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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby BlackMagnus » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:52 pm

Good God, :BANG_HEAD: :BOOM: please tell me Cena doesn't think he's in line for a title shot....AGAIN!
And now he is...ridiculous.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Roadbuster » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:16 pm

I think I know what will happen with the RAW situation. CM is gonna cash in when one of the champs least expects it. We know which one it won't be for obvious reasons. I give it 2 weeks. :wink:
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby God Optimus Prime » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:11 pm

Messaege To McMahon - Paul Heyman's Got Some Good Advice For WWE!

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An audience of one

THERE is going to come a time, and it needs to be sooner rather than later, when the professional wrestling industry realises we've reached that dreaded recurring period in history.


That time when one generation is moving on to other forms of entertainment and a new generation needs to be enticed to sign on and join the "sports entertainment fan" culture.

When the era of the territorial local stars gave way to the Hulkamaniacs, a new generation of fans replaced the older ones.

When the Hulkamaniacs started chasing girls or went off to college, the new era of Attitude and nWo and ECW came into vogue.

When that genre of sports entertainment ran its course, some of the fans stayed on, and a different crowd, attracted by new hot young stars like John Cena replenished the ranks.

That's why Cena is such a polarising figure with today's crowd.

Half the audience - who were probably fans in the pre-Cena era - hate him.

The other half, a younger crowd probably lured into watching the product specifically because of new characters like Cena, think he's the embodiment of a new generation of professional wrestling.

That's the generational divide, and it's now even affecting the Cena crowd.

WWE is especially at the crossroads. Their United States PPV revenue has not grown by any noticeable margin and while the international PPV, live event, and merchandising sales have picked up the slack, the core product itself has grown terribly stale.

Raw, for example, is just an over-produced, plodding show. Even the good episodes tend to drag right now.

This is not a knock on the "PG-themed" WWE. The days of dangerous stunts and unprotected chair shots are over, especially in a concussion-conscious, post-Benoit pro wrestling industry.

Yes, believe it or not, this Extreme Promoter understands the limitations in today's environment of the style he popularised.

However, that doesn't mean the show can't be fast-paced and exciting to watch.

Nothing feels young and vibrant. Even Ted DiBiase Jnr and Cody Rhodes, who are in their early 20s and are already fantastic in their roles, have haircuts and ring attire that can be worn by people in their mid-30s.

Randy Orton? Best young talent in the industry today, and yet if he were 40 years old, he'd wear the same clothes and style.

Even when WWE ushers in a youth movement, it's negated by the fact that no one in WWE appears to be playing to a younger audience.

The reason is because too many people inside the organisation are not concerned with the reaction of the ticket buying crowd, they're instead trying to solely appease WWE chairman Vince McMahon.

A few years ago, Vince came to the creative team and said: "What band should open WrestleMania?"

none of them that would help brand WWE as being on the cutting edge.

When I suggested System Of A Down, only one other member of the creative team even knew the band I was suggesting.

I would submit to you that if WWE wants to attract a new generation of fans, they need to understand what's moving pop culture today, and who is on the horizon for tomorrow.

In the same light, how is a roomful of people who only understand what it takes to avoid Vince's irritability going to pitch ideas that break through today's Attention Deficit Disorder viewing habits?

How is a group that as a whole is trained to shift gears the moment Vince doesn't relate to the concept going to be able to introduce a new, youth-oriented movement?

If WWE wants to truly shake up the system, here's a suggestion...

Find three people within the ranks who can identify with today's youth, or who at least keep up to date on the trends.

If someone says "The Jonas Brothers are hot," show them the door.

The Jonas Brothers may get 17 gazillion views on their MySpace or Facebook pages, but they don't appeal to a male audience.

What would it hurt for Vince to sit down with Rey Mysterio and say: "Come back to me in a week with an outline for the top three storylines all the way to Royal Rumble."

How can it be bad for Vince to offer someone like The Miz, who obviously keeps his finger on the pulse of today's contemporary beat, and offer him a small bonus to come with new ideas for names, instead of this moronic, counter-productive movement to rip-off other genres like Kenny Dykstra and Dolph Diggler.

Why not go out on a limb and try some creativity and unique branding so the audience can really get behind someone as their own?

Is it inconceivable that Cody Rhodes or John Morrison would have some suggestions on how to spruce up a new persona with some creative fashion designs?

Once Vince gets some ideas from Rey or the Miz or whomever, then he can take these ideas to the creative team and challenge them, indeed charge them with embellishing on the new, youthful, non-traditional concepts.

The problem is that WWE, from the conception to the implementation of all ideas is in a rut because everything is based on AN AUDIENCE OF ONE.

And that "one" is Vince McMahon.

Get some ideas from people who don't know what Vince likes and doesn't like and you may just get an opinion that shakes up the system.

Otherwise how is the current stagnant product going to evolve into a fun commodity to watch and follow and spend money on?

What's the catalyst that's going to usher in some new wave of WWE Universe-friendly fandom? Everything in the current system is "in the box".

Time to go outside that box, rope in some really radically different, exhilarating concepts and pour that WWE magical promotional formula all over it...

And end this era of the yawnfest that has now become today's product.


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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby God Optimus Prime » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:14 pm

Undertaker Appears To Aggravate His Injured Knee At Last Night's SD Taping

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According to a fan in attendance at last night's SmackDown tapings in Columbus, Ohio, Undertaker appeared to aggravate a knee injury during the dark match main event.

He was attacked by Curt Hawkins, Zach Ryder and Bam Neely during his match with Big Show, but eventually cleared the ring. He posed for the crowd and walked for a few minutes before momentarily sitting down on the ring steps before heading to the back.

"Honestly, he looked pretty bad off," the fan in attendance said. "He was sitting there like he was so exhausted he couldn't make it up the ramp. He finally walked up the ramp, but he was limping pretty badly. It wasn't a little limp, it was very noticeable."

Of course, he could be selling the injury, but he was playing to the crowd before sitting down.

As reported earlier, he recently had his knee checked by doctors and WWE has been limiting his involvement in the ring since his match with Edge at SummerSlam. Taker has been appearing on television in non-wrestling segments and has been working tag matches for the most part so that his partner could handle most of the work in the ring. Undertaker has been telling friends that his knee is still tender and that there is some soreness.


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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby God Optimus Prime » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:19 pm

Ric Flair To Accept His NWA Hall Of Fame Award Next Month

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Back in June, World Wrestling Entertainment prevented Ric Flair from making an advertised appearance at the 2008 National Wrestling Alliance Hall of Fame ceremony, where he was to be inducted. With Ric Flair no longer under WWE contract, the NWA has announced the Nature Boy will now get his chance to accept the honor. The NWA issued the following release this afternoon:

RIC FLAIR TO ACCEPT HIS NWA™ HALL OF FAME AWARD

Charlotte, NC (September 21, 2008) – On June 7, 2008 at the Philips Arena in Atlanta, GA the National Wrestling Alliance® installed The Iron Sheik, Tommy Rich, The Midnight Express, The Corsica Brothers, Nikita Koloff and Ric Flair into the NWA™ Hall of Fame. All but one living member of the class of 2008 was present to receive the NWA Hall of Fame Medal and today we are pleased to announce that “Nature Boy” Ric Flair will be presented the honor on Saturday October 4th at the RMB Fairgrounds in Robstown, TX.

“I’m happy that we are able to present our Hall of Fame honor to Ric in person. We were worried that he would never be able to display our medal with the rest of his accolades. It also pleases me to know that Ric is very enthusiastic to accept it. I’d also like to thank the Gillespie Agency for their cooperation in making this presentation a reality,” said NWA Executive Director Robert K. Trobich.

The Ceremony will take place during the NWA 60th Anniversary Tour stop at the RMB Fairgrounds. Currently scheduled to appear on the card is NWA Worlds Heavyweight Champion “Scrap Iron” Adam Pearce, King V (formally Big Daddy V), Sean Waltman, NWA Worlds Tag Team Champions Los Luchas, Rob Conway, “Shooter” Brent Albright and NWA North American Champion Mike DiBiase. The event is scheduled to being at 7:30 PM following the Ric Flair Meet and Greet benefiting the area’s Boys and Girls Club.

Tickets are on sale now at the Fairgrounds Box Office, http://www.rmbfairgrounds.com, Taqueria Jalisco 829 Industrial or by calling 361-387-9002. This special event is a presented in association with Big Vision Entertainment, Inc.


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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:41 pm

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There's a new Eddie dvd coming out, the match listing is AMAZING.

I can't wait to get it!

Disc 1:

ECW World Television Championship Match
2 Cold Scorpio vs. Eddie Guerrero
ECW TV April 8, 1995

ECW World Television Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko
ECW Hostile City Showdown April 15, 1995

Eddie Guerrero vs. Shinjiro Otani
WCW Starrcade December 27, 1995

United States Heavyweight Championship Match
Ric Flair vs. Eddie Guerrero
WCW Hog Wild August 10, 1996
United States Heavyweight Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Jericho
WCW SuperBrawl February 23, 1997

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero
WCW Nitro November 10, 1997

WCW Cruiserweight Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Dean Malenko
WCW Starrcade December 28, 1997

Eddie Guerrero vs. Ultimo Dragon
WCW Slamboree May 17, 1998

Juventud Guerrera vs. Eddie Guerrero
WCW Nitro August 3, 1998

Psychosis vs. Eddie Guerrero
WCW Thunder June 24, 1999

Disc 2:

European Championship Match
Chris Jericho vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWF RAW April 3, 2000

King of the Ring Qualifying Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Matt Hardy
WWF SmackDown! June 8, 2000

WWE Intercontinental Championship Match
Rob Van Dam vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWF Backlash April 21, 2002

WWE Intercontinental Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Jeff Hardy
WWE RAW April 29, 2002

No Disqualification Match
Edge vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE SmackDown! September 26, 2002

WWE Tag Team Championship Match
Team Angle vs. Los Guerreros
WWE Backlash April 27, 2003

Latino Heat Parking Lot Brawl
John Cena vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE SmackDown! September 11, 2003

Eddie Guerrero vs. Chavo Guerrero
WWE Royal Rumble January 25, 2004

WWE Championship Match
Brock Lesnar vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE No Way Out February 15, 2004

Disc 3:

WWE Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio
WWE SmackDown! March 18, 2004

WWE Championship Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. JBL
WWE Judgment Day - May 16, 2004

Steel Cage Match for the WWE Championship
JBL vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE SmackDown! July 15, 2004

WWE Championship Series
Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle
WWE SmackDown! April 14, 2005

Steel Cage Match
Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE SmackDown! September 9, 2005

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero
WWE No Mercy October 9, 2005

Eddie’s Final Match
Eddie Guerrero vs. Mr. Kennedy
WWE SmackDown! November 11, 2005
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Lord Grimlock » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:04 pm

tonights raw main event sucked i mean comeon kevin nashs contract is up with tna why couldnt it have been nash returns as hbks partner hhh dx i have 2 words raw sucked dudes with attitudes was great nash and hbk should have been facing jericho and cade.shawn michaels has been talking to nash.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Tue Sep 30, 2008 10:12 am

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Sheesh, use some punctuation!

Yeah, Triple H was predictable, and I'll admit, I complained a lot about it. But if Nash really does come back to WWE, why would he do it on Raw? Wouldn't it make more sense to do it at a PPV?

Like at Sunday, he can come back and help Shawn, but I am hoping Jericho retains since he hasn't even held the belt for a month.

I'm still saying TNA has the better product right now though. I'm insanely excited for Bound For Glory.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Friend of Da Panda Symbol » Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:37 pm

All MO, Good parts last night's RAW

All the parts with Batista-check!
The gender match with Noble winning-Check! And I'm not much of Jamie Noble (his character) fan but that partner was great.
The ladies match. I hope Beth dumps her boyfriend and hooks up with Orton or better yet Batista.

The horrible parts of last nights RAW

I was very of surprised Michaels chose DX, was hoping for the Rock like anything. But I didn't like the length of the fight; all that workup over Shawn's "guest" then the DX hoopla--And the fight itself wasn't longer then 7 minutes and I'm being generous.

And that awful skit I'm sure it was the Miz & Morrison did it. I agreed with Lawler, it wasn't funny.

This part not involving the Raw content. Did anyone other than me get tired of the Lawler and Cole mentioning last week's raw was the 800 episode and it had been on longer than this or that show? By the end of last night I was thinking, "Big 24 inch pythons deal." and or "Enough already." Hope its not dagged over to next week's show.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Lord Grimlock » Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:40 pm

TNA better product dont think so TNA is losing 4 stars very soon according to the sundays chicago sun times 2 weeks ago black jack brown in his wrestling column its says christian,team 3-D,and nash are leaving after there contracts expire they have been talking with vince about a comeback so look to see these guys back in the WWE.2009 is going to be great for WWE not TNA o by the way the video game sucks lol.TNA is aweful TNA will fail before WWE will ever
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:25 pm

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they've been saying Christian and Team 3D were leaving ever since they joined the company. Nash's contract already expired. I want Nash back in the WWE anyway. If Christian went back to the WWE he'd get buried.

You want to know the real difference between the WWE and TNA right now? TNA is fun and entertaining, WWE is predictable.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Decatron » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:54 pm

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No wonder Freddie Prinze was brought in. They should get Seacrest too haha
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby steve2275 » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:58 am

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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:11 am

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Original Sin wrote:Nash's contract already expired. I want Nash back in the WWE anyway.
yeah i do miss diesel


I hope he shows up at No Mercy, even though I don't want Michaels to win.

Prediction time, who I want to win will be in bold letters.

No Mercy(this Sunday)

Jericho vs Michaels- I am almost positive Jericho will retain the title. He has only held the title for about a month.

Triple H vs Jeff Hardy- As far as I can tell right now Jeff Hardy is the most popular wrestler that isn't named Triple H or Shawn Michaels. The only real difference is Jeff didn't play politics to get where he is like Shawn and Trips. I think Triple H will retain the title. If Hardy is going to win I think it will be at Wrestlemania after winning the Royal Rumble.

Matt Hardy vs Mark Henry- Like Jericho, Matt hasn't held the title all that long. I think Matt Hardy will walk away with a win. Hopefully, Mark Henry will be out of the title picture afterward. I'd still rather see Matt Hardy feud with Morrison over the title.

Batista vs JBL- Batista has to walk away with the win. He's making a lot of noise about how unhappy he is, so I think they'll continue throwing him big wins. I chose him as who I want to win mainly because he can at least have entertaining matches. JBL has sucked since the APA stopped existing.

Big Show vs Undertaker- I really don't care who wins, the storyline is terrible. I think Edge may return during this match and may cause one of them to lose.

Beth Phoenix vs Candice Michelle- I think Beth will retain. Candice is to injury prone.

Rey Mysterio vs Kane- I think Kane will win and Rey will unmask. Why? Because Vince is stupid and he is likely to make the same mistake Eric Bischoff did in WCW and take away the mask. I still wish it wouldn't have been Rey's mask in Kane's bag. That was very anticlimactic. Unpredictable? Yes, extremely, but very anticlimactic.

Bound For Glory(October 12, next Sunday)

Samoa Joe vs. Sting- I think Sting will walk away with the win so that it will lead to Jarrett vs Sting over the title. Jarrett ALWAYS ends up with the title.

Jeff Jarrett vs. Kurt Angle- I think Jarrett will walk away with the win. Its his return match, why would he lose?

Taylor Wilde vs Kong vs Roxxi- I hope Roxxi wins, she deserves it. I think Roxxi will walk away the champion in the end.

I'll make my predictions for the asylum match and monster's ball match when they announce the rest of the participants.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby God Optimus Prime » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:50 pm

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Kevin Nash Has Still Not Agreed To A New TNA Contract, Latest Update

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Daytona Beach News-Journal Online is reporting that Kevin Nash has still not agreed to terms on a new deal with TNA Wrestling as their is still a hang up on merchandise issues. Nash revealed to the publication that his current deal with TNA is up on October 10th and that he will not be on TNA television until a new agreement is reached.

Nash did confirm that he has had talks with WWE as he said, "I talked to Vince (McMahon)... He offered me a contract, but he wanted me to dye my hair."

Nash prefers the lighter TNA Wrestling schedule as opposed to that of WWE.


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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby God Optimus Prime » Thu Oct 02, 2008 5:55 pm

Rob Van Dam's New Radio Show "RVD Radio" Debuts 10/8

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A spokesperson from from RobVanDam.com sent in the following press release:

Former WWE Champion Rob Van Dam is launching a brand new online radio show, *RVD RADIO*

- The debut episode will be at 10pm Eastern / 7pm Pacific on Wednesday, October 8th

- There will be a new episode every Wednesday night

- To listen to the show and get more information, visit the show's profile at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/rvdradio

- RVD Radio's debut episode will include Chris Mordetzky (Masters) and Shawn Stasiak as guests. The topics of discussion will be individualism, censorship, RVD TV, and pro wrestling. Rob is excited to be taking calls from his listeners on a weekly basis.

- This show will be hosted by RVD himself, and will include various guest appearances, hot discussion topics, RVD's favorite music, and weekly updates on what's happening in the life of The Whole F'n Show!

- Listeners can call in to join the conversation during the show by dialing (347) 308-8753

- This show is gonna be HOT, so join in on the action by listening to *RVD RADIO*!!!!!


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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Friend of Da Panda Symbol » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:46 pm

yaaay i found out what happened to two of my favorite wrestlers before I took my wrestling break.

And these 2 dropped by vince because why? Anythinig other than roids makes no sense.

RVD was hot; like imagine he still is! If not the power house he was I would like to see him do ring commentary with TAZ or Lawler.

As for as nash, Vince better put up with his hair and award him a lighter schedule he wants and sign him. He's not Orton's age for crying out loud. If it happened in in the time I left excuse me but I want a Diesel feud with Big Show or Mark Henry or Kane!
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Heavy B » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:11 am

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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Jazz Reborn » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:17 am

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Smackdown was awesome! :D The all star kickoff did not disappoint.
1. 4 man tag-team match: It was nice to see Batista on Smackdown and owning the other team.
2. Triple Threat: The part with Jericho and Matt fighting was also good. Until Jericho got the ladder...
3. 6 man tag-team: Yes! CM Punk got his revenge on the "Priceless" tag-team and Manu with help from the Colons.
4. Divas Match: It was interesting how when Beth got out of the ring no one jumped her but when Michelle got out of the ring all the divas just started fighting each other.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:38 pm

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jazz reborn wrote:4. Divas Match: It was interesting how when Beth got out of the ring no one jumped her but when Michelle got out of the ring all the divas just started fighting each other.


That's because Beth went out on the heel side.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Decatron » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:18 pm

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The SD debut was lackluster. I hope Kozlov gets HHH's belt quick.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Burn » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:36 pm

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Why the hell would you want to put the belt on a overly large wrestler who only has power to rely on and little wrestling ability as well as not being able to cut a promo in english?

Remember when Khali was the champ? Yeah, that was fun.

When Smackdown came out to Australia, as soon as Kozlov came out half the arena emptied to go to the toilet or get drinks. Bad move putting the belt on someone who can empty an arena like that.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Decatron » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:52 pm

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WWE hires so much talent that should be allowed to develop, but rarely do. You want to watch more Kozlov squash matches?

IMO, a shakeup is needed. Hardy? I don't like the guy, but that is a start. Besides, its not like HHH would never get the belt back. On the plus side for HHH, he can rake in a reign or two getting the title back.

On Kozlov, I admit I naturally tend to back the heels. Sure he's laughable in promos, but honestly, Jeff doesn't exactly strike me as a great promo guy either.
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Venomous Prime » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:29 pm

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Burn wrote:Why the hell would you want to put the belt on a overly large wrestler who only has power to rely on and little wrestling ability as well as not being able to cut a promo in english?

Remember when Khali was the champ? Yeah, that was fun.

When Smackdown came out to Australia, as soon as Kozlov came out half the arena emptied to go to the toilet or get drinks. Bad move putting the belt on someone who can empty an arena like that.


Michelle McCool's matches do that over here. Everyone watches her entrance then goes to take a piss.

And Jeff is a draw, Kozlov isn't. Why would they put belt on someone that could potentially lose ratings?
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Re: The Pro Wrestling Thread

Postby Tough Scorponok » Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:11 pm

Because, Kozlov gets the belt....... Then they will have Big Guns turn their attention on Kozlov.....And that might have some good potential... Triple H can hold his own against Kozlov, thats why he Only attacks the Champ when he is after a match. Khali on the other Hand, is getting Boring. Now, Battista, he keeps having a good lines, and is a good Promo.
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