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[MrBlack]

I like the stunticons, but menasor feels very hallow and is flimsy.and is difficult to stand.( mine falls back all the time)

I hope the constructicons feel/are sturdy enough to stand up, but considering he's 6 voyagers, I don't have my hopes up.

I had no plans to pick up the Stunticons. My experiences with CW Optimus did not endear me to that mold's combined form. That said, the Deluxes look pretty awesome from the pictures I've seen. I also got to get a look at Motormaster in person yesterday at my local TRU, and he certainly looked nice.

I'm still no fan of CW Menasor, but the Stunticons in their non-combined form are starting to call to me.

[King Kuuga]

I hope the constructicons feel/are sturdy enough to stand up, but considering he's 6 voyagers, I don't have my hopes up.

Get your hopes back up. We've seen this guy standing up on his own. Stability will not be an issue. He might not be able to hold a pose without some support, but that's a problem resulting from the intersection of physics, articulation, and cost.

[Emerje]

Wow, people really overreacted to these pics. To me it just looks like some guy without a clue of what he was doing picked up Devy, played around with him, took some pictures, and literally sat him on the shelf to be someone else's problem. I doubt the guy actually works for Hasbro, he isn't exactly dressed like a proper company rep (I'll point out that he's got braces on his teeth for those swooning over him) so he's probably just a fan like any other covering the event.

As for Mixmaster being hollow, well, yeah, where do you think the foot goes when it's not a foot? It folds down into that gap. The thinness of the plastic doesn't concern me, Hasbro has been using some surprising sturdy thin plastic for a while now. Plus you don't want him to be full of heavy plastic or else he'll never be able to stand.

I think this is the first time we've seen him in molded colors rather than painted like at Toy Fair. The colors do look a lot brighter now. That's going to bother some people for sure, but I actually like it quite a bit more than the pale green we've seen before (see WJ88's post above), it far more accurate to the cartoon version this way.

Emerje

[Ironhidensh]

I don't understand how anyone is looking at these pics to inform their purchasing decision beyond the idea of scale these pics give. We already have a bunch of far better in hand pics of this toy and all its components. I would strongly recomend looking at those for any indication of the toy beyond it's scale.

Here are a few examples:

Is gallery is what I based my decision not to buy on.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Is it just me, or are the individual robots similar in build to the ones in the Cyber Battalion line?

[william-james88]

Is it just me, or are the individual robots similar in build to the ones in the Cyber Battalion line?

Dont know, these have knees

[william-james88]

(I'll point out that he's got braces on his teeth for those swooning over him)

There is nothing wrong with braces. I dated a girl with braces once. We didnt cover all bases due to a primordial fear of mine but it was still a good time alltogether.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

now looking at this... right now would be the absolute perfect time to announce an retool of this mold as RID landfill but with extra members

or re-release Landfill under the Combiner wars Title as a substitute as when outside convention usage had the mold been recently used

You like RID Landfill that much?

a tad bit

as the Black friday version of the mold was one of the first figures i had along side Armada Hot Shot and some RID spychangers

there is nothing wrong with liking the classics

[Optimum Supreme]

Mistransformed shmishtransformed, looking at how freaking huge that thing is next to an actual human (assuming he's not a secret midget) almost makes up for Mr. Stator's left club foot. If I could afford it, I think I'd be on board for it now.

[hinomars19]

Umm...sorry, but to give me a good idea of scale you'd have to photograph it in the hands of a smaller than average, not so buff, dude.

Now I know how the average woman feels flicking through Vistoria's secret catalogues...

[Zeedust]

As for Devastator, I want to see him properly transformed and combined before judgment, even if its size is impressive.

I want to see him compared to one of the other Combiner Wars combiners so I have a better frame of reference scale-wise. But I've been lukewarm on this from the start; I have no real attachment to Devastator himself, and if a modern combiner doesn't Scramble or otherwise mix and match, it shouldn't need so much removable kibble.

[peaces]

he's only going to scale well with mp's

[william-james88]

he's only going to scale well with mp's

The individual figures maybe but due to mass shifting in the fiction, his combined size is actually more appropriate to the other generations figures than the other combiners are.

[King Kuuga]

As for Devastator, I want to see him properly transformed and combined before judgment, even if its size is impressive.

I want to see him compared to one of the other Combiner Wars combiners so I have a better frame of reference scale-wise. But I've been lukewarm on this from the start; I have no real attachment to Devastator himself, and if a modern combiner doesn't Scramble or otherwise mix and match, it shouldn't need so much removable kibble.

You can probably switch the arms and legs around like on G1 Predaking. At least they manage to reuse the combiner kibble on this guy, with the chest shield splitting into guns.

[craggy]

I love how a lot of the posts slagging off Hasbro for cheapness or mistransformations, and asking if they've no pride in themselves are filled with spelling or grammar errors that make the points hilariously hypocritical. People in glass houses shouldn't throw hand-grenades.

[Zeedust]

As for Devastator, I want to see him properly transformed and combined before judgment, even if its size is impressive.

I want to see him compared to one of the other Combiner Wars combiners so I have a better frame of reference scale-wise. But I've been lukewarm on this from the start; I have no real attachment to Devastator himself, and if a modern combiner doesn't Scramble or otherwise mix and match, it shouldn't need so much removable kibble.

You can probably switch the arms and legs around like on G1 Predaking. At least they manage to reuse the combiner kibble on this guy, with the chest shield splitting into guns.

If the fist pieces aren't interchangeable, Devastator's arms won't really be swappable even if they have the same connector.

As for kibble use? The other Combiner Wars figures have kibble that can be a gun, a foot, or either hand. And Menasor's chest shield is a whole other Transformer.

I dunno, Devastator just strikes me as primitive compared to the other combiners in the line. Sure, he's big, but he's less versatile, and his components don't looks as good on their own as the members of the other combiners.

[phantom1592]

I dunno, Devastator just strikes me as primitive compared to the other combiners in the line. Sure, he's big, but he's less versatile, and his components don't looks as good on their own as the members of the other combiners.

I can work with that though... As the first of the combiners I like the idea that it is a bit more primitive/simplistic and the scramble city concept wasn't perfected yet.

Kind of like the Shuraking Dinobots... they aren't as sleek or streamlined as the other masterpiece figures, but as the dinobots they are a bit more rough around the edges than Optimus and prowl...

[Super Megatron]

Along with Combiner Wars Optimus Prime, this will be another Combiner Wars figure I will be passing up.

I've got to say, I only picked up [Optimus] Prime because I am a slut for G1 (or G1-ish) Optimus Primes

I find this is very weak reason to buy a sub-par toy, especially if it is a representation of a character you worship. Hasbro knows there are fanatics and zealots out there that will buy anything just because it's a ______ (name of character of your choice) toy and will not discern the quality of the toy due some emotional attachment to the said toy.

Heck, I love Wolverine, but that doesn't mean I am going to buy a toy wearing a pink tutu and with joints looser than Kanye West's lips on Grammy night representing him. Think of it this way - the more you buy crappy designed and engineered Optimus toys, the more Hasbro/Takara will make them. This definitely would not do the character of Optimus any justice.

That said, I'm extremely relieved that the bulk of the effort on the design and engineering was focused on Silverbolt and the crappy design and engineering went into Optimus. I would had been extremely unhappy if it was the other way around.

even mistransformed, Devastator is nowhere near as bad as that POS or its repaints.

Agree. With Devastator, you can see some degree of thought put into the engineering of the toy. Can's say the same with Optimus, unfortunately. The only plus to the Optimus Prime mold is that they are using it for Menasor - a gestalt character that has not seen the light of the market since 1986-1988. While far, far from perfect, it's at least a reappearance.

I love how a lot of the posts slagging off Hasbro for cheapness or mistransformations, and asking if they've no pride in themselves are filled with spelling or grammar errors that make the points hilariously hypocritical. People in glass houses shouldn't throw hand-grenades.

I can only agree with half of what you said - most fans aren't multi-billion dollar companies with people hired to know and represent their product. I have issues with this toy purely from an engineering perspective (i.e. Mixmaster should had been design much better given it's a voyager size figure with lots of space to play with to hide the limbs and conceal parts that would had made a better looking vehicle mode). Hasbro has no excuse to be lazy, especially when this toy will command hundreds of dollars. Each.

[OptimalOptimus2]

Devastator somewhat looks like a combination of the two different heads he had in the original 80s TV series.

[Zeedust]

...Sheesh, am I the only one who's satisfied with CW Optimus?

I dunno, Devastator just strikes me as primitive compared to the other combiners in the line. Sure, he's big, but he's less versatile, and his components don't looks as good on their own as the members of the other combiners.

I can work with that though... As the first of the combiners I like the idea that it is a bit more primitive/simplistic and the scramble city concept wasn't perfected yet.

I could buy that more if the combined mode looked like the throwback, rather than the individual robot modes.

[MartianSpyGirl1996]

(I'll point out that he's got braces on his teeth for those swooning over him)

There is nothing wrong with braces. I dated a girl with braces once. We didnt cover all bases due to a primordial fear of mine but it was still a good time alltogether.

Not to mention he doesn't have braces... it's an underbite.
But yeah, since when is something like that a deal breaker? That's super shallow. Not that any of us are going to date him... we're just acknowledging a cute man

Edit: On second look, those are braces... it's a blurry picture Nevertheless it shouldn't matter either way

I clearly don't give a **** about Devastator

[Yotsuyasan]

I've got to say, I only picked up [Optimus] Prime because I am a slut for G1 (or G1-ish) Optimus Primes

I find this is very weak reason to buy a sub-par toy, especially if it is a representation of a character you worship.

I completely agree. I suppose the way I wrote that did make it sound like I'd buy anything Optimus. But I do have some standards. And if I thought it was a completely crap toy, I wouldn't have bought it. But I thought it looked like an okay toy, and for a Voyager class Optimus Prime that was "okay," I was fine with paying retail for him.

Also, your quoting me without including the following:

But once I had him in hand, he's a pretty cool toy.

...does kind of leave out the important context I was trying to get across, the entire point of my original post, where I express that whatever less then stellar opinion I may have once had of him before owning him has been much reversed by actually owning him.

Would you hypothetically have the same experience? Perhaps not. Not every toy is for everyone. But in my opinion, it isn't a bad toy.

...Sheesh, am I the only one who's satisfied with CW Optimus?

Nope.

[Blastback]

I'm really conflicted over this. Devastator himself is awesome, I'd scoop him up in a heartbeat. I love the size, he should tower over everyone else.

But what I really wanted were the individual Constructicons. And while the head sculpts are perfect and a huge selling point, between the lack of articulation, Long Haul looking like he shares my dietary habits,and some lackluster weapons, they are very underwhelming.

I'd been considering Green Giant, but again, what I really want are accurate heads....

Thank mod I got a while to make up my mind.

[King Kuuga]

I'm really conflicted over this. Devastator himself is awesome, I'd scoop him up in a heartbeat. I love the size, he should tower over everyone else.

But what I really wanted were the individual Constructicons. And while the head sculpts are perfect and a huge selling point, between the lack of articulation, Long Haul looking like he shares my dietary habits,and some lackluster weapons, they are very underwhelming.

I'd been considering Green Giant, but again, what I really want are accurate heads....

Thank mod I got a while to make up my mind.

With all the complaints of this nature, you can bet there will be third party fixes available for him that, combined with the cost of Devy himself, will still come out to be cheaper than Giant or Hercules.

[Blastback]

I'm really conflicted over this. Devastator himself is awesome, I'd scoop him up in a heartbeat. I love the size, he should tower over everyone else.

But what I really wanted were the individual Constructicons. And while the head sculpts are perfect and a huge selling point, between the lack of articulation, Long Haul looking like he shares my dietary habits,and some lackluster weapons, they are very underwhelming.

I'd been considering Green Giant, but again, what I really want are accurate heads....

Thank mod I got a while to make up my mind.

With all the complaints of this nature, you can bet there will be third party fixes available for him that, combined with the cost of Devy himself, will still come out to be cheaper than Giant or Hercules.

Really hope your right.