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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Madeus Prime » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:28 am

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peaces wrote:hasbro recently said they were going to make go-bots movies and toys. will that change anything?

Read the previous post dude.
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:31 am

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peaces wrote:hasbro recently said they were going to make go-bots movies and toys. will that change anything?
Hasbro may own the rights to the word "GoBot", but not to the characters and likenesses of the Hanna-Barbera cartoon and Bandai's original Machine Robo molds.

The last time Hasbro did a line called "Go-Bots", it was a Playskool Transformers line that had zero to do with the Tonka GoBots (and barely anything to do with the Transformers, even). Some theorize that the "Gobot" Trademarking that Hasbro recently did might be for a successor line to the Rescue Bots series.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:56 am

We JUST got off of the Harley Quinn derail, let's move this to the actual GoBots thread...
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:04 am

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Noideaforaname wrote:We JUST got off of the Harley Quinn derail, let's move this to the actual GoBots thread...
This isn't a derail. This is on the subject of people suggesting/wanting GoBot-based Generations Combiner Wars toys.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:40 am

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Depends on what they meant by go bots as they did produce a go bots transformers line a few years ago that wasn't linked to the old go bots series.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:42 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:Depends on what they meant by go bots as they did produce a go bots transformers line a few years ago that wasn't linked to the old go bots series.
"They" who?

Those in this thread suggesting GoBots CW toys mean the Tonka GoBots characters of the 80s, which I tried to explain won't likely happen.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:46 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Depends on what they meant by go bots as they did produce a go bots transformers line a few years ago that wasn't linked to the old go bots series.
"They" who?

Those in this thread suggesting GoBots CW toys mean the Tonka GoBots characters of the 80s, which I tried to explain won't likely happen.

I meant Hasbro. Though when I posted that I thought it was directly under Peaces post about a go bots movie. It was only after I realised there was more posts -_- and you had already mentioned the playskool toyline
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby SkyWarpt » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:20 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:For those wondering why neither Hasbro, Takara, nor the Club has done GoBot redecos beyond Movie Fracture and BotCon 2007 Bug Bite, it's because they really sorta can't. Hanna-Barbera and Bandai own the GoBots characters and likenesses, preventing there from being a Transformers toy done up in the colors of a GoBot and with the name and identity of said GoBot its deco is homaging.

When e-HOBBY did their six-pack Minibot G1 GoBots redeco set, they got around the legal trouble by using prototype Transformers decos that didn't resemble any of the GoBot decos, and by not even giving the six of them names or identities. The toys were all nameless and bio-less.

BotCon 2007 Bug Bite had its deco based on the nameless e-HOBBY toy, and while Club fiction has established him as officially being the GoBot Renegade of the same name, his bio did not directly identify him as such, instead remaining ambiguous about his true nature, writing him as an enigma among his peers:
Bugbite is a Decepticon shrouded in mystery. Many serving under Bludgeon are unsure as to why he gained such favor. commander of one of the finest ships within Bludgeon's army, Bugbite enjoys unusual freedom of action, often disappearing for months at a time with his eclectic crew of ne'er-do-wells on missions of which none of them ever speak. Many under his command have abandoned partners and friends without a word leading many to suspect even greater duplicity than is typical among the Decepticons.


And Movie Fracture was a very borderline case that played at least a part in TF companies' current reluctance to do any more direct GoBot homages. That figure was intended to be the GoBot Crasher, but couldn't be due to Crasher's character and likeness being owned by Hanna-Barbera and Bandai, and so became the different character of Fracture. But, its deco was still very much that of Crasher, making it walk the thin line of what TF companies could and could not do. Since then, there haven't been any more direct GoBot deco homages made, with any others being only "loose" or "indirect" homages in toys like ROTF Deadlift. But Fracture wasn't exactly an example of something that all parties felt "okay" with.

So if we ever want something like an official Transformers Cy-Kill toy, it'd either have to be in some deco that doesn't remotely resemble that of Cy-Kill, or it would have to be just a generic red and blue deco figure that isn't named "Cy-Kill", and either case's bio wouldn't be allowed to directly identify him as the GoBots Cy-Kill character. An official Transformers Cy-Kill toy that's colored like Cy-Kill, named "Cy-Kill", and identified as the GoBots Cy-Kill character cannot legally happen.

Same goes for all other GoBots.

That's a shame...GoBots never really stood a chance vs TF as a whole; but to be honest, GoBots vs minibots (which is essentially what they scaled as) beat the TF equivalent all day.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Desslok2201 » Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:37 pm

I don't want to begin the GoBots war, but I think those remembering them may be doing so with rose colored glasses. GoBots, while some of their alt forms were nice, the robots were awkward and weird, many times without distinct heads. Those who condemn Transformers G1 cartoons as terrible, dated, low quality, etc. should go take a look at Challenge of the GoBots if they really want to see a turd. There are many, many reasons why TFs have survived, and GoBots are a footnote.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:37 am

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You mean besides more aggressive advert from Hasbro?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby prjkt » Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:52 am

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I remember, very vaguely, watching a show over 20 hrs ago called "Machine Men" (which is what GoBots was called over here). I remember very little of it, other than my mum thinking I was talking about Transformers and thinking the Scooter guy was really cool.

Then not long after I watched my first episode of transformers, and thought they were the same thing. Turns out I was wrong.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby phantom1592 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:24 am

Desslok2201 wrote:I don't want to begin the GoBots war, but I think those remembering them may be doing so with rose colored glasses. GoBots, while some of their alt forms were nice, the robots were awkward and weird, many times without distinct heads. Those who condemn Transformers G1 cartoons as terrible, dated, low quality, etc. should go take a look at Challenge of the GoBots if they really want to see a turd. There are many, many reasons why TFs have survived, and GoBots are a footnote.


Some like Cy-kill had horrible robot AND Alt modes..

meh, same could be said for transformers though... as 'Toys' I could never really find myself 'playing' with them Not like acting out stories or anything... The vehicles were cool looking, but even some of the best robots modes were still either bricks or breakable.

Gobots had their chance by being cheaper and more acceptable to parents to grab on a whim... Transformers were usually 'bigger' and therefore cooler. I think I had more gobots but liked my transformers better... But regardless, I treated them all as puzzles more then I ever did toys... usually trying to see how fast I could change them as opposed to making them fight.

Always like Leader-1 though... I carried him around everywhere for a long time...
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby peaces » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:40 am

gobots were cool but not better than minibots.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Desslok2201 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 8:24 am

ZeroWolf wrote:You mean besides more aggressive advert from Hasbro?

That's one, sure
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:26 am

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Desslok2201 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:You mean besides more aggressive advert from Hasbro?

That's one, sure

I meant advertising but glad you got the gist of it :)

In one sense it was a classic case of business competition...Just not as bad as the first few console wars. For the life of me I can't remember who the company was that imported the machine robo line to the west (in the UK some places did sell machine robo toys but I need to check the date on them)
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Postby Agamemnon » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:29 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:You mean besides more aggressive advert from Hasbro?

That's one, sure

I meant advertising but glad you got the gist of it :)

In one sense it was a classic case of business competition...Just not as bad as the first few console wars. For the life of me I can't remember who the company was that imported the machine robo line to the west (in the UK some places did sell machine robo toys but I need to check the date on them)

Are you talking about Tonka?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:37 am

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Agamemnon wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:You mean besides more aggressive advert from Hasbro?

That's one, sure

I meant advertising but glad you got the gist of it :)

In one sense it was a classic case of business competition...Just not as bad as the first few console wars. For the life of me I can't remember who the company was that imported the machine robo line to the west (in the UK some places did sell machine robo toys but I need to check the date on them)

Are you talking about Tonka?


Tonka was responsible for the US, but in Europe and Australia it was Bandai proper, under the lines "Robo Machine" and "Machine Men". In fact, Bandai started releasing Machine Robo in those area before Gobots came into being, usually under the vehicle names instead of Gobot names at first.
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Postby ZeroWolf » Sat Jan 31, 2015 10:39 am

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Ah thanks Jelze that was it, had a number of them and their rock Lord cousins.
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Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:09 pm

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Has anyone combined Legends Thundercracker to Ultra Primes chest yet? I've not been able to get him pegged in straight. Thanks.
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Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:15 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:Has anyone combined Legends Thundercracker to Ultra Primes chest yet? I've not been able to get him pegged in straight. Thanks.


He's not supposed to: the pegs only work with the Blackjack mold. All you can do is have him hang in there with the help of the windows.
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Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 4:38 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Has anyone combined Legends Thundercracker to Ultra Primes chest yet? I've not been able to get him pegged in straight. Thanks.


He's not supposed to: the pegs only work with the Blackjack mold. All you can do is have him hang in there with the help of the windows.


Thanks. That's a little disappointing actually. I had planned to use Skywarp with Menasor as I'm not keen on the whole car-chest.
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Postby chuckdawg1999 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:08 pm

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MightyMagnus78 wrote:Has anyone combined Legends Thundercracker to Ultra Primes chest yet? I've not been able to get him pegged in straight. Thanks.


Yeah don't do this. All you'll accomplish is breaking Thundercrackers hands. I've seen a few people who've done this to Starscream and Thundercracker.
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Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:52 pm

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chuckdawg1999 wrote:
MightyMagnus78 wrote:Has anyone combined Legends Thundercracker to Ultra Primes chest yet? I've not been able to get him pegged in straight. Thanks.


Yeah don't do this. All you'll accomplish is breaking Thundercrackers hands. I've seen a few people who've done this to Starscream and Thundercracker.


Thanks. I definitely don't want to do that. Are the chest pegs the problem?
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Postby shajaki » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:18 pm

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Postby MightyMagnus78 » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:34 pm

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That mould looks so much better as Motormaster.
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