Cheetron wrote:It's only week 2 with a crappy box office for everyone. But here's the kicker. I've read the plot and every single spoiler online. By just looking at article titles on yahoo. This turned me away from spending $50 at the theater for 2 people. I've seen every single transformers movie in theater but now theaters don't feel right. I'd rather sit in my chair and watch it. But since I know the entire plot in advance, I'll save the money and wait till it's free. Same with the flash. I love Keatons batman but I won't spend money since they didn't get Ezra in trouble
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
DeathReviews wrote:These numbers are weak, no matter how you look at them. Each one of these films had hundreds of millions sunk into their writing, production, marketing, and distribution. For Flash and Elemental especially, they were supposed to come roaring out of the gate and rake in cash by the truckloads. And it obviously isn't happening. And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
People can argue all kinds of things as to the reasoning. But ultimately, it all boils down to 3 things: content, content, content. If the entertainment industry was making good films that people wanted to see, then people would be going to see them regardless of any external factors short of a war or a natural disaster. Streaming and Covid did not make movie theaters irrelevant. The content of the films has made movie theaters irrelevant.
Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
First-Aid wrote:NO ONE did well at the box office this weekend. The Flash is a legitimate flat-out flop, worse than ROTB, and Elemental is even worse; looks like Pixar may be 'dead man walking' right now. But both DID detract and draw from the audience of ROTB.
This summer is going to be unique...the short transit time between theater and digital anymore as well as theater prices, which were already high, being affected by inflation is moving people away from theaters in general- especially for movies that they may be "on the fence" seeing. I'm in that group for Flash, honestly. I'm not seeing it in theater but I may see it once it hits streaming/DVD. ROTB I'm planning on seeing again this coming weekend because it was fun, but a lot of my friends- who also plan on repeating seeing it- chose to see FLash this weekend.
Is it time to move away from box office gross in order to truly measure a movie's success? Look at the success of "Mortal Kombat" and how it was released as the new standard?
DeathReviews wrote: And don't tell us it's because everyone is saving up to see "Dial of Destiny" instead.
Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
First-Aid wrote:How do you define a box office hit?
Note that FF10 also is flopping; this is not a good summer movie season start financially.
WiseMan wrote:Brokebot wrote:Bingo. Hollywood just keeps churning out their "representation" schlock "for modern audiences" and the audiences aren't playing along anymore. A lot of people are tired of seeing our favorite characters deconstructed to push an agenda. And Geriatric Jones and the Condescending Sidekick is expected to leave a crater when it drops. Top Gun Maverick, Spiderman No Way Home, and Super Mario Brothers prove that you give people what they want to see rather than what you want to force on them, they'll show up.
I've been a TF fan since the beginning and I've seen it all. What I haven't seen, but desperately want to, is a TF movie based on Lost Light. Show me a trailer with Ultra Magnus getting drunk in a bar and people jumping off a roof on him to force him to transform and my butt will be in a movie theater seat to see it. And I bet others would want to see, too.
Hahahaha, very funny. Though I am surprised to see that franchise escaped your grip, Death, I was sure it was a goner after the last one.
We have recent films that show the opposite can work just as well. Black Panther 2 had a female Black Panther and a race switch for Namor for latin american representation and it did very well...
And the biggest film right now is Spider-verse which is all about diversity (both the protagonist and antagonist are people of colour).
Plus it has some very politically divisive messages, including a Protect Trans Kids message. But the conversation and controversy has died down after the film was a huge box office success and didn't fit that go woke go broke narrative.
Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
o.supreme wrote:I don't think Transformers is performing badly so much as being lost in the glut of mediocre summer films ( except Spider Verse which is shining). Which unfortunately has the same result.
In years past, even in a crowded summer, every film would usually have 2 weeks to dominate before the next big one came along. Flash and Elemental are not great films, but they both arrived in a week and stole much of RotB box office take. Fortunately it is still doing well internationally,but it could be seen as a financial failure due to budget despite good word of mouth.
william-james88 wrote:I don't think Brokebot would like anything based on the Lost Light since a big part of it deals with same gender relationships along with gender identity (in the last bit) and from what they've written, they could interpret that as pushing a message.
cloudballoon wrote:How much control does Paramount have to booking Premiere weekend that doesn't bumping into another Blockbuster/Tentpole movie nowadays, especially during the summer/holiday season? Seems like we get a Big Franchise(tm) movieor two every month anyway, shared between Marvels/DC/Jurassic Park/Fast/John Wick/Cruise/Disney-Pixar/Dreamworks/Etc. and the like. There's always stiff competition between either big movies or against reduces movie-going crowd during the slow months.
What's so hard to grasp the concept of making a good movie first?
I think Caple Jr. made a fine TF movie in ROTB. But it suffered from name recognition (vs. Bay) and also general non-TF diehard audience fatigue, it's also not helped by the "professional critics" either. These are not the movie's quality or director's fault, but one thing it could've done is get some Star Power for its leads. Ramos & Fishback are too unknown... not faulting them personally, I don't care and I actually think they're fine, charming even, but I do honestly think it's a factor for the general audience.
Personally, I don't think I care if a TF movie cut the CGI production budget by half if the plot & acting (human AND voice actors for the bots) are great. Bumblebee was a Great TF live-aciton movie (at least #2 for me, if not #1 because of my nostalgia for '07) and doesn't cost as much as ROTB. IIRC, Bay was boasting about OP having 10 thousand moving parts in its CGI.... which I immediately thought was stupid (and a f'ing headache for Hasbro), we don't need that kind of waste. BBM & ROTB used the CGI budget much smarter I think.
william-james88 wrote:Yes, BBM and ROTB did use the CGI more wisely (BBM especially). One thing though, as mentionned by Caple, the CGI costs the same regardless of what the robot is doing. Cutting the CGI budget in half means you cut out the robots by half, so you end up with them as props like in the Bay films, and have the humans take up the screen time.
Or hire a director whose #1 priority is the subject matter.SkyFire Prime wrote:...Next time don't do Wheeljack dirty
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