PushYouDown wrote:....considering you didn't understand it the first time? Hard to tell your original response was word salad.
Notimus Crime wrote:I just want to interject here to clarify what's being said so we can all reach an understanding. AllNewSuperRobot, you aren't arguing against PushYouDown's position. You're arguing against a misinterpretation of their position. What you seem to believe their position is is "If Transformers aren't in relationships, they are just unfeeling automatons with no personality!"
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No, I was clarifying the misconception within paragraph that I quoted. I made no position on it, nor statement of belief. I have an English degree, I notice nuance like that.
It was misunderstood twice and as such is off topic enough to no longer be worthwhile to continue discussion.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:This would suggest that in lieu of relations/sexualising Transformers, that they would be bereft of personality altogether? Remove IDWverse from the equation. Now pick a random popular character and reflect on how that is usually the inverse within Transformers as a whole.
PushYouDown wrote:They have personalities, they have wants and desires....of course they are going to form emotional bonds. We know this from EVERY continuity. We know they have romantic emotional bonds from every continuity.
william-james88 wrote:Wait, are people saying the Bayverse rendition of Transformers as aliens is better than the G1 cartoon where they were basically metal human-like characters? I thought the Bayverse was reviled and G1 was the best, when did that flip?
ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Wait, are people saying the Bayverse rendition of Transformers as aliens is better than the G1 cartoon where they were basically metal human-like characters? I thought the Bayverse was reviled and G1 was the best, when did that flip?
Since people decided that sentient and emotive robots having relationships with each other was a step too far.
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Wait, are people saying the Bayverse rendition of Transformers as aliens is better than the G1 cartoon where they were basically metal human-like characters? I thought the Bayverse was reviled and G1 was the best, when did that flip?
Since people decided that sentient and emotive robots having relationships with each other was a step too far.
Those relationships were around since G1. All that changed in the past 10 years was that those relationships dont necessarily have to be with fembots or female humans. Having an issue just now that it is presented is textbook homophobia. It's no different than if someone rejected the idea of marriage altogether now that same sex couples can also marry.
If Orion Pax can have a girlfriend, then Cyclonus can have a boyfriend.
ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Wait, are people saying the Bayverse rendition of Transformers as aliens is better than the G1 cartoon where they were basically metal human-like characters? I thought the Bayverse was reviled and G1 was the best, when did that flip?
Since people decided that sentient and emotive robots having relationships with each other was a step too far.
Those relationships were around since G1. All that changed in the past 10 years was that those relationships dont necessarily have to be with fembots or female humans. Having an issue just now that it is presented is textbook homophobia. It's no different than if someone rejected the idea of marriage altogether now that same sex couples can also marry.
If Orion Pax can have a girlfriend, then Cyclonus can have a boyfriend.
Oh I agree completely. I really don't get the hate, or why it bothers people when they can choose to ignore it.
william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:william-james88 wrote:Wait, are people saying the Bayverse rendition of Transformers as aliens is better than the G1 cartoon where they were basically metal human-like characters? I thought the Bayverse was reviled and G1 was the best, when did that flip?
Since people decided that sentient and emotive robots having relationships with each other was a step too far.
Those relationships were around since G1. All that changed in the past 10 years was that those relationships dont necessarily have to be with fembots or female humans. Having an issue just now that it is presented is textbook homophobia. It's no different than if someone rejected the idea of marriage altogether now that same sex couples can also marry.
If Orion Pax can have a girlfriend, then Cyclonus can have a boyfriend.
Oh I agree completely. I really don't get the hate, or why it bothers people when they can choose to ignore it.
I know you agree, I was using your comments as a great jumping on point to further explain what I meant, so thanks fir your replies. Although I don't think they should ignore it, it's part of Transformers lore, just like robots coupling and having romantic feelings which has been there since the begining of the brand. Accepting it is the only way to confront one's own prejudices.
snavej wrote:I don't think that pair bonding would be so important for TFs. Group bonding would be superior. In peace time, TFs would be fully telepathic and thus would form a global collective.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:snavej wrote:I don't think that pair bonding would be so important for TFs. Group bonding would be superior. In peace time, TFs would be fully telepathic and thus would form a global collective.
An angle better for Transformers to explore via Gestalts or hive minds like Scourge and the Sweeps. Still vaguely covering the topic. But not in a human way.
snavej wrote:I think it's driven by money. Relatable TFs can be more lucrative than weird alien TFs who do weird alien things.
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