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[Rodimus Prime]

:PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe

What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.

I don't get how people think a Beast Wars movie is a good idea. The story of Beast Wars is too complex to be told in 2 hours, unless it's limited to a handful of Transformers characters and all the events of the series get crammed into the movie. Leaving them out would cripple the story severely. If they go in another direction and come up with an all-new story, it would have to be a prequel to the series.

With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc.

Don't give them any ideas, in case any of them are reading these boards.

of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.

As bad as that is, it would still be a step up over the disgusting interracial garbage they tried to pass off as romance in the Bee movie.

[Evil Eye]

:PRAY: Please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie, please lead to Beast Wars movie... And also a reboot because this movie is too different from Bay's universe, and it'd be nice to see a new cinematic Transformers universe

What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.

I don't get how people think a Beast Wars movie is a good idea. The story of Beast Wars is too complex to be told in 2 hours, unless it's limited to a handful of Transformers characters and all the events of the series get crammed into the movie. Leaving them out would cripple the story severely. If they go in another direction and come up with an all-new story, it would have to be a prequel to the series.

I'd agree, unless it was an original story not actually set in the BW continuity but heavily inspired by BW it wouldn't work. I can't see it turning out well anyway, and to be honest I don't think it's necessary. Animation aside, BW still holds up very well.

With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc.

Don't give them any ideas, in case any of them are reading these boards.

If Knight or someone like him (a fan of the series) was at the helm then I can't see that being an issue. Though to be fair BW could be pretty low brow at times (remember Rhinox's indigestion episode?).

of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.

As bad as that is, it would still be a step up over the disgusting interracial garbage they tried to pass off as romance in the Bee movie.

I assume the word you're looking for is "interspecies", as in Bumblebee X Charlie, because interracial means something quite different and might raise a few eyebrows!

[ZeroWolf]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

[Ig89ninja]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

SPOILER

But weren’t they just friends at the end of the film

[Rodimus Prime]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?

[Flashwave]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?

Would I prefer more of Bee and Charlie over another Human? Absolutely. But I think for the arc of Charlie’s emotional growth this was the best and only option.

Remember,, she says int he beginning that what’s eating her up was that she never got to say good bye to her Dad. And take it from someone who lost their father at the same age, but had 5 years to prepare for it, that’s an important thing to miss out on. Bee wasn’t really a surrogate Dad, but he was the first person she could connect with after that And since her Dad was a Car Guy, having someone like him manifest AS a car was probably a close enough bridge. When she thought Bee was dead at the bottom of the DryDock, she dove in to do just that, (or that’s my interpretation.) And getting to say it properly to Bee at the end set it in stone.

In my head, Bee tries to revisit his old friend sometime later, by surprising the now Mechanic Charlie at a repair facility. However. While up on the lift, Charlie manages to recognize the old battle wounds first, and shouts Oh my God a Decepticon!” Causing Bee to attempt to Transform and go on the Defensive, but of course he’s on a car lift and transforming doesn’t go... exactly as planned. Two old friends reunite with Bee hanging like a broken marionette, half transformed, 7 feet off the ground, unharmed but stuck, running through old clips of exasperations while Charlie is rolling on the floor laughing.

[Rodimus Prime]

she says int he beginning that what’s eating her up was that she never got to say good bye to her Dad. And take it from someone who lost their father at the same age, but had 5 years to prepare for it, that’s an important thing to miss out on. Bee wasn’t really a surrogate Dad, but he was the first person she could connect with after that And since her Dad was a Car Guy, having someone like him manifest AS a car was probably a close enough bridge. When she thought Bee was dead at the bottom of the DryDock, she dove in to do just that, (or that’s my interpretation.) And getting to say it properly to Bee at the end set it in stone.

But did it have to bring their friendship to a definite close? Or did he just think he had to leave because Prime showed up

In my head, Bee tries to revisit his old friend sometime later, by surprising the now Mechanic Charlie at a repair facility. However. While up on the lift, Charlie manages to recognize the old battle wounds first, and shouts Oh my God a Decepticon!” Causing Bee to attempt to Transform and go on the Defensive, but of course he’s on a car lift and transforming doesn’t go... exactly as planned. Two old friends reunite with Bee hanging like a broken marionette, half transformed, 7 feet off the ground, unharmed but stuck, running through old clips of exasperations while Charlie is rolling on the floor laughing.

[Sabrblade]

She had to say goodbye in order to move on and heal. She needed that closure that she never got to have with her dad.

[Munkky]

And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.

[ZeroWolf]

And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.

To borrow a Furmanism "It never ends..."

[Deadput]

And with this news, I may take a short break from Transformers. There's still a handful of figures I still want, like Studio Series Jetfire and Siege Shockwave, but overall I think I'll dip out and come back once the brand's "Back to Basics, Back to the 80's" phase has ended.

Well reason we are in that "phase" right now is because the franchise needs to heal, it needs to go in the safe direction.

Expect the next movie whether it's part of a new reboot universe or a prequel (Or maybe even sequel that ignores the Unicron plot for now) to the Bay films to not bring in anything drastically new and instead a rehash of a previous story in the franchise.

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.

[-Kanrabat-]

I really hope that Bumblebee is a soft reboot of the movie franchise. It's a GOOD movie that deserves it's own series.

It also give hopes for a possible BEAST WARS movie done the same way.

[-Kanrabat-]

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.

But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers".

[TulioDude]

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.

But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers".

I agree

[Ig89ninja]

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.

But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers".

I agree

That was ROTF

[Deadput]

Like a Force Awakens of Transformers.

But we certainly WON'T need a "The Last Jedi of Transformers".

Certainly wouldn't want that of course.

It will probably be a G1 based story (A simple sort of story), maybe with a "minor" mcguffin (Hopefully not) but probably just a skirmish or a fight for energon/resources.

A story like the first 3 parter More then Meets the Eye episode(s) of G1 would probably be nice, although I've outgrown the Transformers I will always have a soft spot for that 3 parter. A movie like that would probably be nice.

[15ngcs1]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?

Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?

[Deadput]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?

Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?

Now that you mention it I think that is indeed the point to his character, not even acknowledging the character at first but Bumblebee gives Charlie the opportunity to be able to have real friends again.

Plus having Memo around means that Charlie still has a friend after Bumblebee leaves because it would be kind of a bitter ending if Charlie is left all alone again even with a better relationship with her family.

(Plus I think he also exists so people don't end up thinking Bumblebee and Charlie's relationship is "romantic" which I will say was a big worry to me prior to seeing the movie, not that I have any problem with the concept of a Transformer and Human romance but I don't think a movie would be able to portray that well and it would be controversial both in the fandom and the general audience.)

[Sabrblade]

I thought he meant the humans with the romance comment

I did. The end result may have been friendship, but that was still cringeworthy. And because of the end result being a friendship, it was totally unnecessary.

Also, it's almost a given that there will be at least one sequel. Is Bee going to find yet another human to be best friends with before he gets to Sam? Wouldn't it have been better to leave Bee and Charlie's friendship open-ended so it can be built on in a possible sequel?

Isn't the point of Memo to show that after Charlie's dad died, she wouldn't let anyone into her life, but after meeting Bee, she could?

Now that you mention it I think that is indeed the point to his character, not even acknowledging the character at first but Bumblebee gives Charlie the opportunity to be able to have real friends again.

Plus having Memo around means that Charlie still has a friend after Bumblebee leaves because it would be kind of a bitter ending if Charlie is left all alone again even with a better relationship with her family.

(Plus I think he also exists so people don't end up thinking Bumblebee and Charlie's relationship is "romantic" which I will say was a big worry to me prior to seeing the movie, not that I have any problem with the concept of a Transformer and Human romance but I don't think a movie would be able to portray that well and it would be controversial both in the fandom and the general audience.)

And Memo becoming her friend also seemed to serve as a means of subverting the age-old cliche of "guy and girl get together by the end of the movie when there's little reason for them to do so", showing that they can be just friends in a platonic way without needing for force them into a romance. Sure, Memo was attracted to her, but he's an awkward boy-next-door type teenager, of course he'd find her attractive. The point of his offering to her hold her hand and her declining his offer shows strength in the writing for both Charlie's character (showing her independence not needing to jump into any kind of romantic relationship) and Memo's character (when Charlie declines his offer, the fact that he's cool with it shows that he can be the better man and respect her wishes with honor and grace, content with her at least opening up to him as a new friend).

[o.supreme]

Not exactly sure how they can call BB *profitable* just yet, unless they are just counting chickens before they hatch. i can see it being profitable, maybe within the next 2 weeks, but not just yet.

Most people go by the general rule now, that for a movie to be considered *profitable* its WW Gross has to be at least 3X it's budget. (to incorporate money for advertising, ancillaries etc...). For instance, some horror movies that have budgets of less than 10M, are easily profitable, if they make only 100M, (just domestically), they have already made 10x their budget.

For instance Transformers TLK (an awful film to be sure) had a budget of 217M, and a final WW Gross of 605M (92% of 3X its budget), thus it was not only a failure critically, but also financially.

However BB, while having a much more modest budget of only 135M, has to date only made 364M WW (90% of 3X it's budget, still less percentage wise than TLK). Now while there is a *possibility* BB could still rack in another 40M Globally in the next 2-3 weeks, it's not entirely a guarantee. Unless the advertising/ancillaries for this film were again, much ,more conservative, then I guess they *technically* could call it a financial success.

Of course, none of this takes away the fact that general audiences, and critics seem to universally agree that BB IS the best Live Action TF film to date, its just that the *general audience* that is going to see this film is a relatively small crowd.

I'm happy that awards buzz (no pun intended), is Giving Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse an extra push. I just hoped that positive word of mouth would do the same for BB (no awards contention necessary).

[Flashwave]

Not exactly sure how they can call BB *profitable* just yet, unless they are just counting chickens before they hatch. i can see it being profitable, maybe within the next 2 weeks, but not just yet.

Most people go by the general rule now, that for a movie to be considered *profitable* its WW Gross has to be at least 3X it's budget. (to incorporate money for advertising, ancillaries etc...). For instance, some horror movies that have budgets of less than 10M, are easily profitable, if they make only 100M, (just domestically), they have already made 10x their budget.

For instance Transformers TLK (an awful film to be sure) had a budget of 217M, and a final WW Gross of 605M (92% of 3X its budget), thus it was not only a failure critically, but also financially.

However BB, while having a much more modest budget of only 135M, has to date only made 364M WW (90% of 3X it's budget, still less percentage wise than TLK). Now while there is a *possibility* BB could still rack in another 40M Globally in the next 2-3 weeks, it's not entirely a guarantee. Unless the advertising/ancillaries for this film were again, much ,more conservative, then I guess they *technically* could call it a financial success.

Of course, none of this takes away the fact that general audiences, and critics seem to universally agree that BB IS the best Live Action TF film to date, its just that the *general audience* that is going to see this film is a relatively small crowd.

I'm happy that awards buzz (no pun intended), is Giving Spider-Man Into the Spiderverse an extra push. I just hoped that positive word of mouth would do the same for BB (no awards contention necessary).

Not sure I understand ypur point 100%, but Bee's total as of thr article was 100m Domestic+ 307m ww, for a total income of 407. Which put them at 99.5% of 3x Budget. Yes no?

[o.supreme]

boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm

[Flashwave]

boxofficemojo.com reflects 367M, as of this weekend (109M Domestic, 258M foreign)**this total has been updated since I initially posted earlier

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?i ... rmers6.htm

Odd.

Speaking at the Citi TMT West Conference in Las Vegas this last Wednesday, Bakish made explicit reference to Bumblebee’s success, and that it had proven “solidly profitable”. Bakish specifically compared Bumblebee to 2017’s infamous The Last Knight, which had lost over $100 million domestically. As recorded by Box Office Mojo, Bumblebee currently stands at a domestic gross of over $100 million with a $135 million budget, with an additional $307 million grossed worldwide. Though relatively low compared to early films in the franchise, Bumblebee does appear to be steering the franchise back towards profitability.

So either the BOM numbers were adjusted down or the article made a goof. That would be the source of our confusion though

[ZeroWolf]

Did you enjoy the Transformers Bumblebee movie? Do you want to add the best looking version you can purchase to your collection? Got a Ultra 4K HD ready TV that needs something to test it? Answer yes to these questions and Best Buy have the product for you. Today they revealed their exclusive Steel Book Ultra 4K Blu-ray set for the Bumblebee Movie, priced at $32.99.



The set includes the Ultra 4K HD edition, the digital edition of the movie for you to download and the regular Blu-ray edition, all in a snazzy steel book which features artwork inside of Hailee Steinfeld's character Charlie and Bee watching the sunset.

Will you be picking this up or do you have a preorder else where? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

[shocksound96]

Just pre-ordered mine