The Energon Pub

[ZeroWolf]

I honestly don't think there is enough of those boys who like star wars tech to be lucrative enough for Disney to spend more money on merchandise. Disney aren't new to the merchandise game, and this isn't hasbros first party with them as well.

And finally I disregard your statement about fans and FANS. Your either a fan or not, there is no tiers.

[RAR]

FANS buy more stuff than fans.

I do think I may have a point about Disney marketing characters and not technology - where as with Star Trek at the moment it's spaceships that sell.

But we shall see if I'm correct or not about that over time. But they may have a plan - maybe they might concentrate on Spacecraft more for Rogue One and character a bit less.

I'll be interested to see how that plays out over the medium term though... otherwise if there is a lack of Spacecraft to market people might start looking elsewhere for their spacecraft fix like Star Trek or even older material like Stargate or Babylon 5.

(New) Battlestar Galactica is a very character driven show - and yet that has a heck of a lot of space craft merchandise despite that. not to mention the Alien/s Franchise is hardly "about" space craft and yet the majority of the merchandise is Aliens and Space ships with the odd marine or Ripley figure thrown in. Even Newt's Family's crawler has a toy now.

So I hope Star Wars feeds my desires for spacecraft toys overtime too... as I won't be buying any Kylo Ren dolls any time soon.

[Stuartmaximus]

FANS buy more stuff than fans.

I do think I may have a point about Disney marketing characters and not technology - where as with Star Trek at the moment it's spaceships that sell.

But we shall see if I'm correct or not about that over time. But they may have a plan - maybe they might concentrate on Spacecraft more for Rogue One and character a bit less.

I'll be interested to see how that plays out over the medium term though... otherwise if there is a lack of Spacecraft to market people might start looking elsewhere for their spacecraft fix like Star Trek or even older material like Stargate or Babylon 5.

(New) Battlestar Galactica is a very character driven show - and yet that has a heck of a lot of space craft merchandise despite that. not to mention the Alien/s Franchise is hardly "about" space craft and yet the majority of the merchandise is Aliens and Space ships with the odd marine or Ripley figure thrown in. Even Newt's Family's crawler has a toy now.

So I hope Star Wars feeds my desires for spacecraft toys overtime too... as I won't be buying any Kylo Ren dolls any time soon.

now don't you listen to that other person saying that there's no tiers! coz i'm a fan of Star Wars....but....i don't collect every piece of memorabilia nor do i go to conventions nor Cosplay! now there ARE people that DO! and they're called HARD CORE FANS! so there is a distinguishable difference. same goes for any interest...whether it be Star Wars/Trek, Transformers, Ninja Turtles ect.

[Shadowman]

FANS buy more stuff than fans.

Oh, so to be a proper fan, I have to start diverting my hard earned money to toys? Just to prove that I really do like a movie series to twats on the internet who can't comprehend someone not sharing their exact set of likes and dislikes.

No, there's only one type of fan, and that's someone who likes the production. It doesn't matter if they liked Force Awakens more than Empire Strikes Back or how many different toys they bought. If you like Star Wars, you're a fan. If you really like Star Wars and put yourself in debt up to your eyeballs from buying merchandise, you're still just a fan.

If you think that is ever productive then imagine the same premise applied to fans of the Michael Bay Movies Vs those who don't like them.

I don't have to imagine it, I remember it. The Live-action movie forums on this very site are where I first heard the term "true fans." And the very idea of it was just as stupid there as it is now.

[RAR]

Quite so I consider myself a fan of Turtles (or at least I was) - yet I'm not a hard core fan I've not seen every cartoon (same is true of Transformers too) and I find I consume different franchises in different ways - but I don't tend to be completest about any of them to the degree that someone might be - if that is their ONLY interest.

I don't for example like anything enough to go out and buy a $300.00 1/6th scale figure of it.

Star Wars for example I like fine I buy the odd toy now and again - but I'm especially keen on Space craft or cool aliens. My Favourite piece being my Virago toy. I buy all the books - I play catch up on the comics from time to time - but don't follow them religiously in the more recent times. - I've never really bothered with Clone Wars era comics very much.

Similar to how I consume Aliens - I like the spacecraft and the Aliens. have a decent amount of book - more comics this time though too. my main collection is the Kenner toys though - which I army build.

Star Trek I like the novels and TV shows - I don't tend to buy as much merchandise but I do have a pretty decent amount of the older Playmates toys - but that likely came about as a side effect of collecting Vintage Turtles toys. I consume Star Trek more as a Universe than as a merchandising - I'd say there is a little piece of Star Trek in my soul even.

Likewise The Matrix Movies : they are very important to me -- again there is a little chip of them buried inside the very core of me - but I don't pursuit them much beyond the Movies and as a side interest to my interest in Philosophy, Religious History, Mythology, General Sci Fi & Humanism... lets be honest The Matrix movies have their claws in everything really.

Then there are things I'm just "Interested in" like Babylon 5 or Terminator or Superheroes.

I may not know every little thing about some franchises but they are things I revisit from time to time and research for entertainment (I was just reading up on marvel stuff the other day for example The Beast specifically)

I may go researching Back Panther soon too and refresh myself on Dr. Strange a bit also.

So yeah I don't know if I'm a FAN of anything in that sense (not even Transformers) but they all interweave and complement each other well I feel buy having some degree of interest in a lot of things over time.

There is the problem though that some things you really like just well "stop" there is nothing else to buy nothing else to watch - it's all over and done with like : Starcom, M.A.S.K. The Adventures of the Galaxy Rangers for example.

I'd love to be a fan of them - but really they are more a past tense thing as I have concluded those things - I consumed them to the degree they existed.

I also have things I'm holding in reserve too - for the future - things I'm avoiding getting into so I have a back up something if I need it.

I could really do with something to peak my Sci fi interest a bit - I'm getting space ship withdrawal symptoms lately. I could do with something fun and spacey like a new Last Starfighter movie for example. - heck even another Tron sequel would be nice to have.

It's a shame Babylon 5 isn't more merchandised than it is - that has some great space ships in it. It also sort of filled up the lack of a Star Wars TV show that was Star wars in the original trilogy sense - rather than it's all about the flippin' Jedi sense that it has now unfortunately .

[ZeroWolf]

Rar&stu: I stand by what I say, if you like something then you are a fan, it's up to you how you express that but you're still a fan like someone else that just watches stuff. It's about having fun and enjoying yourself not worrying about not meeting stupid requirements to be called a "true" fan.

[RAR]

I've not seen a single Daniel Craig Bond Movie I've only seen 2 of the Brosnan ones would I say I like James Bond sure - but I don't think about it every day - I don't post on James bOnd Internet Boards - Heck I barely even bothered watch more than a couple of reviews of Spectre, so I wouldn't presume to put myself on the same level as someone who has that emotional investment I clearly lack in that case even if I may have some nostalgic affection for the Franchise as it existed before the 1990's.

That would be pretty presumptuous - that would be like saying I'm a fan of classic cars and not owning a car.

So to say there is not tiers... well I have to disagree there is endless tiers. on every fandom. someone might call themselves a Marvel fan while never having read a single comic - but again that is perhaps being a little disrespectful to for what for lack of a better term we can call a true fan.

How that fandom is expressed might vary but I would say a 'true fan' or a hard core fan if you prefer has to at least have a bit more emotional investment that having seen a movie the once.

I certainly would put myself on a much much lower tier than those who make their own fan movies or build their own R2 units - that isn't something to mock them for that is something to admire or aspire too.

That is how I see it anyway. for those who want to be on the same level as them 'well sorry your not'.

[Burn]

People adding "levels" of being a fan are clearly people who feel the need to make up for their own short comings by being "better" than others.

If you're a fan, you're a fan. Some people only watch movies, some people only read books/comics, etc etc.

At the end of the day, who cares what "level" of fan a person is? Can't we all just discuss things in a civil manner?

[ZeroWolf]

Maybe I'm being overly naive but I would like to think that the people who build their own r2 units, go to actual lightsaber fights, own every lego sw toy, that all these people consider people who don't do these things as fellow fans, people who like the same thing as them. Fandom is where people should be able to come together to celebrate what they love, not be split into groups by how much of their life they devote to these things or by how much money they spend.

I guess what I'm trying to say is:
"Can't we all just...get along?"

[Stuartmaximus]

y'know it's funny.how some people are willing to accept that there's levels in videogames, buildings & even authority!

but yet those same people aren't willing to accept that there's levels in fandom!

[RAR]

I'm not decrying anyone from consuming anything anyway that they want too - I am however disagreeing that because you saw a movie it's a tad ridiculous to think you are suddenly somehow equal in the food chain to a member of the 501st who hand crafted their own armour with love and care.

That is like saying I'm equal to John Williams as he's seen a Star Wars Movie and so have I.

I don't think it's insulting to say that I happen to think it's a reasonable statement to say someone who expresses their fandom in their daily lives has more right to consider themselves "a true fan" than someone who has watched a Movie once.

Now if you want to get into the whole argument about those people who say "I'm a true fans as I hate the prequels" well I have no time for those people. or even those who I have found who say the Prequels are the proper Star Wars as they represent George's true vision.


My only criteria is that if Star wars is a part of your daily life you are rightly able to assert to being 'More of a fan' than someone who only saw the Force Awakens for the 1st time in December. - those people are not Hard core fans or true fans they are "new fans" that isn't an insult it's an observation.

I certainly as I said don't consider myself a 'true fan' even if I do think about Star Wars most days lately. as I don't meet the check list I guess - I don't spend a lot of money on it - I only watch rebels when I can be bothered - and I don't even own the Movies on Bluray. a Fan I may be sure - buy virtue of my interest in it. but a true fan no - I have an investment in it emotionally for sure but Star Wars is just one of my several interests - not my only interest.

I would like to think that if someone does only care about Star Wars and really invests themselves in it - to not acknowledge that in some way would be cherish of me.

I I felt and acted the same as I do but bought Star Wars toys instead of Transformers then might have an excuse to see myself as being a bit higher up the food chain - but I'm very much a youngling in that respect - so I'm not going to be getting into any Lightsaber comparison contests with any grandmasters.

I've got enough self-awareness to not think I'm 'Hello Greedo' just because I saw caravan of Courage once.

[RAR]

I guess what I'm trying to say is:
"Can't we all just...get along?"

I'm not suggesting anyone start up a cage fighting ring between Wookiepedia editors.
Like a miss world contestant I'd like world peace and such like too.
I just think people who got that extra mile are people to be admired and looked up to is all.

Something to strive towards - someone who makes their own Artoo units (for example) is as much someone to be inspired by as Ralph McQuarrie is/was.

[sorry it's that damn edit button again I didn't do it on purpose]

[Burn]

y'know it's funny.how some people are willing to accept that there's levels in videogames, buildings & even authority!

but yet those same people aren't willing to accept that there's levels in fandom!

Because levels in video games, buildings and authority make sense.

Levels in fandom is just for ego. Therefore, stupid.

[Stuartmaximus]

levels in authority could also be considered as egotistical too

(not pointing any elbows at anyone in particular)

[RAR]

Odd Question I just had a thought were Republic Hovertanks ever in the Clone Wars cartoon as if they were not that may mean they are no longer canon. They being mainly know for being in Videogames.?

[Burn]

levels in authority could also be considered as egotistical too

(not pointing any elbows at anyone in particular)

Of course it could, but you're deflecting the issue to take a pot shot at Va'al. That's just not cool.

[ZeroWolf]

Stu: no one has said that about buildings, levels or authority have they? The buildings part is quite silly.

Rar: no idea, never watched the newer clone wars toon.

[Burn]

never watched the newer clone wars toon.

You have seriously got to watch that. Takes a while to get going but it ends up being a damn good series.

[Stuartmaximus]

Only a nonconformist(i bet you he went to look that word up!) would believe that i'm taking a pot shot at a particular person (in one of my previous comments)

[Burn]

Only a nonconformist would believe that i'm taking a pot shot at a particular person (in one of my previous comments)

awwww Stewie! I get you're trying to be this big bad ass on the internet and make everyone hate you, but we both know deep down all you really want is a big ol cuddly hug!

Bring it in man, come on, come and get your hug!

[Stuartmaximus]

well....i'm sure that's a debate for another thread/website/whatever?

(& it's creepy that you want to hug another guy )

now please return this post to it's normal topic of discussion

thank you

[Burn]

No one likes a psuedo-mod, in fact, that's against the rules!
(But that's okay, I won't give you a warning, you're like a happy little Ewok, all huggable and stuff)

[Stuartmaximus]

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[ZeroWolf]

never watched the newer clone wars toon.

You have seriously got to watch that. Takes a while to get going but it ends up being a damn good series.

I'll have to find the time to look into it. Wonder if it's on Netflix? It used to be rerun on cartoon network all the time but it's not there now.

And we're hugging stu now? Things have progressed fast

[Burn]

And we're hugging stu now? Things have progressed fast

He's like an Ewok, all angry looking but deep down so cuddly you just gotta hug him.