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Noideaforaname wrote:Stealth Claw wrote:As a Canadian I have a question? Why do ppl support Trump?
A lot of us down here are thinking the same thing...
I assume part of it is simply the two party system at play (conservative values = anyone but "the left" = Republicans = Trump) and people being unwilling to actually engage in politics ("My side is in charge, I trust they'll take care of things"), and if they do engage it's only to justify their position (whataboutism, cherry-picking new laws that support whatever personal issue, etc.). Tribalism, I suppose.
Part of me suspects that as the USA steadily grows more progressive, the Right absolutely refuse to shift Left by even the tiniest margin and thus has to resort to.... that.
Stealth Claw wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:Stealth Claw wrote:As a Canadian I have a question? Why do ppl support Trump?
A lot of us down here are thinking the same thing...
I assume part of it is simply the two party system at play (conservative values = anyone but "the left" = Republicans = Trump) and people being unwilling to actually engage in politics ("My side is in charge, I trust they'll take care of things"), and if they do engage it's only to justify their position (whataboutism, cherry-picking new laws that support whatever personal issue, etc.). Tribalism, I suppose.
Part of me suspects that as the USA steadily grows more progressive, the Right absolutely refuse to shift Left by even the tiniest margin and thus has to resort to.... that.
why doesn't the U.S. use more than two party's? like a 3rd party for views in the middle? I think us in Canada do great with multiple parties. (if your wondering I support our current leader Justin Trudue)
Caelus wrote:Stealth Claw wrote:Noideaforaname wrote:Stealth Claw wrote:As a Canadian I have a question? Why do ppl support Trump?
A lot of us down here are thinking the same thing...
I assume part of it is simply the two party system at play (conservative values = anyone but "the left" = Republicans = Trump) and people being unwilling to actually engage in politics ("My side is in charge, I trust they'll take care of things"), and if they do engage it's only to justify their position (whataboutism, cherry-picking new laws that support whatever personal issue, etc.). Tribalism, I suppose.
Part of me suspects that as the USA steadily grows more progressive, the Right absolutely refuse to shift Left by even the tiniest margin and thus has to resort to.... that.
why doesn't the U.S. use more than two party's? like a 3rd party for views in the middle? I think us in Canada do great with multiple parties. (if your wondering I support our current leader Justin Trudue)
We have more than two parties, and some candidates run as independent. And they aren't trivial - they're part of the reason candidates often win without the popular vote the other reason being the electoral college).
But the RNC and the DNC have the most money/resources to spend on campaigning, and most people would rather vote w/ a party they 75% agree with, and win, than vote with a party they 85% agree with and lose.
Caelus wrote: Okay, with all the talk about 'blatantly attacking others views' and such, it seems like people may have lost some perspective on the matter. To remind y'all, this is what it looks like when someone blatantly attacks your views:
For all the Trump supporters here whinging and quaking because they feel like their safe-space has been violated by some liberal bias, you're looking for oppression in the wrong place. Seibertron.com does not have a leftist/feminist/liberal/democrat/socialist/atheist/whatever agenda, nor do the admins/staff.
If they did, I'd be a hell of a lot more involved here.
See, I actually am the sort of 'rabid' 'intolerant' liberal that wants to destroy 'your' America. I actually want to amend the constitution to severely limit your access to guns. I want to tax churches. I want to tax the **** out of corporations and people in the top 1%, and I want healthcare, food, and shelter to be basic rights of people living in our country. I don't want creationism taught in schools as a 'science'. I believe sex education should be mandatory in public schools. I don't believe that church marriages should be legally binding institutions of the state, and I don't believe that you have any right to tell two (or more!) consenting adults that they can't live together, raise kids together, or file taxes together. I could go on, but I think I've made my point. Oh, well, a couple of other things I tend to take for granted but seem to be lost on some people - sexual assault is bad, women should receive equal pay for equal work, and cops should be held to a much higher standard than the rest of the population.
I'm not the most liberal person I know, but I'm so liberal, that - hypocrisy be ****ed - if I could deport all of the Trump supporters in exchange for Muslim Mexicans who want to be U.S. citizens, I'd take at most a week to deliberate on the offer.
However, I pretty much minimize my time here, because, guess what? Over the past twelve years or so, opening my leftist/feminist/whatever mouth has generally meant getting treated like **** by other posters, and left hanging by the staff, because - you know - condemning jokes about sexual exploitation of women is too 'political' for such a forum. Among the more (relatively) erudite labels I've been given, I've been dissed as a bleeding-heart, a snowflake, a SJW (because somehow 'social justice' is a bad thing), a 'liberal academic', an 'elitist intellectual', and - my favorite - a "godless atheist" - That was when I lost my staff position, by the way.
So yeah, you really think the staff on this site has some oppressive, liberal agenda?
That's been the best laugh I've had this week.
That 'liberal bias' you think is lurking around every corner? That's moderate Americans exercising their constitutional right to criticize a man so far down the rabbit hole that the left-right spectrum doesn't even make sense in the context of the argument anymore.
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