Brokebot wrote:Remember, a movie never fails because they made a movie few people wanted to see. It fails because we fans are too stupid to appreciate their artistic vision or the stars were out of alignment their dog had covid or some other nonsense.
-Kanrabat- wrote:Brokebot wrote:Remember, a movie never fails because they made a movie few people wanted to see. It fails because we fans are too stupid to appreciate their artistic vision or the stars were out of alignment their dog had covid or some other nonsense.
I expect the director to blame some "isms" if the movie doesn't do well enough.
cloudballoon wrote:Like I said, ROTB is fine... middle of the road in terms of live-action TF movies. Never expected a TF movie (or DC/Marvel or any franchise for that matter) to be masterpieces.
What I expect is some sensical bot fight choreographies & cool transformations, and it delivers more than most. You know, a reason to turn off the brain, enjoy some popcorn and a sense of fun. Million plots holes can be damned in a summber blockbuster movie for me.
Many of these summer movies are no longer fun. They're still spectacles, yes, but not fun.
The worse part of ROTB is the (again) human characters. This time is for different reasons than the Bay films. I'm not anti-woke, but what some people called "woke" issues - whatever that is - need to be addressed sensibly, if warranted in a plot. I can't see why or how that's needed in a TF movie though. When you "checkmark" representation/"woke" issues and not doing a justifiably good job about it, then that's just terrible, as it opens the movie to needless criticisms and lost sales as a certain set of society just love to boycott these movies. It's too bad I like Ramos & Fishback enough (much better than Bay selling sexploitisms & over-the-top toilet "humors") but their characters are not great in ROTB.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Kinda surprising just how lackluster the box office this weekend was in general.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Brokebot wrote:The story has to come first. All other considerations are secondary. Take Star Trek for example. Back in the 60's, ST:TOS would have been considered woke as hell, but because of the heavy censorship they had to deal with, they had to weave their message into a compelling story that Ma and PA Middle-America could watch with the kids without freaking out. To this day, those shows are still watchable and far more compelling than the ham-fisted nonsense they're putting out now.
Except maybe the third season of Picard. That was on point.
Right, because Bay never had any unlikable white human characters in his mov--OH WAIT, the majority of his white human characters were insufferable.Coptur wrote:the human characters were annoying as could they be and any negative human was surprise surprise white person...
It was his holographic illusion technology. He used his hologram tech to give himself the appearance of other vehicle modes. It's why he kept reverting back to his normal Porche altmode instead of treating any of the other vehicles he mimicked as his new default altmode.Coptur wrote:Mirage being an everything former is just lazy. tranformers characters used to have specific functions limiting their alt modes but no now they can be anything whenever they want without any consquences but never mind we need a truck now.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
Cheesinator wrote:I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda. We've seen it now, and and aside from the protagonists being nonwhite, was there anything particularly progressive about it? I don't really keep up with alright stuff, but do people consider the inclusion of non-vehicle Maximals as 'too diverse' for their liking...?
Regarding the box office, these really are strange times. I can certainly understand it; there have been several films recently I was excited to see, but knowing they were all coming to streaming quite soon I opted to just wait for that. The only films I'll make much effort to see on a big screen now are horrors (since they really just have a different vibe when watched in a dark theatre) or movies that look like they'll have incredible cinematography. I'm a little curious to learn how much streaming deals impact the bottom line for these kinda movies, since it's increasingly seeming like box office doesn't give the whole picture.
I just hope RotB does well enough that we keep getting transformers movies. I've only really liked 3 of them, but I love me that movie aesthetic for the figures.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
The irony being that the scene was all about Wheeljack's voice, when it's his design that people have been accusing of looking (to put it politely) "too ethnic".First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
I think you're right. Still, makes a point and is funny.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The irony being that the scene was all about Wheeljack's voice, when it's his design that people have been accusing of looking (to put it politely) "too ethnic".First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
I think you're right. Still, makes a point and is funny.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Yeah, as soon as his design was first unveiled, a whole lotta Urkel comparisons sprung up.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The irony being that the scene was all about Wheeljack's voice, when it's his design that people have been accusing of looking (to put it politely) "too ethnic".First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
I think you're right. Still, makes a point and is funny.
Never thought of that. Good point. I tend to look at people as organs, skin, and cells because I've been in healthcare for 27 years and ignore skin unless there is a rash, laceration, or wound. I blew right by that I guess.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
YoungPrime wrote:Randomhero wrote:It still has yet to be released in a lot of countries but sure… let’s draw conclusions already.
What conclusion...?
Hollywood gets the most of it's return from the domestic box-office. This is fact! And at this rate it may not even reach $200M here in the states. Which isn't a good look. Sure international box-office will help but if you Google China box-office you'll see that Studios only get 25% of whatever that is if they're lucky.
So the only "Conclusion" that I've personally jumped on years ago was Hasbro finding someway to get all of their Movie rights back ASAP! Because Paramount trying to promote some lame crossover when they can't even get either IP right separately is not going to cut it!
Sabrblade wrote:Yeah, as soon as his design was first unveiled, a whole lotta Urkel comparisons sprung up.First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The irony being that the scene was all about Wheeljack's voice, when it's his design that people have been accusing of looking (to put it politely) "too ethnic".First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The way I remember the scene, Noah hears Wheeljack speak, asks him about his accent, Wheejack's like "What accent?", Noah's like "Oh, I was gonna say (something in Spanish) but my bad, man." Then Wheeljack's like "That's, uh, kinda racist if you're just assuming based on how my voice sounds." Then Noah mutters to himself and Elena, "He's a giant alien robot, how is that racist?" I'm paraphrasing, of course.First-Aid wrote:I thought it was interesting how, whether intentional or not, they threw mild shade at the people complaining about the Twins in ROTF being racist when Wheeljack accused Noah of being racist and Noah kind of mumbled "It's a robot...how can it be racist?" (or something to that effect)
I think you're right. Still, makes a point and is funny.
Never thought of that. Good point. I tend to look at people as organs, skin, and cells because I've been in healthcare for 27 years and ignore skin unless there is a rash, laceration, or wound. I blew right by that I guess.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Sabrblade wrote:Right, because Bay never had any unlikable white human characters in his mov--OH WAIT, the majority of his white human characters were insufferable.Coptur wrote:the human characters were annoying as could they be and any negative human was surprise surprise white person...It was his holographic illusion technology. He used his hologram tech to give himself the appearance of other vehicle modes. It's why he kept reverting back to his normal Porche altmode instead of treating any of the other vehicles he mimicked as his new default altmode.Coptur wrote:Mirage being an everything former is just lazy. tranformers characters used to have specific functions limiting their alt modes but no now they can be anything whenever they want without any consquences but never mind we need a truck now.
Coptur wrote:The nurse, the security boss and the museum boss. Even the gijoe guy was a smarmy sod.
Cheesinator wrote:I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda.
And after seeing the movie, there really wasn't much of that in the movie anyway.Brokebot wrote:Cheesinator wrote:I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda.
It comes primarily from his comments about how he was going to use the movie to highlight black/Latino culture
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The irony being that the scene was all about Wheeljack's voice, when it's his design that people have been accusing of looking (to put it politely) "too ethnic".
Sabrblade wrote:And after seeing the movie, there really wasn't much of that in the movie anyway.Brokebot wrote:Cheesinator wrote:I'm genuinely surprised people are still complaining that RotB was too 'woke' or that the director was pushing some evil agenda.
It comes primarily from his comments about how he was going to use the movie to highlight black/Latino culture
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