william-james88 wrote:frogbat wrote:william-james88 wrote:Yup, same price just exclusive to some retailers. And none of the selects come packaged with extras.
Cheers was thinking of the new Skywarp battle pack set - for some reason thought it fell in with the select imprint.
Its beyond confusing. But the main distinction is that the ones in the actual siege line are meant to accompany that line (like add more characters that go with the others released) while this selects line is giving fans decos that they probably would never get in a main line, something more along the lines of the Transformers Club and toys not meant to be in the same continuity/story as the actual War for Cybertron Trilogy.
bvzxa wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Agamemnon wrote:o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?
At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.
Sure!
Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g
(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)
So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!
Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?
Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Agamemnon wrote:o.supreme wrote:Agamemnon - Thanks for the pics. This does have me bewildered, but I appreciate the effort. Could you by chance weigh them both again (PotP Jazz & Ricochet) without their Prime Armor & weapon? No pics necessary, I trust you... . Perhaps it just seems they are made of flimsier plastic, which is giving me the illusion of being lighter?
At any rate, this is not my first experience with this. I was also really into Transformers Kreon minifigs, I pretty much got them all (except for Warriors series 3 and a few exclusives only released in Asian markets). But I did notice some of the late-run figs that didn't get released in the U.S. (or at the very least showed up at Places like Marshalls & TJ Maxx), were made of flimsier plastic.
Sure!
Jazz 83g
Ricochet 84g
(And I did confirm that the HFGs are 1 gram apart, accounting for the other gram of difference.)
So, the Prime Armors are actually sturdier/more massive plastic pieces now? That's unexpected, lol!
Well, Ricochet needs to be able to have those armor piercing rounds bounce right off him and hit Decepticons, right?
Thank you, thanks you. Tip your robo-staff on your way out, please.
One thing to keep in mind is the resolution of the scale you used. If it only went to the nearest gram, then the figures may actually be closer to each other in weight than 1 gram. For example, Jazz's real weight could be 83.4 grams and the scale would just say 83. At the same time, Ricochet could actually be 83.6 grams and the scale would say just 84. Of course the opposite could also be true with Jazz being 82.5 and reading 83 and Ricochet being 84.4 and reading 84.
o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.
Wolfman Jake wrote:o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.
Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.
Wolfman Jake wrote:o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.
Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:o.supreme wrote:I appreciate those that are answering my questions out of sincerity, but I'm really not creative enough, nor do I have the time to fabricate stories. All I can say is that compared to my PotP Jazz, - Ricochet is a floppy, loose piece of junk, same goes for Red Swoop in comparison with PotP Swoop.
Could it be "mold degredation?" That was something people used to bandy about a LOT in years past, especially when older molds were reissued. I wouldn't think PotP Jazz or Swoop should be that degraded yet, but you never know.
That soon? I wouldn't think so. We eliminated total amount of plastic as a possibility, another one I can think of is that the joints somehow are too smooth i.e. have nothing to properly grip on for friction.
Either way, I'd wait until more reviews and reports come in before drawing conclusions. It could very well be a one-off...
:EDIT:... and it isn't it, it's YMMV now:
On the surface maybe, but not in the details. The club's Sub Service stuff was much nicer than the retail product. Almost always had way more paint and often included additional accessories.Emerje wrote:Specifically the Selects line feels a lot like the Subscription Service. If that were still around this is exactly the type of figures we would have gotten (except for Star Convoy) and they even come in the same type of cardboard boxes (but without the printing and foam inserts). The only major difference is the price and the ease of getting them.
Emerje
o.supreme wrote:I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...
william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...
They are offered in North America, the MP line is also part of brand unification, starting with Cartoon Accurate prowl:
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... on/hse4006
ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?
ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?
ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?
o.supreme wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:But weren't all the toys made in the same factory anyway?
Yes, but until a couple of years ago, would have their production/assembly line run of their product several months later than Hasbro's. Often also with different packaging, accessories, and paint detailing, if not, something completely different.
Some have speculated that in the time difference between what was manufactured for and , QC issues could be found and fixed. But now, because of Brand Unification (meaning not only are the toys the same, but they are being produced at the same time), that QC issues have less time to be found, that would definitely explain the overall decline in quality for both & .
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:o.supreme wrote:I'm not conspiracy theorist...but this *might* explain the reason why the last few masterpiece figures have had quality issues despite them not even being offered in North America...
They are offered in North America, the MP line is also part of brand unification, starting with Cartoon Accurate prowl:
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... on/hse4006
Interesting, so is it basically just different packaging/lettering but each MP figure is released in both Japan & North America? If so, then, sadly, that bodes even worse for the reason why these most recent ones are having QC issues...
The later stuff was mostly fine but they certainly had releases with their fair share of issues. The '07 Seekers with duplicate/mismatched launchers, '09 Counterpunch's tiny head, heck even my 2011 Minerva had malformed hips that didn't get enough plastic into the injection mold and I had to butcher an Arcee to finish her.o.supreme wrote:^It's definitely a conundrum. I did manage to get all the TFCC Exclusives that were made from Combiner Wars molds, and I can definitely say, there was never any QC issue with them. I wasn't pleased with how much I had to pay for them, but I was pleased with what I got.
ScottyP wrote: Ricochet is an inferior representation of the character:
But hey, if I need a random combiner limb it'll come in handy so I guess it has that going for it. Also, it was 1/4 the price of the United one. Kinda. United version had a badass book included.
o.supreme wrote:^It's definitely a conundrum. I did manage to get all the TFCC Exclusives that were made from Combiner Wars molds, and I can definitely say, there was never any QC issue with them. I wasn't pleased with how much I had to pay for them, but I was pleased with what I got.
ScottyP wrote:But hey, if I need a random combiner limb it'll come in handy so I guess it has that going for it.
Return to Transformers Toys Discussion
Registered users: -Kanrabat-, Bing [Bot], Decepticon Stryker, First-Aid, Freezie, Glyph, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Ironhidensh, kirbenvost, Majestic-12 [Bot], Nemesis Primal