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Well I'M sorry that you continue to erroneously believe that laws that are strictly applied to very specific things like medication and replaceable parts by very specific government agencies are somehow universal and can be applied to everything you want to defend. Your own sources in no way explicitly state that 3P products are legal and instead uses meaningless phrases like "not necessarily" and one even states that they may, in fact, be illegal. Great defense there! And somehow I'm the one who's clouded.

Hasbro has actively fought against 3P figures and KO. I haven't even mentioned the stuff they've done at Botcon, banning their sales in the dealers' room for years and nearly shutting down the artist alley over the sales of fanart in 2012. We've reported on Hasbro getting Chinese authorities to raid 3P and KO factories such as the Weijiang raid in 2020. There's also the report of Takara Tomy forcing a Japanese store to stop selling 3P products on copyright and trademark grounds.

Meanwhile you can't prove the rumor that Hasbro didn't mean to invite PVP to events and send him Lego Optimus Prime. The FACT is that Hasbro has the power to make PVP's life a living hell and they haven't. Contacting authorities over the purchase of stolen goods aside, Hasbro could very easily get YouTube to take down their channel if they wanted to. Don't think so? Mattel and/or Paramount this year got YouTube to take down channels of Jurassic Park toy reviewers for showing packaged figures THAT THEY LEGALLY BOUGHT FROM ONLINE RETAILERS ahead of the latest movie because of potential spoilers, the channel owners didn't get a warning or a chance to appeal they were just gone. All Hasbro has to do is have their legal team contact YouTube about PVP making money off videos featuring stole goods and nobody would ever hear from him again. THEY HAVEN'T. Hasbro doesn't care.

Your problems with PVP are based on a strictly moral gray area that the "victim" doesn't care about, while my issue with 3P is based on a complete and utter lack of proof of their legality and evidence that leans towards their illegality thanks to your own sources that are supposed to be defending them.

Emerje

BWM-07 METAL MOUSE | TRANSART

Estimated Arrival: February 2023

$89.99 - TFSource

He does look good. Not that the TM line was a million miles away from their show counterparts. Oh and one more reference picture is included for those wondering on his scale:

A 3P toy that is not G1?

Hell has frozen over.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A 3P toy that is not G1?

Hell has frozen over.

Indeed. No 3P seemed to bother with BW for years. Until I assume the success of the BW Masterpiece collection presented itself. Transart in particular, have jumped straight to the Transmetal line.

Hasn't There been 3P versions of Armada and Energon Prime made, or in development?

Anyways, still waiting for a scaled down KO PotP Predaking. I own the original, but just would like a smaller version to go with all other Generations combiners.

o.supreme wrote:Hasn't There been 3P versions of Armada and Energon Prime made, or in development?

Yes. There is a couple of examples on page 15. So far they haven't veered too far from Prime and Megs. Overload and Tidal Wave, being in development. Mostly I suspect due to combining with their respective leaders.


But much as we said in the Masterpiece thread. MP Energon figures specifically would be a real headache. Due to their core premise/gimmick.

MetaGate G04 Air King AKA Terrorsaur

Jan - Feb'23 release date

$138.00 - OhMyPrimus

$159.99 - TheChosenPrime

$159.99 - TFSource

For one, not a G1!
And a BW to boot!

Pricey ...But he looks perfect!

Yet another reminder that Takara needs to pull their finger out and finish the BW MP line. Otherwise, others are stepping up their game to compete.

Well, that looks really awesome.
Hopefully see some more pics coming down the pipeline for this!

Fans Hobby Master Builder MB-17A Galva-Tyranno AKA The obvious redeco has arrived!

This item has a release estimate of July 2023 subject to delays.

£159.95 - Kapow Toys

$149.99 - BBTS

01Studio Seed 01-S02 (AKA Primus)

This item has a release estimate of September 2023 subject to delays.

Studio Seed transforms from machine planet to massive 24 inch articulated robot action figure constructed from metal and plastic.

Height: approx. 45cm
Weight: approx. 3.2kg
Material: metal, plastic

Contents:
main body
instructions
parts
LED(battery not included)

£329.95 - Kapow Toys

$399.99 - TFSource

The Studio Cell have been well received. So this one will too.

Now, to see the live color pictures....

Fans Toys Fantoys FT-61 INQUISITOR (Scourge)

Release Window: November - December 2023
FT-61 Inquisitor is Masterpiece scaled and will scale to other Takara Tomy Transformers Masterpiece series figures.

£9.99 Deposit - Omega Lock

$10.00 Deposit - Robotoybase

$219.99 - TFSource

Another 3P release that HasTak could/should have released years ago. Instead of wasting time over Bots with licensed altmodes.

More pseudo "MP G1" bots.
Yaaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnn...........

Make a "Scourge" who would be a fusion between G1 Scourge and R.I.D Scourge and you'll have my attention.

I've said it many times. For how long ago MP-22 Ultra Magnus (2014), Hot Rod (2016 & 2018) and Rodimus Prime (2011) came out. At least one of the Movie Decepticons should have been in the MP line by now. It's ridiculous these headliner characters only exist at MP level via 3P.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I've said it many times. For how long ago MP-22 Ultra Magnus (2014), Hot Rod (2016 & 2018) and Rodimus Prime (2011) came out. At least one of the Movie Decepticons should have been in the MP line by now. It's ridiculous these headliner characters only exist at MP level via 3P.

Oh yeah, if they don't exist officially yet, have at it. But 3P companies makes so many of them and you can chose between 10 versions. It's not too bad when they're years appart because looks and tech can be different, but some may appear 2 or 3 times in just a few months.

Thinking about it, that's good because competition is always good.
They just need to tone down the Optimusses.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, that's good because competition is always good.

Although the existence of 3P Transformers does still confuse me. I do think there are instances wherein 3P is a valid option. Sometime ago there were MP level Monsterbots. Takara will likely never make those. So that fills a vacuum.

-Kanrabat- wrote:They just need to tone down the Optimusses.

I think that applies to 1st and 3rd parties

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Thinking about it, that's good because competition is always good.

Although the existence of 3P Transformers does still confuse me. I do think there are instances wherein 3P is a valid option. Sometime ago there were MP level Monsterbots. Takara will likely never make those. So that fills a vacuum.

I'm kicking myself to have skipped those Monsterbots. When I got my G1 and TR versions, it was too late to get them at normal price. They're even more nope'd priced today.

Fans Hobby via Facebook wrote:Images of MB-20 first colour test shot, stay tuned for more information update!

MP scaled like the previous 3P "Armada Optimus", or Generations scaled meant for the Legacy Commander?

-Kanrabat- wrote:MP scaled like the previous 3P "Armada Optimus", or Generations scaled meant for the Legacy Commander?

I found this pic from an earlier reveal, if that helps with scale.

Thanks to the included minicon in the picture, it means MP scaled.

This item has a release estimate of November 2023 subject to delays.

£169.95 - Kapow Toys (10% deposit available)

$169.99 - BBTS

$169.99 - TFSource

Personally, one I would consider the worst (onscreen) design in Beast Wars. Transmetal 2 Cheetor exists again via TransArt TA BWM-09 Metal Yellow Leopard

Weird to think that we've jumped to Season 3 designs when their Season 2 isn't complete yet. But here we go. Available now!

$79.90 - Robotoybase