has aspects of the real world in it but in no way can you say this it is based on the real world! laughable

[Sabrblade]

It has aspects of the real world in it but in no way can you say this it is based on the real world! laughable

The aspect in particular that being referred to us the U.S. military, which in this series is portrayed as functioning just like the real world U.S. military.

[Scourgescream]

The real world military being in cahoots with giant transforming robots and giving them a secret base? yeah, ok. Whatever you say.

[Sabrblade]

The real world military being in cahoots with giant transforming robots and giving them a secret base? yeah, ok. Whatever you say.

Now you're just trolling. Don't jump into a discussion if you've nothing to contribute.

[Scourgescream]

No, i'm disagreeing with you.

It is not trolling.

I know you think your word is final round here but it isn't.

Do you really think that if giant transforming robots came to Earth they would only have 1 liaison officer? no chance.

Do you think that the one single liaison officer would be able to hide the fact that 3 kids were involved and then the real world military would allow it?

Do you really think that the real world military wouldn't find out that NASA or whoever had given these giant robots a specially designed suit to send a teenage child to another planet?

Do you really think that if one of these robots had seemingly gone on a rampage the the only real world military investigation would be the single liaison officer in front of one general and a nervous cameraman?

Do you really think that the real world military would be so blase about the core of their own planet actually being another giant transforming robot?

there are countless other things i could mention to show that the way they act in the cartoon is not how the real world military would act!

[Sabrblade]

No, i'm disagreeing with you.

It is not trolling.

I know you think your word is final round here but it isn't.

What you were saying has nothing to do with what Shadowman, sly, and Archanubis were saying. Shadowman was saying that since the U.S. military is observant enough to know if a whole branch of theirs is committing treason against the government, that there's no way that a whole branch could be secretly occupied entirely by MECH spies. THAT is what they were saying.

The relationship between the U.S. military to the Autobots you brought up was completely irrelevant to this.

[Scourgescream]

I'm not talking about those posters.

i was showing examples disproving your statement that this series is not

'A cartoon that's still based on the real world"

[Sabrblade]

I'm not talking about those posters.

i was showing examples disproving your statement that this series is not

'A cartoon that's still based on the real world"

It's as every much based on the real world as the live action movies. Being a work of fiction, of course there's going to be some deviance. That goes without saying. But, that still does not dismiss that the U.S. military is portrayed in this series to function in a vein identical to that of its real world counterpart. That is what I was referring to, as my response was a part of the context of that conversation. Otherwise, my words would be taken out of context.

[BeastProwl]

So yeah, the camera man fell over when prime arrived. I loled.

[njb902]

I'm not talking about those posters.

i was showing examples disproving your statement that this series is not

'A cartoon that's still based on the real world"

It's as every much based on the real world as the live action movies. Being a work of fiction, of course there's going to be some deviance. That goes without saying. But, that still does not dismiss that the U.S. military is portrayed in this series to function in a vein identical to that of its real world counterpart. That is what I was referring to, as my response was a part of the context of that conversation. Otherwise, my words would be taken out of context.

besides a few sences of soldiers fighting decepticons, fighting nemisis prime, and the aforementioned general we havnt observed much of the military. so I don't fallow your conclusion of the 'real world' aspect you are refering to. do you mean to say that the military is just there as is or are ypu referring to something in the continuity that I have missed?

edit2 sorry was in such a hurry to disagree I dint actually read your post lol. so I is dumb.

but I do agree with scourgescream if the military would notice a large terrorist element amongst themselves they would handle talking walking/driving wmds differently as well.

edit : though they did stick them in a wmd storage facility

[Shadowman]

Here's the thing: There is a limit on what suspension of disbelief can account for. The US government having a shaky relationship with an alien species that admittedly just wants to help out around the house, so to speak, that's one thing. On the other hand, the US military failing to realize it's not just employing a couple of infiltrators, but that an entire terrorist organization is actually a branch of the US government, that's taking it too far.

Ask me to believe in aliens, I can do that. Ask me to believe the government would be okay with the giant alien soldiers helping solve problems, again, that's not too far out. Ask me to believe that the right hand is constantly trying to kill the left hand and vice versa without realizing they're both part of the same body, now you've lost suspension of disbelief.

[njb902]

Here's the thing: There is a limit on what suspension of disbelief can account for. The US government having a shaky relationship with an alien species that admittedly just wants to help out around the house, so to speak, that's one thing. On the other hand, the US military failing to realize it's not just employing a couple of infiltrators, but that an entire terrorist organization is actually a branch of the US government, that's taking it too far.

Ask me to believe in aliens, I can do that. Ask me to believe the government would be okay with the giant alien soldiers helping solve problems, again, that's not too far out. Ask me to believe that the right hand is constantly trying to kill the left hand and vice versa without realizing they're both part of the same body, now you've lost suspension of disbelief.

you do have a point there. I do suppose there are only so many plot points they can put Into a 30 min long kids show......emphasis on the kid part....and the fiction part.

[Lord Manhammer '74]

Over the years I've read, and seen a lot of material involving espinoge, covert activities, and the power plays within the government, and its assorted agencies. I doubt very much MECH is an entire faction within the U.S. government or military. However, Agent Fowler stated probably had members withing certain agencies, and/or branches. One thing that I've picked up on, is that with vast beuracracies like our own. Having certain personel, in certain plaves ,of certain agencies can get get you what you want. A certain set of orders can be sent through with what appears to be the proper signatures can get you what you want, or foul up the efforts of someone trying to stop you. Also, somthing talked about on BURN NOTICE, the organization that burned the main character, Micheal Weston, was formed from the skeltons of various covert operations after they were completed, and supposedly shut down. But ceratain parties kept the infrastruction to these black bag operation still running, and used them form an operation that functioned under the CIA's nose for years. And since Silas no doubt was part of these sort've things when he was part of Special Tactics during his Leland Bishop days. I don't doubt he has a network of operatives, contacts throughout the government that he cultivated when still with Special Tactics.

[Sabrblade]

Here's the thing: There is a limit on what suspension of disbelief can account for. The US government having a shaky relationship with an alien species that admittedly just wants to help out around the house, so to speak, that's one thing. On the other hand, the US military failing to realize it's not just employing a couple of infiltrators, but that an entire terrorist organization is actually a branch of the US government, that's taking it too far.

Ask me to believe in aliens, I can do that. Ask me to believe the government would be okay with the giant alien soldiers helping solve problems, again, that's not too far out. Ask me to believe that the right hand is constantly trying to kill the left hand and vice versa without realizing they're both part of the same body, now you've lost suspension of disbelief.

YES! Thank you! That is exactly what I was trying to get at!

Over the years I've read, and seen a lot of material involving espinoge, covert activities, and the power plays within the government, and its assorted agencies. I doubt very much MECH is an entire faction within the U.S. government or military. However, Agent Fowler staed probably had members withing certain agencies, and/or branches. One thing that I've picked up on, is that with vast beuracracies like our own. Having certain personel, in certain plaves ,of certain agencies can get get you what you want. A certain set of orders can be sent through with what appears to be the proper signatures can get you what you want, or foul up the efforts of someone trying to stop you. Also, somthing talked about on BURN NOTICE, the organization that burned the main character, Micheal Weston, was formed from the skeltons of various covert operations after they were completed, and supposedly shut down. But ceratain parties kept the infrastruction to these black bag operation still running, and used them form an operation that functioned under the CIA's nose for years. And since Silas no doubt was part of these sort've things when he was part of Special Tactics during his Leland Bishop days. I don't doubt he has a network of operatives, contacts throughout the government that he cultivated when still with Special Tactics.

Very well put. There's no doubt that MECH having some operatives planted within the U.S. military is a possibility.

But, having all of its members being employed by the government, however, as Shadowman said, is stretching beyond belief.

[craggy]

I'd have thought that the real world would have already taught you that they're not terrorists if they're employed by the government.

[njb902]

so on an unrelated note anyone wondering where wheeljack and his interstellar ship are? in the upcoming toys we have ironhide and hotshot perhaps he has been recruiting off planet. you would think after being stuck on earth for at least 3 years they would want some contact with the galaxy at large now that they have a way to.

anyone else have any theories/musings on the matter?


afterthought: for the love of (insert appropriate deity here) grimlock us......please please please I wanty dinobots.

[Sabrblade]

so on an unrelated note anyone wondering where wheeljack and his interstellar ship are? in the upcoming toys we have ironhide and hotshot perhaps he has been recruiting off planet. you would think after being stuck on earth for at least 3 years they would want some contact with the galaxy at large now that they have a way to.

anyone else have any theories/musings on the matter?

They kinda hinted that the Jackhammer's being kept at Autobot Outpost Omega One while Wheeljack explores Earth with his sleek new car altmode.

[BeastProwl]

See the new "Armada" episode preview? Would have been kind of cool if Bulkhead and Starscream teamed up. Watch it for a minute, and you'll see that's not the case. But still...
It looks like screamer got a T-cog though, busting out his internal blasters. Not that it helped him any. His head is now mashed potatos...

[Archanubis]

See the new "Armada" episode preview? Would have been kind of cool if Bulkhead and Starscream teamed up. Watch it for a minute, and you'll see that's not the case. But still...
It looks like screamer got a T-cog though, busting out his internal blasters. Not that it helped him any. His head is now mashed potatos...

I don't see any jets flying about during the promo I can find - hard to tell, some of the Insecticons look like fighter jets from certain angles. Besides, it'd be something of a stretch of Starscream - who has no knowledge regarding surgical procedures, let along any resources - suddenly could transform without explaination. Wouldn't be unusual in a cartoon, but the writers have been on the ball about maintaining continuity in this series.

Does beg the question of who besides Airachnid is trying to assassinate Megatron in this episode.

[BeastProwl]

See the new "Armada" episode preview? Would have been kind of cool if Bulkhead and Starscream teamed up. Watch it for a minute, and you'll see that's not the case. But still...
It looks like screamer got a T-cog though, busting out his internal blasters. Not that it helped him any. His head is now mashed potatos...

I don't see any jets flying about during the promo I can find - hard to tell, some of the Insecticons look like fighter jets from certain angles. Besides, it'd be something of a stretch of Starscream - who has no knowledge regarding surgical procedures, let along any resources - suddenly could transform without explaination. Wouldn't be unusual in a cartoon, but the writers have been on the ball about maintaining continuity in this series.

Does beg the question of who besides Airachnid is trying to assassinate Megatron in this episode.

Well starscream;s pnbourd the ship, Airachnid's out and about, and Bulkhead's onbourd as well, so...

[Archanubis]

See the new "Armada" episode preview? Would have been kind of cool if Bulkhead and Starscream teamed up. Watch it for a minute, and you'll see that's not the case. But still...
It looks like screamer got a T-cog though, busting out his internal blasters. Not that it helped him any. His head is now mashed potatos...

I don't see any jets flying about during the promo I can find - hard to tell, some of the Insecticons look like fighter jets from certain angles. Besides, it'd be something of a stretch of Starscream - who has no knowledge regarding surgical procedures, let along any resources - suddenly could transform without explaination. Wouldn't be unusual in a cartoon, but the writers have been on the ball about maintaining continuity in this series.

Does beg the question of who besides Airachnid is trying to assassinate Megatron in this episode.

Well starscream;s pnbourd the ship, Airachnid's out and about, and Bulkhead's onbourd as well, so...

Bulkhead's apparently trying to get off the ship, and most descriptions say he's trapped between two attempts on Megatron's life. After seeing the clip you were talking about, Starscream's the obvious second. The BIG questions are 1) Where and when did Starscream get a T-Cog and 2) Who installed it on him, since he's clearly using his transformable weapons.

[Volrathicus Baenimus]

I bet Starscream raided whatever government facility Nemesis Prime's is being stored/studied at and stole his T-COG back.

[njb902]

I bet Starscream raided whatever government facility Nemesis Prime's is being stored/studied at and stole his T-COG back.

don't forget there is a seemingly unending supply of easily destroyed vehicons......spare parts anyone?

[Shadowman]

I bet Starscream raided whatever government facility Nemesis Prime's is being stored/studied at and stole his T-COG back.

don't forget there is a seemingly unending supply of easily destroyed vehicons......spare parts anyone?

I really doubt it. Ratchet implied stealing t-cogs is something even Megatron wouldn't resort to. Megatron turned Cybertron into an uninhabitable wasteland just to he could force the entire planet to bend to his will, so that speaks volumes for his standards.

[MasterSoundBlaster]

I bet Starscream raided whatever government facility Nemesis Prime's is being stored/studied at and stole his T-COG back.

don't forget there is a seemingly unending supply of easily destroyed vehicons......spare parts anyone?

I really doubt it. Ratchet implied stealing t-cogs is something even Megatron wouldn't resort to. Megatron turned Cybertron into an uninhabitable wasteland just to he could force the entire planet to bend to his will, so that speaks volumes for his standards.

Although they think the idea is barbaric,I think under the conditions that Starscream will do anything just to survive. He's a bird who's wings are clipped,it's either stay grounded and die or do what he must to fly again and survive. Just my two cents