The Energon Pub

Added firt Octopuswave for being the newest?

And they did not add to the Beast Hunters, not even as an honorific mention?

SACRILEGE!

When I wonder why I never picked up baynus shock wave (despite how bad he was in the film, can't even hit a tied up optimus with 50 shots. Almost on the scale of takara headmasters ultra magnus vs cyclonus, except ultra magnus meant to miss according to the bad subs)..i like the robot mode but the vehicle mode is worse than even the lack luster siege cyberton cars.

I'll pick up the seige shock wave at some point but until then the energon figure still holds well. Liked the animated figure enough to have it in both colours but the mp wins out for me as no. 1 closely followed by siege just for his extra gimmicks platfirm/drone. Just waiting on a more acceptable price

Wow oh wow! I wake up in the morning, log into Seibertron.com, and not only do I see a surprise Top 10 list, but I'm also in it?! Thanks Will, this has really made my day!

Now to answer some concerns:

steve2275 wrote:switch 5(YUCK) and 6 around

5 and 6 are pretty much interchangeable, so it only matters on your preference (I assume you don't like Bayverse Shockwave). The same can be applied for 1 and 2

ausbot wrote:you missed the cyber series shockwave my personal favorite.

Cyber Series is a good-looking Shockwave, but the lack of articulation kinda leaves it off the list. It should be an honorable mention though, and wasn't it the go to CHUG Shockwave before Siege Shockwave came out?

leokearon wrote:I can't believe the ripoff Siege figure was considered the best

I understand that there is a part of the community that feels that way, but as Will has said multiple times before, these lists are based on pure opinion. Siege Shockwave is the best because, compared to the Masterpiece, he is just way more fun with those extra pieces. They both look equally great, and Siege has almost the same amount of articulation, but with the extra pieces, would get a ton more playability. Now, if you want (and I encourage everyone else to do so), you can post your own list and tell us which Shockwave is your favorite. I'd love to read your suggestions

(Another point about Siege Shockwave is that people are much more likely to afford the $50 Leader figure than the $200+ Masterpiece )

RacerCheetor wrote:Added firt Octopuswave for being the newest?

And they did not add to the Beast Hunters, not even as an honorific mention?

SACRILEGE!

We didn't pick Siege Shockwave for being the newest; we picked him for being the most fun.

And trust me, I didn't forget about Prime Shockwave. But his tank mode is kinda lazy, with him practically being an H-tank. Sure, Animated Shockwave is an H-tank, but he makes up for that with his awesome and unique gimmick of being able to change between 2 different robot modes.

I like Prime Shockwave though, and he is a fun figure for me, and one of my favorite Prime figures, so he should be an honorable mention.

I'm glad my contributions have been made to good use, and all my thanks goes to the residents of Seibertron, and Will. Thank you for this, and I am now going to feel like this for the rest of my day:

Always loved shockwave as a character and always wished to have him... was a while till he made it into the chug lines.

Have the alternator which I always liked, but never fit in properly,,, next one was the legends class figure which I was excited about to use with Bruticus, Ironically didn’t acquire Bruticus but baldigus instead, the latter can’t hold shockwave at all.

Next was mp shockwave. Disappointed with hi. For many reason, mainly because I saw they didn’t go to the same lengths they have in the past mp figures, there’s lots of hollow par5s in gun mode and lots of exposed screws. He looks the part, don’t get me wrong, just expected more.

Latest addition is siege shockwave, love the figure.. has some tabbing issues and not sure I like his warmed profile in gun mode. I a,so like the kibble... made him a more interesting figure, obviously I’d rather have paid half the price though.

I would have taken out Cloud wave and put Beast Hunter's Shockwave at number 2 behind MP. Probably knocked down Siege to 5. BH Shockwave is so formidable in alt mode and robot mode. He is one of the few figures that doesn't look bad with the "armor" but without it looks like a true powerhouse. Siege looks good, but his octopus mode looks like a meme kitbashed together. Fun, yes. Best, not to me at least

leokearon wrote:I can't believe the ripoff Siege figure was considered the best

While I personally wouldn’t put it as my number one, I can absolutely see why it’s ranked so high. What I can’t see is why you’d call that figure a “ripoff.” The upgrades add a lot of playability to the figure, and are a huge breath of fresh air in terms of creativity. I’m scratching my head trying to figure out when we last got a multi armed figure. Optimus Minor back in ‘98/‘99? Extra limbs are awesome! Over the last few years we’ve seen a big resurgence in homages to G1, without too much new or innovative being brought to the table. So far Siege is managing to do both, and Shockwave might be the best example of that.




This list made me realize just how few Shockwave figures I own. I have both variants of Animated Shockwave, which I dearly love for how unique and gaunt he is. Plus you get four modes out of him! I leave my grey one as Longarm, and obviously my purple one as Shockwave, whom I have given the Magnus Hammer to. I have Combiner Wars, and Siege, and MP Lavenderwave. I’d really like to give the number one spot to MP, but I think there was room for improvement with that figure, that they could have done at the time, but that I don’t think even got addressed with his MP+ figure.

A little surprised that FoC Shockwave didn’t make the list, but I do get it. He’s a little on the small side, and that whole line was pretty underwhelming in the looks department on the Hasbro side, but at least the Tamara ones had some premium paint jobs.

Slightly off topic, but what happened to that List thread I saw a couple weeks back about looking for input on top BW figures for show toys, and for non-show toys? I wrote a post that admittedly might have been too long, but when I went to post it, the thread was gone. And I neglected to copy first, so I lost it. Which serves me right for not being more cautious seriously I could write a light novel on Beast Wars figures and why I love them.

Siege One is AWESOME! the best one ever, IMO!

The Siege base figure got him perfectly. If it was sold as a voyager without all that unnecessary extra garbage, it would have been perfect. And I do like the Animated version's gimmick, it's pretty unique.

No problem with the top 5. I'm happy to the DotM version creep in there, I bought both the original Hasbro release and the later Movie the Best version. The bottom 5, not so happy with. My 10-6 looks like this:

10. FoC/Arms Micron Shockwave:


A daring reimagining of the character. Yes, it comes from a time when Deluxe figures were at an all time low in both complexity and quality, but this figure made the most of its limitations by trading in the kibble found on other figures in the line for a massive canon, or in the AM version's case one that turns into a beetle minion.

9. Alternators Shockwave: The figure we never knew we wanted until we got it. Nothing else to add here.

8. Beast Hunters/Go! Shockwave:


Yes, the snap on armor is the very definition of an afterthought, but let's not overlook what the figure is. This was our biggest and best version of the character since the original
and for many people this was their CHUG Shockwave.

7. Cyberverse Shockwave: Same as the reasons given. You can even pair the smaller versions with the larger version for cartoon accurate drones.

6. Combiner Wars/Legends Shockwave: 2016 was a good year for Shockwave. We didn't get Shockwave with a proper gun mode once, but twice in the same year. The other of course being the Masterpiece version. But this is the only version that was sold at US retail and did so without any compromises aside from its size. In this case the size was to his benefit as it finally made his gun mode usable to larger figures. Plus we got him in three unique flavors: A G1 toy accurate dark purple to go with CW Bruticus, a lighter cartoon purple to go with Unite Warriors Bruticus, and a semi-new G2/Action Master pallet to go with G2 Bruticus.

On a side note, I really don't like the Energon mold in any mode. The satellite is just a bunch of extra parts that would have been better used to improve the bot and tank modes, the bot mode is beyond compromised by the giant arm and inward elbow on the good arm, and the tank mode just looks like he's sitting down while practicing his body builder poses.




I barely call that a transformation.

Emerje

leokearon wrote:
If he was reduced, then yes, because I would just forget about the terrible kibble and have an awesome voyager Shockwave, like he should have been

That's good, so think that way. G1 Shockwave is on this list and yet right now he is unobtainable for most who don't already have him due to his rather high price. In a few years, something similar will happen to Siege Shockwave and yet this list will still be around. In the grand scheme of things, while value does have a factor, we have to look at the toy in and of itself. And Siege Shockwave is an excellent toy. It's also worth noting that you'd need to own the figure to judge it accordingly. I am noticing that most (if not all) who say the figure shouldn't be number 1, don't own it. Not exactly the most objective opinion. Maybe you'd actually like the extra kibble, especially in alt mode. I know I did.

RacerCheetor wrote:Added firt Octopuswave for being the newest?

And they did not add to the Beast Hunters, not even as an honorific mention?

SACRILEGE!

That's a lot of assumptions there. And it's a top 10, no need for honourable mentions, might as well just list all the Shockwave figures that exist. There is no point to honourable mentions here, just like there is no point to owning Beast Hunters shockwave in a classics collection anymore. A lot has changed in 3 years.

Emerje wrote:On a side note, I really don't like the Energon mold in any mode. The satellite is just a bunch of extra parts that would have been better used to improve the bot and tank modes, the bot mode is beyond compromised by the giant arm and inward elbow on the good arm, and the tank mode just looks like he's sitting down while practicing his body builder poses.




I barely call that a transformation.

Emerje

Not as bad as what Beast Hunters Shockwave does:



The fact that he transforms the exact same way as a legends sized figure is proof enough that it's a very lazy design.

A few other pot shots at that beast hunters figure. That toy was only ever liked because it was a stand in. Now that it is no longer needed, it is relegated to being simply a toy in the Prime line. And when we discussed that line in a Best Of list, that toy was not a contender.

Plus it suffers from a rather crazy flaw. You have to detach it's canon arm to transform it properly. The toy as designed, cant actually pull off it's alt mode (as lackluster as it may be) properly if you keep it attached.

Bucky wrote:Slightly off topic, but what happened to that List thread I saw a couple weeks back about looking for input on top BW figures for show toys, and for non-show toys? I wrote a post that admittedly might have been too long, but when I went to post it, the thread was gone. And I neglected to copy first, so I lost it. Which serves me right for not being more cautious seriously I could write a light novel on Beast Wars figures and why I love them.

Oh man Bucky, would have loved to read it. Here's what happened with the Beast Wars stuff. Beast Wars is my G1. Meaning that I see it as a whole bunch of toys that I loved as a kid and it's hard to choose the best, especially when my favourite could be linked to the occasion I got it and not how good the toy is objectively. So I was seeking council. But as I was doing that, I got an idea of the aproach I would take with the lists and I realized I could have a good list. And I deleted those threads before there were any responses like that people wouldn't feel bad if I ask for advice and then don't use it. But hey, I love talking toys. We could take this conversation to the messages and discuss it more there.

Cheers!

Hmm, personally I would not have placed the Cyberverse one that high, especially above the Legends Shockwave.

Of the ones I own, the rankings go:

1) Siege
2) Combiner Wars
3) Dark of the Moon
4) Prime Beast Hunters

Siege is an incredible toy, and the legends pulls off a lot of fun for its size, and I love the colors on both. DotM One is a really fun toy that needed a slight bit less of an A-stance, but still great. The BH one is a bit lacking, I liked the armor, but it needed some more refining.

Siege Shockwave will be on sale sooner or later. Then I may strike.

leokearon wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

leokearon wrote:I can't believe the ripoff Siege figure was considered the best

Because its a good solid figure and folks like you need to stop thinking height is is what leader class is in this line because its not.

It's still a Voyager figure, with a lot of unnecessary kibble, just to push the price point up.

I agree siege shockwave (as with the entire line) is vastly overrated. It has a great robot mode but the alt mode isnt great. If its suppose to be the best ever be all end all figure then it needs an amazing alt mode & robot mode, it only has the robot mode. Its the same with cyberverse, the alt modes are garbage but the robot modes look good. If we're only going off robot mode then why isnt action master shockwave listed? Its literally the G1 cartoon model made physical. What about beast hunter voyager shockwave? It has s nice looking robot mode thats a mix of G1 & movieverse and also has a decent alt mode, way better than either cyberverse toy.

i agree with the top three, screw everything else!

Nice list!
One of the cool things about Shockwave,is that in certain ways,is much more feasible to obtain all of his toys than other characters.

One of those days,william-james88 will see the coolness of Cyber Series Shockwave

-Kanrabat- wrote:Siege Shockwave will be on sale sooner or later. Then I may strike.

It was on sale last week for 50$

TulioDude wrote:One of those days,william-james88 will see the coolness of Cyber Series Shockwave

Thanks for the vote of confidence, much appreciated. Sadly, I did buy him and then was so disapointed that I returned him to Walmart (where he is exclusively sold in Canada). To me he is merely a placeholder that now has no use.

Megatron Wolf wrote:

leokearon wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

leokearon wrote:I can't believe the ripoff Siege figure was considered the best

Because its a good solid figure and folks like you need to stop thinking height is is what leader class is in this line because its not.

It's still a Voyager figure, with a lot of unnecessary kibble, just to push the price point up.

I agree siege shockwave (as with the entire line) is vastly overrated. It has a great robot mode but the alt mode isnt great. If its suppose to be the best ever be all end all figure then it needs an amazing alt mode & robot mode, it only has the robot mode. Its the same with cyberverse, the alt modes are garbage but the robot modes look good. If we're only going off robot mode then why isnt action master shockwave listed? Its literally the G1 cartoon model made physical. What about beast hunter voyager shockwave? It has s nice looking robot mode thats a mix of G1 & movieverse and also has a decent alt mode, way better than either cyberverse toy.

Siege Shockwave has one thing over all the other iterations, aside from G1 and CW Legends: he's a gun!

Megatron Wolf wrote: What about beast hunter voyager shockwave? It has s nice looking robot mode thats a mix of G1 & movieverse and also has a decent alt mode, way better than either cyberverse toy.

You say that like its a fact, but its just an opinion, same as mine. As mentioned above, I find BH Shocker's alt mode is beyond lazy and deeply flawed in terms of design/engineering.

william-james88 wrote:A few other pot shots at that beast hunters figure. That toy was only ever liked because it was a stand in. Now that it is no longer needed, it is relegated to being simply a toy in the Prime line. And when we discussed that line in a Best Of list, that toy was not a contender.

What's wrong with being "simply a toy in the Prime line"? And why would not being good enough to make the Prime list instantly disqualify it from this list? It's not like there were other Shockwave figures in that list that were better. Plus in the previous list you thought he was good enough for the #5 spot while the Cloud figure only got an honorable mention so how did it get bumped completely this time while the Cloud figure, an actual obsolete stand in repainted from a not all that great mold, placed?

Plus it suffers from a rather crazy flaw. You have to detach it's canon arm to transform it properly. The toy as designed, cant actually pull off it's alt mode (as lackluster as it may be) properly if you keep it attached.

That is unfortunate, no doubt about it, but I consider a crooked gun to be infinitely more forgivable than a giant useless brick of an arm almost as big as the figure it's bolted to.

We're obviously not going to agree about this. Just like you aren't a fan of the Prime figure I didn't like Shockblast when I bought him new back in the day and am still not fan all these years later. If I were to make list of top 5 worst Energon figures he'd be sharing the #1 spot with Six Shot.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:A few other pot shots at that beast hunters figure. That toy was only ever liked because it was a stand in. Now that it is no longer needed, it is relegated to being simply a toy in the Prime line. And when we discussed that line in a Best Of list, that toy was not a contender.

What's wrong with being "simply a toy in the Prime line"? And why would not being good enough to make the Prime list instantly disqualify it from this list? It's not like there were other Shockwave figures in that list that were better. Plus in the previous list you thought he was good enough for the #5 spot while the Cloud figure only got an honorable mention so how did it get bumped completely this time while the Cloud figure, an actual obsolete stand in repainted from a not all that great mold, placed?

Because times change. With all the shockwave toys we have now, Cloud Shockwave ends up becoming a different take on the character instead of a stand in. By comparison, I don't have much use for the Beast Hunters version nor would I recommend it to people aside from completing the Prime line. When I saw that Nathaniel had not included him in this list revamp, I went along with it. It's his list as much as mine and I didn't really think BH Shockwave was the hill to die on.

Makes for good discussion though, and that's what all this is about

Emerje wrote: If I were to make list of top 5 worst Energon figures he'd be sharing the #1 spot with Six Shot.

Emerje

Can we at least agree that Ironhide would be number 2?

william-james88 wrote:A few other pot shots at that beast hunters figure. That toy was only ever liked because it was a stand in. Now that it is no longer needed, it is relegated to being simply a toy in the Prime line. And when we discussed that line in a Best Of list, that toy was not a contender.

Plus it suffers from a rather crazy flaw. You have to detach it's canon arm to transform it properly. The toy as designed, cant actually pull off it's alt mode (as lackluster as it may be) properly if you keep it attached.

You actually can, according to the GO! gallery:


Transformers Go! Hunter Shockwave Gallery

I looked closer at the gallery of the Beast Hunters version, turns out the figure used is missassmbled: the upper arm piece is facing the wrong way, and because it's diagonal it's pointing the opposite direction

GO! Version

Transformers Go! Hunter Shockwave Gallery

Beast Hunters version

Transformers Prime Beast Hunters Shockwave Gallery

william-james88 wrote:Can we at least agree that Ironhide would be number 2?

No argument there!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I looked closer at the gallery of the Beast Hunters version, turns out the figure used is missassmbled: the upper arm piece is facing the wrong way, and because it's diagonal it's pointing the opposite direction

That just happens to be the way Ryan photographed it, the elbow bends in both directions. Here it is the right way:



The problem is without disconnecting it the gun doesn't point straight, it points off to the side a little, even on the Go! figure. For me it's just slightly annoying, not a huge bother.



Emerje

Emerje wrote:
The problem is without disconnecting it the gun doesn't point straight, it points off to the side a little, even on the Go! figure. For me it's just slightly annoying, not a huge bother.



Emerje

Huh, that is odd. I take it bending either the shoulder or the elbow doesn't fix it and makes it lock in place properly?

I bought both the deluxe and Voyager versions of Cyberverse Shockwave and gave them to my nephews.
The head sculpt is terrible and the 'eye brow' looks too cartoony.

I do agree with you on the Masterpiece and Siege versions though.

Most people wouldn't agree but I would have included Actionmaster Shockwave. He was the first official Shockwave we got in Ireland. I still have mine from 1990. Great little figure and I love his colour scheme.