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[15ngcs1]

I still have hope that one day Hasbro will do a DC and start putting out direct to disc/stream animated movies based on IDW arcs or other past comic arcs that warrant the work.

I've been saying this as well. Except I wouldn't want them to be limited to IDW content, as I'm not really the biggest fan of IDW, a couple stories here-and-there maybe, but there are over 30 years of lore from various other animated series, and comics to draw from.

As much as I enjoy the DC animated films that come out at the rate of 3 per-year, one of the biggest weaknesses IMHO is that they have an ongoing narrative based on New 52. They do break form this at times, which is great, but the new 52 stuff has been pretty *meh*. Death of Superman & Reign of the Supermen would have been SO MUCH BETTER if they had kept the original story/setting, and not tried to tie it to the New 52 version.

The same could be said for Transformers. Give us some new stories set in the original Sunbow animated continuity. Some Japanese stories, something from Marvel Comics, Dreamwave, Beast Wars, IDW...etc... a little form each would be great over time.

That's more what I was getting at with past comic arcs, though would they be able to touch the dreamwave stuff? Does the rights to the DW material revert to IDW when they got the licence?

Also I assumed the death of supes was the original story retold, had no idea it was based of a new 52 thing.

Back to Bee though, I don't understand why people keep assuming it's because it hasn't made enough money as its profitable now and there's still Japan to go. We're getting close to Chinese New year afterall...

Yes Chinese New Year starts on Feb 5.

[o.supreme]

BB is only 10M away from exceeding TLK US domestic Box Office. I am happy that it is profitable overall, and still has a few markets to be released in. I seriously doubt it will surpass the WWBO of TLK, but to surpass just the US Domestic BO of TLK would send a HUGE message, I would hope.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I'm super glad we're still climbing the dollar signs. I'm really hoping that we get more movies that take some more cues from this with some more action.

[shajaki]

Finally up at Bestbuy.ca

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[AllNewSuperRobot]

The same could be said for Transformers. Give us some new stories set in the original Sunbow animated continuity. Some Japanese stories, something from Marvel Comics, Dreamwave, Beast Wars, IDW...etc... a little form each would be great over time.

Those three would contradict each other though, Takara would be at odds with the ending to Sunbow and Marvel TF would need a lot of context. Plus given what I've read of RE-G1, I don't think any of them would hold up to modern scrutiny now. Not to mention the fact that a decent chunk of the original voice cast have passed away.

The Dreamwave stuff I have read, is low brow enough to approximate Sunbow/Takara/Marvel anyway. Beast Wars was self-contained, unless you want to see prequel stories or plots involving the Japanese BW cast. Furman's initial IDWverse would work very well as animated films. I mean he used everyone, right down to the Micromasters in Spotlight: Nightbeat and used them well.

[o.supreme]

The same could be said for Transformers. Give us some new stories set in the original Sunbow animated continuity. Some Japanese stories, something from Marvel Comics, Dreamwave, Beast Wars, IDW...etc... a little form each would be great over time.

Those three would contradict each other though

DC animated films are not a tight continuity universe either (except for the new 52 set ones), they are mostly meant to be stand alone films, not directly connected to each other in any way. There have been animated films based on The New 52, elseworlds, video game continuities, live action films, DCAU etc.... It's a free-for-all more than anything else. Even with things like Death of Superman/Reign of the Supermen, they altered the source material considerably.

I think the original Sunbow animated series has the most potential, because it's never been returned to, and was left open ended. But I included in all the others so as not to seem biased, a return to almost any continuity is good. Even *finished* stories such as Beast Wars can have new side stories, without having to be a prequel. franchises like Gundam do it all the time. - As for Dreamwave, IDW reprinted most of those stories, except obviously the ones that had no conclusion, so I wouldn't think anything is off the table. Furman's early IDW is dull as dishwater IMHO, but anything is possible if Hasbro were open to the idea, Things didn't really get good until All Hail Megatron, which, case in point, would make an awesome animated film.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

The problem is how do you sell a Sunbow, Takara and/or Marvel based film, who primarily use the same casts, time period and settings, as different stand-alone films? How would you address the disparity between Sunbow and Marvel Shockwave, for example?

As for using the main Beast Wars cast, we know how most of them end up. So other than follow on stories from the finale to Beast Machines (which would be a good idea) there isn't much else worth saying.

[o.supreme]

The problem is how do you sell a Sunbow, Takara and/or Marvel based film, who primarily use the same casts, time period and settings, as different stand-alone films? How would you address the disparity between Sunbow and Marvel Shockwave, for example?

As for using the main Beast Wars cast, we know how most of them end up. So other than follow on stories from the finale to Beast Machines (which would be a good idea) there isn't much else worth saying.

So, basically, you don't watch/enjoy any superhero films, because you've already read the comics, and know how everything turns out anyway..? ---It's not exclusively about creating new stories (though that can definitely be a selling point), but it's also about seeing the realization of stories from printed page into animation you might have always wanted to. I mean I read Infinity War 20+ years ago, and knew how the film was going to end..You are asking-.How do you market that? Would it make any money? ---

[william-james88]

The problem is how do you sell a Sunbow, Takara and/or Marvel based film, who primarily use the same casts, time period and settings, as different stand-alone films? How would you address the disparity between Sunbow and Marvel Shockwave, for example?

Haha, arent these the same questions we are aleady having with the Bumblebee movie compared to all the Bay stuff?

[AllNewSuperRobot]

So, basically, you don't watch/enjoy any superhero films, because you've already read the comics, and know how everything turns out anyway..? ---It's not exclusively about creating new stories (though that can definitely be a selling point), but it's also about seeing the realization of stories from printed page into animation you might have always wanted to. I mean I read Infinity War 20+ years ago, and knew how the film was going to end..You are asking-.How do you market that? Would it make any money? ---

My thoughts are Beast Wars is something that should be left in tact and untainted, on a high note, as it is. It has a distinct beginning, middle and end. No other TF series really has that.

Yes, but due to the ridiculous "evergreen" nonsense of Takara and Hasbro, to retread Sunbow/Takara/Marvel is redundant because WE ARE STILL THERE

The problem is how do you sell a Sunbow, Takara and/or Marvel based film, who primarily use the same casts, time period and settings, as different stand-alone films? How would you address the disparity between Sunbow and Marvel Shockwave, for example?

Haha, arent these the same questions we are already having with the Bumblebee movie compared to all the Bay stuff?

Indeed. Which is why this discussion is also still relevant to the thread. Basically how I see it, is a TF Sunbow, Takara and Marvel Comics film would be the equivalent of making three identical Batman films. With only a brief disclaimer at the beginning to say they are different.

[o.supreme]

Random Question: Let's *pretend* that in the very near future, that a surprise is found. Hasbro reveals that Rainmaker has a rough animatic of the unmade BW season 3 episode Dark Glass. Suppose they reach an agreement to invest a small amount to finish the episode, exactly as it would have appeared back in 1998. Additionally, Hasbro plans to make this available to anyone for purchase via a number of streaming sites for the nominal price of $5.00.

Now logically, in the Real World, this would probably be a losing proposition for Hasbro, but...is there a single fan here who can honestly say they have zero interest in seeing such a thing if it were true (which to be sure...it isn't)...

Which is why this discussion is also still relevant to the thread. Basically how I see it, is a TF Sunbow, Takara and Marvel Comics film would be the equivalent of making three identical Batman films. With only a brief disclaimer at the beginning to say they are different.

I'm not sure I follow, because earlier you talked about how different Sunbow, Marvel Comics & Takara were....Still, there have been several Batman animated films released in the same year, WITHOUT any such disclaimer, but the fans understand, these are different takes on the same character.

[o.supreme]

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[AllNewSuperRobot]

Which is why this discussion is also still relevant to the thread. Basically how I see it, is a TF Sunbow, Takara and Marvel Comics film would be the equivalent of making three identical Batman films. With only a brief disclaimer at the beginning to say they are different.

I'm not sure I follow, because earlier you talked about how different Sunbow, Marvel Comics & Takara were....Still, there have been several Batman animated films released in the same year, WITHOUT any such disclaimer, but the fans understand, these are different takes on the same character.

No, no you misunderstood. I said it would be hard to make Sunbow, Marvel and Takara different to the layman because they mostly use the same casts, time period and settings.
That is where my example was leading. Take Batman '89.
Now release it three times, in the same year. One is the untouched original, one uses washed out visuals and the third with redubbed voice overs.
That would be what separate TF films based on the source material of those three would amount to and I don't think people would be as understanding, in that regard, as you might think.

As for Dark Glass, I personally wouldn't be interested. Rattrap and Dinobot were never favourites of mine and when it comes to that episode in particular, if it didn't need to be included in the initial run of the show, I wouldn't see the point in it retroactively.

[Emerje]

For some time the man-made island of Odaiba in Tokyo, Japan has been home to a life-size Unicorn Gundam, but now there's a new bot in town. A life size Bumblebee standing nearly 12 feet tall and weighing in at nearly 1,900lbs is standing just steps away (literally steps, it's positioned on a set of stairs) from the famous Gundam to promote the Bumblebee movie which hits Japanese theaters on March 22. It's a very life-like statue as it gazes across the Festival Square.

And thanks to some Japanese fans on Twitter we have several photos to share!

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[Sabrblade]

Boy, the hometown of Digimon Adventure just keeps getting cooler and cooler with its giant robots scene.

[Wolfman Jake]

Thanks to a heads up from Seibertron.com member Survivefan23, we've been made aware of the release of the front cover art for the upcoming home release of the Bumblebee movie! You can pre-order Bumblebee NOW from Amazon.com, in three different flavors, no less: DVD, BLU-RAY + DVD + DIGITAL combo, and 4K ULTA HD + BLU-RAY + DIGITAL combo! Check them out below.

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There's no definitive date given yet for the release of Bumblebee on home video, but the posts on the "Bumblebee the Movie" Facebook page hint that it is "coming soon." Will you be adding Transformers: Bumblebee to your personal video library? Which version will you be picking up? Let us know in the comments below, and stay tuned to Seiberton.com for the latest news on all things Transformers.

[YRQRM0]

The poster makes it look like him and Dropkick are fighting alongside lol.

[Ig89ninja]

I will definitely have to get this movie when it comes out, it’s on my top 5 of 2018!

[Agent 53]

Let's see, will I be buying a film that I love, belonging to one of may favorite franchises of all time, starring my favorite character, who turns into my favorite car, co-incidentally the reason I love Bumblebee in the first place?;
Scrap Yeah!

[CollectorCaseZ]

This artwork makes it look like the Decepticons and Bee are fighting together but I'll probably pic this up since i think the US Steel Book look lame. - unless i could get the ITALY STEEL BOOK. That version look sweet.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Undecided. I'm hesitant and unsure why, so I'll hold off for now.

As an aside, that Gundam statue looks amazing

[o.supreme]

This artwork makes it look like the Decepticons and Bee are fighting together but I'll probably pic this up since i think the US Steel Book look lame. - unless i could get the ITALY STEEL BOOK. That version look sweet.

It also makes it looks like the standard DVD version has no Decepticons , man the quality of standard DVD really is getting bad

As an aside, that Gundam statue looks amazing

I believe that is the Unicorn Gundam in it's hyper mode, though I cold be wrong, also I think that statue was featured in Pacific Rim Uprising...

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Which, of course, I completely misread initially as Unicron Gundam... which really did confuse me when I saw the picture

[Nathaniel Prime]

This artwork makes it look like the Decepticons and Bee are fighting together but I'll probably pic this up since i think the US Steel Book look lame. - unless i could get the ITALY STEEL BOOK. That version look sweet.

It also makes it looks like the standard DVD version has no Decepticons , man the quality of standard DVD really is getting bad

As an aside, that Gundam statue looks amazing

I believe that is the Unicorn Gundam in it's hyper mode, though I cold be wrong, also I think that statue was featured in Pacific Rim Uprising...

Actually, the Unicorn Gundam Statue can convert between normal and super modes. It's really cool.

And I think that was the same Gundam in Pacific Rim 2, but I have to check to be sure. I am positive it is a Unicorn Gundam statue though

[o.supreme]

Actually, the Unicorn Gundam Statue can convert between normal and super modes. It's really cool.

And I think that was the same Gundam in Pacific Rim 2, but I have to check to be sure. I am positive it is a Unicorn Gundam statue though

Oh wow, I never noticed the daytime pics were in its standard mode, that IS cool ...we need some landmarks like that here in the states