The Energon Pub

[william-james88]

I'm going to agree with you on this one Mr. james88.

Very true. It's a sad truth that lots of 3P items need upgrades. I had to buy this for my Hercules...

It's too bad you had to spend that extra money, but those results are great though!

I'll take individual robots with proper articulation and plastic that isn't see-through over a slightly more accurate headsculpt thank you very much.

You have to play fair, Delta Magnus, your comment assumes that those are the only sacrifices involved. Of course, us all being fans here means we know they arent the same price points but your comment makes the added 300$ trivial. What you mean to say is:

"I'll take individual robots with proper articulation and plastic that isn't see-through for 450$ over a slightly more accurate headsculpt for 150$, thank you very much."

[griftimus prime]

so many people saying they wont buy this. watch it sell out day one on hts

[Burn]

so many people saying they wont buy this. watch it sell out day one on hts

Followed by those same people saying it was scalpers.

[Tsutsukakushi]

Think this is galaxies better than that Revenge of the Fallen Ultimate Devastator toy.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

This thing is so ugly, i am SO glad i purchased the Giant type-61. I'd rather sacrifice the size vs. The hollowness, cheap plastic and overall ugly prosthetic look of this thing

[Autobot032]

This thing is so ugly, i am SO glad i purchased the Giant type-61. I'd rather sacrifice the size vs. The hollowness, cheap plastic and overall ugly prosthetic look of this thing

Now, see? This is how a person should post an opinion. It's about the item itself and not those who would buy it. Everyone, please take note of this post and how to share your opinions in the future.

Yes, people are allowed to agree to disagree and respond, but please do so with respect and courtesy towards others, thank you.

[shajaki]

I'm surprised to see people commenting on the plastic quality... when literally no one has him in hand yet.

[G1OPT1MU5PR1M3]

It's not hard to see the hollowness of the plastic in these pictures, therefore you'd be a fool to buy something that you OBVIOUSLY can see,,, if you aren't a hardcore collector then maybe you can be fooled and have to buy it 1st

[Evil Eye]

I'm surprised to see people commenting on the plastic quality... when literally no one has him in hand yet.

It's the fact that light literally shines through the plastic that worries me- that shows it's not only thin, but pretty wanky too.

[Autobot032]

It's not hard to see the hollowness of the plastic in these pictures, therefore you'd be a fool to buy something that you OBVIOUSLY can see,,, if you aren't a hardcore collector then maybe you can be fooled and have to buy it 1st

And then he goes and posts this... *smh*

No one is a FOOL for buying this. It's statements like these that get people riled up. Can you people PLEASE stop baiting one another? Can you all just take a moment and make sure your posts aren't offensive before posting them?

It's not necessary to pepper your posts with things like "cheap parents" and "fool", which do offend people. This is why we can't have nice things.

Oh, and just because the plastic looks thin and hollow, doesn't mean that it is. CW Dead End? You can see light through his hood if you hold him up to a light, but the plastic is dense enough to be quite strong and has no real flex to it. Just because the plastic seems thin doesn't mean that it is or that it's quality is down.

Shajaki's right, until we have it in hand, we can't say what the plastic quality is like. Once in hand, however, if it's bad, then say so. Then you have proof.

[shajaki]

It's not hard to see the hollowness of the plastic in these pictures, therefore you'd be a fool to buy something that you OBVIOUSLY can see,,, if you aren't a hardcore collector then maybe you can be fooled and have to buy it 1st

Didn't we just talk about being respectful of posts? Try to express yourself and be mindful of others at the same time please.

I'm surprised to see people commenting on the plastic quality... when literally no one has him in hand yet.

It's the fact that light literally shines through the plastic that worries me- that shows it's not only thin, but pretty wanky too.

Things can be different in hand. Especially when its something that has to be physically felt, again that's a verdict I wouldn't jump to.

[bvzxa]

Currently there is no definitive Devastator. Hercules has the better individual robot modes and vehicles. Green Giant looks good as a stand in CHUG Devastator but the reason I held off initially was the individual robot modes look nothing like the G1 counterparts at all. Looking at Scrapper as the leg with HasTak one looks exactly like the Scarpper I know and love.

The other problem is these robots will have a correct scale. Most construction vehicles are huge. So it almost makes sense for them to be large.

[munkimus prime]

On the plastic quality. Maybe because this is a prototype that the plastic looks weak or Flimsy and the final product will be a lot better quality plastic.

Something doesn't feel right to me about Devy in these new pics but I'm not quite sure what yet.

[dragons]

An hasbro mistransforms things when they show off transformers plus mixmaster is probably shown backwards and geeze the arms are mistransformed

[Rated X]

Anyone want to take bet on an Alpha Bravo that Rated X will buy this and create pictures of him crashing tea parties and dollhouses just to continue his incredible lameness?

If you provide the doll houses and pay to ship them to Miami, we got a deal. I saw your collection thread and you seem to be quite talented at building wooden structures to display your figures.

This is flamebait, pure and simple. X, you can voice your opinion without offending others. The part I bolded above is certainly unnecessary and stuff like that needs to be omitted in the future.

How is throwing a few quirky jokes that contain absolutely no profanity into my comments offensive? Are we adults here, or are we 5 year olds? Is there really anyone on this site that is about to break into tears because I made fun of Hasbro Devastator?

Just because someone can't afford 3rd party doesn't make them cheap. Just because it was designed with kids in mind doesn't make it cheap.

In my comment I specifically mentioned “parents of 5 year olds” being cheap. I never attacked Transformers collectors of any income. I stand by my statement about parents being cheap because they know most little boys break their toys.

This has always been a line of TOYS, aimed at CHILDREN, made for CHILDREN, we are a distant 2nd place in terms of importance when one designs these items.

Newborn babies come right out of the whom with knowledge of G1 Devastator, Metroplex, and other 30 year old characters, right? I think collectors actually have a great amount of influence in the creation of the CHUG lines. Combiner Wars is proof of that. There’s always a kiddie line like RID, TF Prime, Animated, or simplified movie toys released every year for the kids on the shelves in much larger quantities. The reason CHUG still exists in its evolving forms is because of adult collectors. It is my personal opinion that the day we stop buying, CHUG is done.

so many people saying they wont buy this. watch it sell out day one on hts

Followed by those same people saying it was scalpers.

HTS might sell out on the first round, but then more will show up and saturate the online market. Think SDCC AOE Dinobots. Scalpers learned a valuable lesson. There are so many people on these forums already complaining about Hasbro’s price, who’s gonna spend $30-50 more ?

This thing is so ugly, i am SO glad i purchased the Giant type-61. I'd rather sacrifice the size vs. The hollowness, cheap plastic and overall ugly prosthetic look of this thing

Now, see? This is how a person should post an opinion. It's about the item itself and not those who would buy it. Everyone, please take note of this post and how to share your opinions in the future.

Now see? This is an opinion on how a person should post an opinion…

Some people like their chicken wings plain and bland. For me that is really boring. I like to throw on some hot sauce. I totally understand a staff member stepping in if profanity or personal insults become an issue. But should they really be stepping in and attacking people who don’t type comments in dull, robotic jargon? If everyone spoke like G1 Perceptor, these forums would be a total snoozefest.

[Autobot032]

This is flamebait, pure and simple. X, you can voice your opinion without offending others. The part I bolded above is certainly unnecessary and stuff like that needs to be omitted in the future.

How is throwing a few quirky jokes that contain absolutely no profanity into my comments offensive? Are we adults here, or are we 5 year olds? Is there really anyone on this site that is about to break into tears because I made fun of Hasbro Devastator?

No one mentioned profanity. I'm not sure why you're bringing that up. You're twisting what I said and the problem is, your twists don't provide you what you need to keep this argument going. No one's about to cry, either. You can make fun of Devastator all you want, others have, it's the people you mention while doing so that's the problem. And you know it. You've already been in trouble several times for this kind of behavior, why continue?

Just because someone can't afford 3rd party doesn't make them cheap. Just because it was designed with kids in mind doesn't make it cheap.

In my comment I specifically mentioned “parents of 5 year olds” being cheap. I never attacked Transformers collectors of any income. I stand by my statement about parents being cheap because they know most little boys break their toys.

Oh, really? None of the Transformers collectors on this board are parents? None of the casual fans and families that read this message board and website aren't parents? Really? If the posters with kids started lining up to prove you wrong, I'd bet you'd find the number surprising.

Also, we cater to fans, casual fans and non fans with our site and boards. People come here for news and gift ideas, people come here to find out about the movies, parents of 5 year olds (whom you deem cheap) come here with their kids.

The kind of post you put up here could push people away or make them think all Transformers fans think as you do and that's just not the case and your statement was offensive. You could've made the same point without calling the parents of children cheap. How you overlooked the fact that us fans are parents too is baffling. But it also tells me you just want to post attacks towards people and expect nothing in return.

This has always been a line of TOYS, aimed at CHILDREN, made for CHILDREN, we are a distant 2nd place in terms of importance when one designs these items.

Newborn babies come right out of the whom with knowledge of G1 Devastator, Metroplex, and other 30 year old characters, right? I think collectors actually have a great amount of influence in the creation of the CHUG lines. Combiner Wars is proof of that. There’s always a kiddie line like RID, TF Prime, Animated, or simplified movie toys released every year for the kids on the shelves in much larger quantities. The reason CHUG still exists in its evolving forms is because of adult collectors. It is my personal opinion that the day we stop buying, CHUG is done.

Wow, strawman argument much? That newborn babies line, I'll have to remember that when I'm at a loss for words and want to derail a thread whenever possible. Or, I could just go with facts behind me and let the truth play out. Might give that a try, eh?

As for CHUG being done once we stop buying? Yeah, I believe that's a solid possibility, no one said otherwise though. And Combiner Wars is still simplified enough that kids can enjoy it too. If it weren't for lines such as RID, we wouldn't have the funding for lines such as Combiner Wars. Hasbro uses cheap molds and ideas so the proceeds can fuel others. Kids will always come first and be the most important in Hasbro's eyes. Without kids, this line wouldn't exist.

This thing is so ugly, i am SO glad i purchased the Giant type-61. I'd rather sacrifice the size vs. The hollowness, cheap plastic and overall ugly prosthetic look of this thing

Now, see? This is how a person should post an opinion. It's about the item itself and not those who would buy it. Everyone, please take note of this post and how to share your opinions in the future.

Now see? This is an opinion on how a person should post an opinion…

Some people like their chicken wings plain and bland. For me that is really boring. I like to throw on some hot sauce. I totally understand a staff member stepping in if profanity or personal insults become an issue. But should they really be stepping in and attacking people who don’t type comments in dull, robotic jargon? If everyone spoke like G1 Perceptor, these forums would be a total snoozefest.

G1OPT1MU5PR1M3 posted an opinion of just Devastator, not the people buying it. (He did that later on.) You posted an opinion of Devastator (fine, allowed) and mentioned cheap parents buying it (not fine, not allowed) and that's where you crossed the line. You know you did, you know what you did wrong, you just refuse to admit it because it's the hip and cool thing to be fighting the establishment. Problem is, there's such a thing as civil disobedience and you're less than civil in almost all of your interactions on here. So no, my post was not opinion, it was FACT. You can post about an item and your dislike of it, leave people out of it.

I didn't attack you at all, not even once. Point me in the direction of a post in this thread in which I attacked you, personally. Please. Dig it up. Use the search feature and look for my posts. Find me ONE that shows a personal attack against you. You won't find a single one. Not. One.

No one's asking anyone to be dull and robotic, see there again you have to make more out of something than there is... We're asking you (and everyone!) to be polite and respectful towards one another and calling people cheap is not respectful or polite. That's not spicing things up, that's abusing the rules and disregarding others.

You prefer 3rd party over Hasbro's Devastator? That's great. That's your right, that's your personal opinion, you're welcome to it and can even share it. You think parents (that DOES include fans and collectors) are cheap for buying it? Not welcome to share it, keep it to yourself.

I shouldn't even have to explain this to you, you know better, you just choose to do this.

[fenrir72]

The Brazilian fansite Transformers Dioramas has posted some new images from Naabrin, the same show that brought us the hunking piece of ..plastic that is Generation Titan class Devastator last time. Check out below some close ups of the combined Constructicon robot, find more here, and compare them to the ones we have in the Seibertron.com galleries! What do you think, better or worse? Still excited about this release?

Oh BIG MAMA!

[Autobot032]

Oh BIG MAMA!

Indeed. I can't wait for this set to come out. It's going to look awesome towering over the rest of my collection with Metroplex.

[fenrir72]

Does it cost upwards of 400 dollars? Nope.

And for those of you who like to buy 3rd party, I'm somewhat jealous; it must be nice to be able to drop an extra $300 on something to make sure it's absolutely perfect.

But even then, the third party toys arent perfect. For instance, just look at the head sculpts and tell me which one looks best compared to this:



Do any of these heads:





Beat this one?



Nope! Not saying they are inferior, but 400$ still wont buy perfection. Hence why I couldnt care less for those when I have a Hasbro Devy for 150-170$. And plus, he has a great headsculpt. And to the first person to say "but wait, you can buy the upgrade for...", oh yeah like the first thing I want to do when I pay 400$ for a toy is to spend even more to fix it. No thanks!

Pics do not always translate to the actual color in the actual fig. wj88 is correct in this. Had that same experience with Tomy Sandstorm. And yes, I'd be following up the Tomy release. They might get the green right but it depends if they go for the TF Encore 20 color or TF Encore 20A color.

And guys, as much as I would like to respect the opinions of others, this is kind of getting stale. Comparing this to a 3rd party product? Jeez! Give it a rest. You pay what you get for! Did you compare a $ 400 + to a $ 150(?)+ official product?

And if you have no actual intention of buying it and go on a rant about scale etc, why not just put it in your sig that you are "NOT in Favor of Scale" that does not fit your preference. Does it have to be reminded every single time to the rest of the universe?

P.S. I like the Maketoys version too. Don't own one but it does look better than Hercules.

[padfoo]

Well, in no way is this near a perfect Devastator, I have so many problems with it, but you know what! Its an instant preorder for me. I still think it looks great, despite its many, many shortcomings. I don't like the plastic either but,its a give and take getting these things to market at affordable prices.

[Blozor]

All this discussion and no one's mentioned the assless chaps? He's basically Devy Lee Roth.

[Yotsuyasan]

so many people saying they wont buy this. watch it sell out day one on hts

Personally, even as someone on the record as saying he's not buying it, I do hope it sells out day one. Is it perfect? No. I think they are too large, and I think some of the individual bots are under articulated. But still, I think it is a damn fine looking toy overall, and anyone still in the market for a Devastator (or anyone who doesn't mind owning multiple versions of him) will hopefully get much enjoyment out of him.

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Also, in some of the posts recently, I've seen some pot shots from both sides reguarding pricing of Hasbro vs. Third Party... as if that has anything to do with the quality of the toy that this thread is about.

To paraphrase, and without naming any names:

"Enjoy your cheap Hasbrostator, I will stick with my third party version, thank you, and know I paid for quality!"

"Well sorry not all of us are super rich members of the 1% who can afford to shell out hundreds of dollars at a time!"

Really, both sides of that are ugly, and I'd rather not see it. I'm not a mod or anything, so there is no official weight behind that statement, but take this as a personal plea from one Transformers fan to the others in the community.

You know why third party toys are so much more expensive, and Hasbro ones are cheaper? Because Hasbro can produce them in bulk and third parties have to operate on a much smaller scale. I guarantee that if Hasbro produced Hercules or Green Giant, they would each be at least half the price. And if a third party produced a toy similar in scale to Combiner Wars Devastator, even with it's simpler design it would probably cost more than either of the third party offerings. So to me, comparing costs of Hasbro toys to third party ones is akin to comparing apples and oranges.

And as for who the sort of person who can afford to throw down for third party figures is... Well, I am a proud owner of both Green Giant and the Fansproject Stunticons, both bought during a period of extended unemployment during which I did not collect any unemployment benefits. So basically, zero income. So I am not a rich man. (Fortunately, I finally found some work about a month ago... Good thing! Savings were getting a bit thin! I was worried I'd have to pass up the Combiner Wars figures I did want!) But I wanted both of those figures, and at the time it looked like Hasbro was never going to do them, so I looked at my savings and found a way to make it happen, and preyed I'd find work before funds dried up completely. (Which I did, thank god! )

Yet other people, even if they do have income coming in, may not be able to justify such expenses. Perhaps they are trying to save more. Perhaps they have families and feeding their children is more important then buying themselves a toy. Perhaps they just honestly think $400.00 is too much for a toy even if they can afford it. It doesn't make that person any less of a Transformers fan or their opinion any less valid.

To sum up, the lower cost of Hasbro toys is not reflective of the quality put into them. Rather, it is reflective of Hasbro being a much larger company that can produce things at a lesser cost. Not everyone who buys Hasbro is a cheap person. And not everyone who buys third party is a rich elitist pig who looks down on everyone else.

So... well... can't we all just get along and enjoy Transformers toys together?

[prjkt]

Still on the fence here for a couple of reasons.

First: I have Green Giant, who's about the perfect height to face of with the standard CW figures.

Second: Size. As impressive as he is, I'm not sure I have any space for him.

However, he is an official release - and I'd really like to support these in the hopes that other big figures get produced down the track. Perhaps a Titan class Omega Supreme for Devs to face off against in a couple of years? (Based on the ~2 years between Metroplex and Devastator.)

Not fussed too much about "missing" articulation of the robot modes, as I'll be sticking to combined mode for display for the most part.

Whether or not I'll get him will depend entirely on price and availability. The current rumours here in Aus state the local big box retailers may have him on sale for the June/July toy sales, if not physically present, probably for the "Layby for Christms" promos they run. If that's the case I'll almost certainly grab him as $40-$50 a month won't be an issue (depending on local pricing, which is yet to be announced)

[Optimizzy]

Well said, Yatsuya, good post. I hope they do sell out...but I hope I can get one. I hope it encourages them to take more risks like this.

[Autobot032]

So... well... can't we all just get along and enjoy Transformers toys together?

^ THIS. *brofist*