william-james88 wrote:Cobotron wrote:GuyIncognito wrote:Now that Generations Bombshell is joining Shrapnel (Skrapnel), can we assume that Kickback is coming at some point? (I hope they're not thinking "We already made a Generations Kickback (FoC), so we don't need to make another.")
I had this same fear.
I am having this discussion in another thread about classics and whether or not the CHUG line still has life in it. Of course it does! But my main question which was unanswered is if whether or not the FOC figures count. Sure, Megatron,Jazz, both Optimuses and Bumblebee are specific to that series and toyline on a shelf, but the game being part of Generations has given us characters we didnt get in GHUG before and I wonder if they count as our classics version of the characters.
Ultra Magnus was an interesting one. With the rumours of a Leader Generations Magnus, it would seem the deluxe from generations FOC was made simply to emulate the character in the game and not as a classics interpretation (which technically existed before as the white Optimus repaint). But that makes me wonder of other, like Grimlock. We had a classics Grimlock, but he wasn't the right scale. They give us one of the right scale but he's from FOC. So which one is the right Grimlock for a classics collection? Would a classics voyager Grimlock not emulating FOC make any sense? They havent put any of the other dinobots out yet, so would there be a whole new slew of generations dinobots including Grimlock, out in the works (or pipeline).
And what about Shockwave, Soundwave and Kickback (which was the start of my post)? So far, their classics interpretations in the toyline are from WFC and FOC (and soundwave has 2 sizes) so does Hasbro count them as part of their classics output and would not release another version of these characters?
Believe it or not, that would be my main question to Hasbro if ever I saw them at Botcon. I hope I am not alone in the confusion WFC/FOC has brought the the CHUG line (ps: isnt reveal the shield also part of CHUG?)
Well FoC/WfC definitely count as part of the Generations line from Hasbro's perspective. I have my FoC Voyager Soundwave box right by me and I can see it says "Generations". This was the line of toys in circulation at the time so it made sense for them to market it as part of that line, but I'd understand if people felt that the WfC/FoC should be their own line in themselves. The aesthetic is totally different to what the other CHUG toys are going for (pre-video games) in that it's a representation of the characters' Cybetronian forms.
One thing to consider is that the Generations versions of Thundercracker and Skywarp are retools of the FoC Starscream mould but not part of the FoC line as they're based off the IDW comics. I guess the lines are blurred there, but it's got to be down to your own personal head-canon. With that in mind I'd say that FoC/WfC and IDW are part of the Generations line, but you could treat them as spin-offs in a way.
Personally, I do count the FoC/WfC and IDW versions and display them with other CHUG figures, and tend to pick the version I prefer and what fits. If they did a Legends Kickback I think I'd retire the FoC version (although I really do like him!), because he'll fit in with the other 2 Legends figures. In the instance of Grimlock, I've got both the Classics and FoC versions and I will always use the FoC version simply because he's a hell of a lot better, IMO. At the same time, I prefer the Classics versions of the Seekers purely because, to me, the jet modes are iconic and there's a lot of nostalgia involved.
I am counting these Combiner Wars figures as an extension of my CHUG displays. The scaling and aesthetic still works for me and I'm really happy to be getting more combiners. Despite his rather obvious flaws, FoC Bruticus is my first combiner so I have a soft spot for him. Also, I still count the FoC figures and, barring a couple of alt modes, I like the look of the figures. The 3P add-ons help too. I'd be really interested to see if Hasbro come back for Bruticus though.