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Sabrblade wrote:Cybertron had reached the final victory of the Planet Cup competition that brought the search for the Velocitronian Cyber Planet Key to a close
Scourgescream wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Machines had successfully brought back Silverbolt and gave him a fair chance to readjust to theMaximals
Yes and they turned him into some sort of Galactic Poultry. Plus BM was only scheduled to last 2 seasons of 13 episodes so things had to be rushed to a conclusion in which time they crapped all over the memory of BW where as TF:Prime has time to build things up.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do.
He got to see things from a different perspective. Before then, Silverbolt had never been truly exposed to what it was like to be evil (though he did come kinda close when he almost killed Tarantulas after Blackarachnia was offlined by him). The fact that the Vehicon programming of his Jetstorm persona was so powerful that he enjoyed it is what made his character change interesting. He no longer saw things as simply black and white after having seen the harsher side of war, being victimized by it himself. His old chivalrous nature had no place in this fight for survival. He manned up, got focused and serious, withholding all personal needs and desires until after the conflict was won (which he did so, returning to the same Doggy-Bot we all know near the end of the last episode). I'm not saying that it was a GOOD idea for them to change his character like they did, but that it was merely an interesting and unique direction that they went with him.Shadowman wrote:Scourgescream wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Machines had successfully brought back Silverbolt and gave him a fair chance to readjust to theMaximals
Yes and they turned him into some sort of Galactic Poultry. Plus BM was only scheduled to last 2 seasons of 13 episodes so things had to be rushed to a conclusion in which time they crapped all over the memory of BW where as TF:Prime has time to build things up.
Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do. While either one is a good idea, the switch from the former to the latter happened for no reason. In fact, I could say that about all of the character changes in BM.
Rhinox, Waspinator, and Silverbolt all had help in there overcoming their programming. Rhinox's mind was first reached out by Optimus Primal, and then later forced out of Tankor by Rattrap and Cheetor (though, Rhinox wasn't quite in his right mind when they did, seeing as how he sounded mad and aggressive when he spoke of having accepted Megatron's ideals). Waspinator had some gotten some crush on Blackarachnia that made Thrust act helpful towards her, but that didn't last very much. He then had to have that organic goop splashed on him by Blackarachnia (after having trapped Thrust first) to temporarily bring him out. As did Silverbolt the first time. The second time, however, Jetstorm had to be lured away, captured in the fossil chamber, covered with more goop, have his spark forced out, and then have a DNA scanner scan his new condor form as the goop reformatted him.Optimus Primevil wrote:Shadowman wrote:Yeah, I wouldn't exactly put what they did to Silverbolt on the list of BM's accomplishments. He turned from a fairly humorous White Knight into a jaded and regretful warrior, constantly bemoaning things that he didn't even do.
probably something about willpower. rhinox was able to overcome the tankorr persona so did waspinator (though probably preferred the thrust persona) but that it took a reformatting to finally turn back to silverbolt meaning waspinator had more processor over matter.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.
But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.
But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.
DarkEnergon wrote:I'm hoping now that Ratchet modifies the magnet for himself
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:To say that they were all "ruined" is still a matter of opinion. I never thought they were ruined. I liked that Primal became something of the pinnacle of both physical and mental strength. And if his (and Megatron's) character hadn't gone the route it did, we wouldn't have gotten such brilliant dialogue exchanges such as this one:Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Though, there's no arguing that a lot of care and competence went into that series to make it be more than what typical kids cartoons were like at the time. It took risks, went above and beyond average storytelling, and created something with an adult-like mind that neither talked down to children nor hid them from the cruelties of war.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:lots of stuff
That's not the point I was making. I meant, I liked his White Knight persona, I'm pretty sure that's why everyone liked him, and they had no reason to change that.
But the problem is that they were specifically instructed to ignore anything from Beast Wars. Damn fine storytelling is one thing, but when you ruin all of the characters, it causes the whole show to fall flat. I can't get into a story if I can't stop cringing over Primal acting like a hippie preacher.
Optimus: "Your version of harmony is nothing more than slavery. How can you have harmony without free will?"
Megatron: "How can you have harmony amid the chaos of disagreeing minds?"
Optimus: "True harmony only prevails when all voices are heard. You only want to stifle them."
Megatron: "Your way only leads to chaos, or are these the voices of 'harmony'?"
Optimus (*viewing imagery of his team fighting with each other*): "No. I've got to stop them."
Megatron: "And how do you propose to do that? Can't you see that conflict comes from confusion, which in turn is spawn by divided divisive minds. The only way to achieve true unity is through a singular mind. Are you so deluded by false visions that you can't even see my point of view?"
Optimus (*leaving*): "We'll finish this later, Megatron."
Megatron: "Ah, poor Optimus Primal. So eager to embrance the chaos, so eager to embrace your own doom."
On the other hand, David Kaye has fond memories of Beast Machines.Dead Metal wrote:Well according to at least Garry Chalk and Scott McNeail, even the voice actors hate the show and are of the opinion that it ruined the first 3 seasons, take note that they count BM as BW season 4.
And McNeil hated Silverbolt in BM, stating that it was not the same character as the original, Garry Chalk said the same about Primal.
I think you mean the art style, as the animation was just the movement of the imagery, which was top-notch. The art style was how everyone looked in that show, which gets a lot of mixed reviews.SlyTF1 wrote:That is a pretty cool conversation. But the animation for the show sucks, so does turning Cybertron organic; therefore I hate the show.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:
Optimus: "Your version of harmony is nothing more than slavery. How can you have harmony without free will?"
Megatron: "How can you have harmony amid the chaos of disagreeing minds?"
Optimus: "True harmony only prevails when all voices are heard. You only want to stifle them."
Megatron: "Your way only leads to chaos, or are these the voices of 'harmony'?"
Optimus (*viewing imagery of his team fighting with each other*): "No. I've got to stop them."
Megatron: "And how do you propose to do that? Can't you see that conflict comes from confusion, which in turn is spawn by divided divisive minds. The only way to achieve true unity is through a singular mind. Are you so deluded by false visions that you can't even see my point of view?"
Optimus (*leaving*): "We'll finish this later, Megatron."
Megatron: "Ah, poor Optimus Primal. So eager to embrance the chaos, so eager to embrace your own doom."
Scourgescream wrote:Why do i get the feeling you had that memorised?![]()
Scourgescream wrote:That conversation, though good, seemed to me that the writers didn't really know how to finish it and had Primal run off, they had him running off to help the others as a way of saving face with the audience as they didn't know how to end the conversation with the good guy coming out on top
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Nah, TFWiki didn't have the full convo. Found the scene on YouTube and jotted down the dialogue.Shadowman wrote:Scourgescream wrote:Why do i get the feeling you had that memorised?![]()
Most likely he copied and pasted it off of the TF Wiki.
As was what Megatron was in Beast Machines. He had developed a sense of rationality in that series and showed genuine concern for the sanctity of Cybertron. He had even learned from his past mistakes with Dinobot and acquired a sense of honor for his own right. Of course, this isn't to say that his goals weren't still selfish, extremist, and megalomaniacal; they still were. But he was no longer the "evil for evil's sake" villain that he had been, since after conquering Cybertron but before the Maximals arrived, he grew to care for Cybertron as though it were his own offspring and fought to protect it from what he viewed as an intruding infestation upon his state of perfection. Even though he had rendered Cybertron a lifeless dead world, he still maintained a peaceful existence in the planet. He just went about the wrong method of doing so, making it so that his was the only mind in control of his silent, yet stable, world.Shadowman wrote:Scourgescream wrote:That conversation, though good, seemed to me that the writers didn't really know how to finish it and had Primal run off, they had him running off to help the others as a way of saving face with the audience as they didn't know how to end the conversation with the good guy coming out on top
Actually that's part of better storytelling; That maybe even if what the hero is doing is right, isn't going to be right for everyone, and that maybe the villain has a few good ideas. The best fiction isn't just black and white, but with a great big splotch of gray, the villains aren't strictly evil and the heroes aren't strictly good.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
TulioDude wrote:This episode was awesome and fun.It was reaaly well written.
I love this pic:
Optimus Primevil wrote:mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.
Nothing, it's just a figure of speech.
OR IS IT.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Shadowman wrote:Optimus Primevil wrote:mrs darby's probably thinking naughty stuff at that scene. though one should ask what was the 'everything' in 'i wore heels and everything' line.
Nothing, it's just a figure of speech.
OR IS IT.
Transformers Prime: Ep 21:
The woman who loved Optimus Prime.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:![]()
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One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
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