The Energon Pub

[Sabrblade]

Well that's all fine on it's own, but the differences and holes in the story speak for themselves.

Before I respond to the all the following, I will say that, in regards to Galaxy Force, since everyone has a new name, they can all be seen as new characters from those in Micron Densetsu/Super Link, while still existing in the same world. Meaning that the likes of Exillion and Guardshell do not have to be the same people as SL Hot Shot and SL Landmine, like their are in the U.S. continuity. However, the world of MD/SL and GF can still be the same.

Anyway, I'll answer the following in regards to the American continuity.

Sideways just Magically returns,

Unicron's power preserved/revived him after his apparent "death" in Armada.

Ironhide and kicker just dissapear (They re-appear in the last episode of the english version along with quite a few key characters and minicons IIRC)

Ironhide served aboard the Autobot flagship Iron Hope, as a member of Ultra Magnus' bridge crew, which left Planet Cybertron during the black hole crisis.

As for Kicker, who says he had to be around? This a new story with a slightly different cast. And frankly, I'm glad he left. Who needs him?

Though, Kicker's cameo at the end was accompanied by an image of Energon Hot Shot, not Ironhide (even though Ironhide would have made more sense).

First aid/Red alert comes back (Finally) And has an accent (What, did he get sent off to investigate australia?)

Coming back isn't an issue. But being gone during Energon is. As for the accent, he weren't the only one. So what?

Everyone forgets how to powerlink,

Unicron Singularity (the black hole) distorted reality enough to slag up everyone's memories.

rodimus and prowl go bye-bye,

Like Ironhide, both also served as crewmen on the Iron Hope.

landmine shrinks and changes his voice too,

A new body can come with a new voice.

Bulkhead/Springer are gone (Did he die? It's been a few years, may need to recap)

No, he lived.

And, he too was summoned to the Iron Hope, from which he was then given command of another ship, the Eclipse.

and all of the while, Starscream STILL Hasn't recovered his memories of Armada,

Who says he has to? Megatron warped his mind so thoroughly in Energon. And the Unicron Singularity was also messing up everyone's memories anyway.

And the energon combiners have totally vanished.

Superion Maximus killed Constructicon Maximus, and then Bruticus Maximus. He himself apparently died after the battle, but his eyes lit up later, so maybe he's alive. Probably went back to guarding the Super Energon like before.

One of the only real consistancys I can think of between Energon and Cyberton is the "Speed Planet". In Energon, HotShot's the one who introduced it to us in the racing episode, (one of only two episodes optimus uses his armed combination as apposed to his flight combination I might add) Then in Cybertron, he arrives, and doesn't know jack about it.

Circuit Planet =/= Velocitron.

Another thing. Wingsaber combines with optimus in Energon. Yet, in Cybertron, when they combine, they act so surprised! Why? Wasn't it like, just a couple years ago that Wingsaber was born from the nobel wingdagger and givin combination abilities? now he's a pompus ass who's known optimus (As wingsaber) Since before the series. He even has a record!

Because this combination is different from the one they did in Energon, and their memories are so messed up that they don't remember having combined like they did during Energon, and so Optimus doesn't think they can pull off this new one after their failed attempt to do so back in the Chaar asteroid belt.

I can't ignore these differences. There are just WAY to many. I accept it as a seperate series altogether. Of course, this is all from memory (Not recent either) So feel free to correct me, and I know one of you guys will...

It is a lot to swallow, yes, but attempts to rectify these discrepancies have been made. It wouldn't have been so mind-boggling, if GONZO and Takara hadn't tried to write it as a reboot and instead went with it as a sequel like it was meant to be.

The only real effect this retcon has on Galaxy Force is that now the nameless-evil-god-who-is-so-obviously-Unicron-due-to-Primus-being-his-enemy is revealed to be Unicron.

[BeastProwl]

Were can I read more about Ultra Magnus and Iron Hope? I want to connect the dots!

[Sabrblade]

Were can I read more about Ultra Magnus and Iron Hope? I want to connect the dots!

"Force of Habit".

Also, "Balancing Act" works to really fix the continuity holes more than anything.

[SirSoundwaveIV]

This is sort of late but...Shadowman, why does a highly advanced robot from a even more advanced planet that has gone through millions of years of war have to act like any human you've ever known? No one on Earth has experienced something quite like Starscream had, so I don't see why that's a legit criticism...

[BeastProwl]

Oh my god. Can we stop with the whole "I Don't like Shadowman's point of view" Thing? He's a different person than you. If he see's things differently, you can't really change that now can you? Lets not argue this thread into the ground, please? I like this thread, and I'm sure many other people do as well.

[Shadowman]

This is sort of late but...Shadowman, why does a highly advanced robot from a even more advanced planet that has gone through millions of years of war have to act like any human you've ever known? No one on Earth has experienced something quite like Starscream had, so I don't see why that's a legit criticism...

First off, leave the poor horse alone, man, it's already dead.

Second, he'd kind of have to act like a human in order to say his emotions and actions humanize him like people have been.

[Rodimus2006]

I love these kinds of threads mainly cause it is one of the best sources on the net to get cool info about an episode or upcoming characters scheduled to appear in it months before it is scheduled to air.

I dont like all the off topic stuff, or complaigning, moaning and talking about off topic not even about this thread.

I just wanna wait and watch this new season I dont wanna be spoiled anymore it ruins the suprise.

Wish I would have done that with Mass Effect 3 now I know the whole game without even played it yet. Mainly cause the forums spoiled the game months ahead of time thanks to leaks.

I just want basics info on Prime such as new characters and names of upcoming episodes.

I heard something about Ironhide & Prowl could be in Prime but unknown could be just more rumors floating around.

[Shadowman]

I dont like all the off topic stuff

Wait for it...

Wish I would have done that with Mass Effect 3 now I know the whole game without even played it yet. Mainly cause the forums spoiled the game months ahead of time thanks to leaks.

Ha.

Wait, do you mean spoilers for a game that won't be out for another month?

[Rodimus2006]

ME 3 has been spoiled months in advance cause the game was leaked from a Russian website also through an accidental early release on XBL with a rough draft of the game.

And ME 3 comes on 3/6 which I have to pick my N7 copy for my 360 playing it on Kinect in RPG Mode Female Adept.

I wonder how Jack learns how to restore Optimus memories he is almost exactly like Op except he is a human but the way Jack is and the way he acts is almost like Op.

Maybe the Key has something to do with Optimus getting his memories back or maybe Jack finds something that will jog his memories back.

Cool Orion is a 3 prt storyline cant wait to see how Optimus is as a Decipticon it is going to be cool to see how he acts in fronf of Megatron and the other Decepticons.

I wonder if Optimus will be like Starscream and rebel against Megatron.

[Shadowman]

a rough draft of the game.

Think about that.

I wonder how Jack learns how to restore Optimus memories he is almost exactly like Op except he is a human but the way Jack is and the way he acts is almost like Op.

No, no, no. Jack is nothing like Optimus. They said that, at one point, Optimus was like Jack, and the potential for jack to become like Optimus exists, but right now, the two are nothing like each other.

[Sabrblade]

No, no, no. Jack is nothing like Optimus. They said that, at one point, Optimus was like Jack, and the potential for jack to become like Optimus exists, but right now, the two are nothing like each other.

Er, Optimus is back to being Orion again, remember? Now the two are alike.

[Sabrblade]

Just watched the 12-minute preview of episode 27. This looks to be a great episode. A fair amount of info was revealed in this preview.

[Shadowman]

No, no, no. Jack is nothing like Optimus. They said that, at one point, Optimus was like Jack, and the potential for jack to become like Optimus exists, but right now, the two are nothing like each other.

Er, Optimus is back to being Orion again, remember? Now the two are alike.

Jack is like Orion, sure, Ratchet already said that, but he's nothing like Optimus. All those leadership qualities Optimus had? Orion doesn't have them.

Just watched the 12-minute preview of episode 27. This looks to be a great episode. A fair amount of info was revealed in this preview.

Nothing that wasn't already a safe bet, though. Vector Sigma is going to bring back Prime's memories, Megatron is pulling the old "Tell the amnesiac the good guys are evil" routine, probably going to Cybertron. Didn't we already figure all of that out?

[DJ1107]

I highly dobt we'll see Cybertron. At best we'll get an explanations that Vector Sigma was launched into space along with the knights of Cybertron during the great war and crash landed on earth or the moon. Thats my take on it.

[Sabrblade]

I highly dobt we'll see Cybertron. At best we'll get an explanations that Vector Sigma was launched into space along with the knights of Cybertron during the great war and crash landed on earth or the moon. Thats my take on it.

We see Jack and Arcee on Cybertron in one of the trailers for season 2.

Vector Sigma wasn't launched off of Cybertron.

The Knights of Cybertron are an IDW G1 thing.

[DJ1107]

Huh my apologise I didn't see the 2nd trailer. I just watched it and well I once again have mix feelings. So do the Autobots or the Decepticons have enough energy and resources to make a new space bridge? Starscreams back which makes me unhappy since I hate that S.O.B. and there doesn't seem to be alot of Optimus...'scuse me Orion in this trailer. The biggest shock though is that There is a Vehicon talking!

[PrymeStriker]

The biggest shock though is that There is a Vehicon talking!

Actually, Vehicons (of various classes) have spoken plenty of times before.

Some Episode Examples include:
Darkness Rising Part 4
Masters and Students
Convoy
Dues ex Machina
Sick Mind
Stronger, Faster

And for video proof...
Skip to 1:29 on this video of the Season 1 Episode Stronger, Faster

[Sabrblade]

Huh my apologise I didn't see the 2nd trailer. I just watched it and well I once again have mix feelings. So do the Autobots or the Decepticons have enough energy and resources to make a new space bridge? Starscreams back which makes me unhappy since I hate that S.O.B. and there doesn't seem to be alot of Optimus...'scuse me Orion in this trailer. The biggest shock though is that There is a Vehicon talking!

Which one did you see?

And, Gyrotron pointed out, the Vehicons have been talking before in several episodes.

[DJ1107]

I saw the second trailer
Huh. So the vehicons aren't just mindless drones. This what happens when I skip filler episodes. Now That I have seen that clip I should complain about Optimus's "moral regulation" with his team but I had G1 Cliffjumper in a crossover with this continuity capture, brain probe, & then kill a Vehicon after he got the information he needed in a fanfic I've been cooking up.

[Sabrblade]

I saw the second trailer

What was the "first" trailer? Need to be a bit more specific.

Huh. So the vehicons aren't just mindless drones. This what happens when I skip filler episodes.

Even filler episodes of this show have important plotworthy details in them.

Actually, seeing as how the first season had multiple plots instead of one overarching plot, it's really hard to call almost any episode "filler" since almost each one had some importance to a certain plotline.

[Shadowman]

So do the Autobots or the Decepticons have enough energy and resources to make a new space bridge?

Well, yeah, the Decepticons were almost finished building one at the end of last season. The Autobots, however, admittedly don't. Though it could end up like G1, with the Autobots frequently making use of the Decepticon owned Space Bridge.

[DJ1107]

The 2 to 3 episodes when Starscream was in charge I consider filler i.e. Predatory, Deus Ex machina, Scrapheap, Master & Student, Con Job, & Speed Metal. Sure they introduced the other three Con's but still. I called it trailer 2 because I thought the first trailer was when Orion was getting his Decepticon badge. I take it no one is happy with my return

[Sabrblade]

The 2 to 3 episodes when Starscream was in charge I consider filler i.e. Predatory, Deus Ex machina, Scrapheap, Master & Student, Con Job, & Speed Metal. Sure they introduced the other three Con's but still.

The only episodes that are truly filler in season 1 are "Scrapheap", "Con Job" and "Speed Metal".

I called it trailer 2 because I thought the first trailer was when Orion was getting his Decepticon badge.

I don't know what "it" is. You haven't shown me anything.

[Shadowman]

The 2 to 3 episodes when Starscream was in charge I consider filler i.e. Predatory, Deus Ex machina, Scrapheap, Master & Student, Con Job, & Speed Metal.

Yeah, that's more than three. And it's not filler, either. Filler episodes are episodes that don't advance the plot in some way.

I take it no one is happy with my return

No no, I totally missed your misplaced hatred of this show and your complete lack of understanding about it. I seem to remember you saying you were done with this show after season 1 ended. So, if you could please keep your promise, we can get this thread back on track without you coming in and making up new ways of telling us about how awful you think it is.

[Twitchythe3rd]

Now that that's hopefully over, on to more important buisness.

Will Dreadwing be a lazy re-use of Skyquake's animation model? (I haven't watched the preview, so excuse this if it's been answered).