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william-james88 wrote:No, he's saying the main human characters are black and latino, unlike before when they were always white. He's a black guy and says that the human characters look like him more than ever.
84everfan wrote:Yes, I definitely want people to connect with the humans, too, because they now look like us more than ever in this film.
The **** is that supposed to mean? Dumbass.
Hydrargyrus wrote:What in the world? Man’s just tryna say that it’s easier to relate to a character that looks like you, because race/ethnicity tends to run a little more than skin-deep. That shouldn’t be controversial.
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
Just like the Bay movies.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:G1 fans (most of whom don't like these movies, anyway) are aging out of being regular theatre moviegoers . . .
We're not ageing out. We just aren't impressed by CGI explosion porn and shallow, ham-fisted identity politics, which is what this is shaping up to be.
We grew up watching movies that redefined genres. Star Wars. Raiders of the Lost Ark. Alien. John Carpenter's The Thing. The Terminator. Not the Disney-fied stripmined versions or "reimagined for modern audiences" nonsense they're trying to sell us now. We're not too old to go to the theater for a good movie. We're smart enough to spot a shit-show when we see it and not waste our money on it. Nursing homes are expensive.
TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Go back to page 1 and read about his first interview. He literally stated that this movie was "made for black and brown people." I called it out back then, and of course was labeled a racist by a couple narrow minded idiots here.Sabrblade wrote:I don't recall the director saying it's "more" important than all else. Just that it's one aspect of the movie that's important to him.Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Brokebot wrote:TOO MUCH ENERGON! wrote:Representation in media is not a bad thing. White people are not the only race on earth. Get used to it.
I never said it was, so stop trying to paint me as a racist. But when the skin color, gender identity, or sexual orientation of the cast is more important than the quality of the story, your movie will fail and deservedly so.
Amen.
DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
Brokebot wrote:DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
william-james88 wrote:Brokebot wrote:DeathReviews wrote:That said? The movie will probably make lots of money - after all, you never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator...
It'll make money, but will it make enough to get into the black. This has a $200 million production budget. Add to that marketing, distribution, and the theater's cut, they'll have to clear $500 million or more to get out of the red.
Yeah, it needs at least $500 M, but the good news is that it doesn't need much more than that either. Unlike the other big films, like Indy, Little Mermaid, Elemental and even Spider-verse, the film is very merchandise/licensing heavy. So any marketing push will contribute to sale of all things Transformers, not just the movie. I think we saw from past stats that Hasbro doubles in revenu from toy sales during movie years. If the film can prosper as a paid commercial for more consumer products, then that can be enough to justify making more of them.
The Flash movie is in the same boat as that where it's also very licensing and merchandise heavy.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Even the worst movies like AoE and TLK broke records.
So for a Transformers movie to fail, it should be done on purpose.
Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
Seriously? Didn't it make close to a billion? The production costs couldn't be that high.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Seriously? Didn't it make close to a billion? The production costs couldn't be that high.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Isn't it amazing that it's considered a failure because it didn't break a billion dollars during its theatrical run? Did DoTM and AoE (the 2 billionaires) spoil Hasbro's accountants that much?-Kanrabat- wrote:Oh yeah, I remember that TLK did "fail" thus the Bee Movie "reboot".
Also, I don't have the link but I just read that Mark Wahlberg asked for and got a $40 million salary for TLK after AoE made that billion.
TLK is considered a failure because it lost money, only TF movie to do so.
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