The Energon Pub

Yeah they Amazon prices are cheaper, but should I even bother? Amazon has screwed me twice in the past when it comes to Preorders. First with the Earthrise nosecones, and again with the Windblade model kit. If they don't have the stock to fulfill your order they just cancel it, and with the release date supposedly being at the end of this year I don't want to wait on Amazon while everywhere else sells out only for them to go "Sorry! We lied about how much stock we had again!" and leave me with nothing.

TheAmazingBrave wrote:Yeah they Amazon prices are cheaper, but should I even bother? Amazon has screwed me twice in the past when it comes to Preorders. First with the Earthrise nosecones, and again with the Windblade model kit. If they don't have the stock to fulfill your order they just cancel it, and with the release date supposedly being at the end of this year I don't want to wait on Amazon while everywhere else sells out only for them to go "Sorry! We lied about how much stock we had again!" and leave me with nothing.

That's why I always pre order from BBTS. I have never had a shipment cancelled by them, and I can cancel my orders as often as I want if I decide I don't want it after all.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

RotorstormNZ wrote:...but is there anything stopping us from getting a G2 Ransack?

There is some sort of Ransack coming in a Buzzworthy Bumblebee 4-pack, but we have no idea which Ransack it is.

I’m guessing either a retool/redeco of Legacy Kickback as G1 Ransack or a retool/redeco of Legacy Prime Universe Arcee as Cybertron Ransack are the most likely. I’d be happy with either, but I really want both!

Cybertron Ransack should be a heavy retool of Iguanus, imo.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Commander Class Lugnut, please and thank you.

In regards to the UT Primes on that list, would they all have to come with their respective combination partners to fit Commander, do you think? I would want to be able to purchase dudes like Jetfire, Wing Saber, Leobreaker, etc separately if possible just so they weren't only available through the Commander slot, but at the same time I can't imagine Energon Prime not coming with at LEAST the drones (unless they update the drones into being Weaponizers, which I would absolutely be down for).

Would absolutely be down with IDW Fort Max, Rail Racer, and honestly either/both Predaking(s).

I think it all depends on just how deep they go with the complexity. For Armada Prime he obviously wouldn't have electronics, but if they could still get the trailer into a convincing base mode AND give it knees that would be worth the Commander price! Including a Sparkplug would be nice even if it were a retooled Micromaster. For Energon Prime I thin they can do Leader class just fine. I don't really think of the trailer as essential, it was just a rack to hold the drones, it didn't do anything. If they just stacked up 2x2 on the back of Prime I'd be fine with that, just need to find a way to give them elbows and still be interchangeable. For Cybertron Prime I think The original was pretty close to how modern Transformers are designed so really they'd just have to take that and shrink it a bit to 7" scale, it'd be similar in looks to Rodimus since he doesn't have a trailer. Maybe make a new Core Cybertron Rumble repaint it as Coby's Rumble to include with him.

Might as well fill in the rest of the list:

Beast Wars: Tripredacus (no way they would do Tripledacus these days)
Beast Wars II: Magnaboss (he was painted better here)
Beast Wars Neo: Magmatron (not confident they could do him properly at Leader class.
Beast Machines: Tankor (he was massive on the show, not even sure Commander class can do him justice)
RID 2001: Rail Racer (seems like trios are the maximum we're willing to do at this class)
Movies: Stratosphere (not to scale most likely)
Animated: Unproduced Powermaster Optimus Prime
Prime: Predaking (really no other choice, Unicron would be a Titan)
GO!: DaiKenzan (simplfied from the oriignal with Kenzan on top, Optimus Exprime in the middle and Gekisoumaru on bottom)
RID 2015: Ultra Bee (This is the only 4 member team with any chance of happening at this class)
Cyberverse: Astrotrain (or maybe Trypticon?)
IDW: Thunderwing (should have been done a long time ago)

Emerje

I very much agree with the idea of merging Ironhide/Santon and Silverbolt/Skywarp's color schemes as they are basically the same with a handful of details being picked out, but Lio Junior and Prowl are too different to ignore imo. That's why I think doing a leader class Ironhide, voyager Silverbolt, and deluxe lion bot (either Prowl or Lio Junior) in the mainline would be best, rather than just bundling the three of them together at Titan or Commander class and making it so that they can't do a Selects repaint of the lion in the colors that weren't used

Razorbeast88 wrote:Seconded on energon Scorponok!!

Wouldn't Scorponok be too big at Commander class, seems leader would be fine for him.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Seconded on energon Scorponok!!

Wouldn't Scorponok be too big at Commander class, seems leader would be fine for him.

Yup. Energon Scorponok just needs to remake the original but with improvements on solidity and articulations. It would be the same size as the original, thus making him fully Leader class.

I would like to see either or both Beast Wars Rampage and Depthcharge as Commanders. The robots would be Kingdom Megatron's height but with the wings for DC and the legs/treads for Rampage they could get bumped up, even with a somewhat straightforward transformation.

And commander class Megabolt Megatron would be just the bee's knees.

Not every bot needs to be a Commander, Leader class exists for a reason. They're not as tall as they used to be, but they're usually still tall enough. They should be special, like Titans, reserved only when they're essential and not just so they're tall.

I know size classes can't be equated across decades, but leader is a better fit for the ultras of yesteryear.

We all have our views. I think those 2 are big enough to get away with commander class, or very chunky leaders. As for Megabolt Megatron, I just want to see it turn into a giant head.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Not every bot needs to be a Commander, Leader class exists for a reason. They're not as tall as they used to be, but they're usually still tall enough. They should be special, like Titans, reserved only when they're essential and not just so they're tall.

I know size classes can't be equated across decades, but leader is a better fit for the ultras of yesteryear.

You know, I feel there's a better pool of characters that could be Commander Class then there is to be titan class

ZeroWolf wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:Not every bot needs to be a Commander, Leader class exists for a reason. They're not as tall as they used to be, but they're usually still tall enough. They should be special, like Titans, reserved only when they're essential and not just so they're tall.

I know size classes can't be equated across decades, but leader is a better fit for the ultras of yesteryear.

You know, I feel there's a better pool of characters that could be Commander Class then there is to be titan class

Titans are pretty rare. There's the city bots, the huge combiners (if relevant) and maybe some big guys like Armada Tidalwave.

But the way things are going, "Leader" is now the old Ultra class, meaning "voyager +" and the current Commander is the TRUE modern "leader class". Way too many characters would need to be Commander to be in scale and to have the required number of parts. A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

That was one of those rare rumors that turned out be an actual rumor.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

We also know we're getting a Titan this year, Cybertron Metroplex. I don't recall the specifics, and I might be wrong, but I recall Hasbro addressed the Titan rumor as false; i.e. not just that we're getting another one, but there's no plan to discontinue them generally.

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I don't think repaints can count.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I don't think repaints can count.

My wallet says it counts.

I don't think Depth Charge, Rampage, and Tigerhawk need to be Commanders, honestly. The only BW show character I would put at Commander would be maaaaybe TM2 Megs, and he's already happening at Leader so it's a moot point. Magnaboss and Tripredacus, on the other hand...

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I don't think repaints can count.

The rumor never specified 2 mainline new mold Commanders, just 2 Commanders.

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And that the deluxes would have still used a combiner system, so you could slap the old limbs onto him or use the new ones.

Actually the leg pieces have the CW comboners on them, so the frame should still be compatible:

Motormaster.jpg

So while you can't put the new limbs on Old Motormaster, you can seemingly put the old limbs on New Motormaster. At least the legs, no idea if the arms are CW compatible

You'd still be able to join the full legs of Legacy Menasor to CW Menasor's torso, no?

william-james88 wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:And that the deluxes would have still used a combiner system, so you could slap the old limbs onto him or use the new ones.

Actually the leg pieces have the CW comboners on them, so the frame should still be compatible:

Motormaster.jpg

So while you can't put the new limbs on Old Motormaster, you can seemingly put the old limbs on New Motormaster. At least the legs, no idea if the arms are CW compatible

You'd still be able to join the full legs of Legacy Menasor to CW Menasor's torso, no?

Yeah I guess that's true, I hadn't thought about that

AcademyofDrX wrote:Not every bot needs to be a Commander, Leader class exists for a reason. They're not as tall as they used to be, but they're usually still tall enough. They should be special, like Titans, reserved only when they're essential and not just so they're tall.

I know size classes can't be equated across decades, but leader is a better fit for the ultras of yesteryear.

I agree so hard here. We'll get our first taste of that notion later this year with Dragon megs

AcademyofDrX wrote:

RotorstormNZ wrote:We seemingly won't get Prime Breakdown thanks to Menasor (which I'm okay with as he looks very, very cool and I;' happy for Stunticon fans)...but is there anything stopping us from getting a G2 Ransack?

We got Earthrise Scorponok and Kingdom (BW) Scorponok, Earthrise/Kingdom Arcee and Legacy (Prime) Arcee, and Kingdom Inferno and a rumored Legacy (Bw) Inferno. I don't see any reason at all that we couldn't get a Legacy Breakdown and a Legacy year two (Prime) Breakdown. It's weird to be speculating about hypothetical toys and exclude some for counterfactual reasons.

That's a very, very good point - you've made me feel better about my chances!

RotorstormNZ wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

RotorstormNZ wrote:We seemingly won't get Prime Breakdown thanks to Menasor (which I'm okay with as he looks very, very cool and I;' happy for Stunticon fans)...but is there anything stopping us from getting a G2 Ransack?

We got Earthrise Scorponok and Kingdom (BW) Scorponok, Earthrise/Kingdom Arcee and Legacy (Prime) Arcee, and Kingdom Inferno and a rumored Legacy (Bw) Inferno. I don't see any reason at all that we couldn't get a Legacy Breakdown and a Legacy year two (Prime) Breakdown. It's weird to be speculating about hypothetical toys and exclude some for counterfactual reasons.

That's a very, very good point - you've made me feel better about my chances!

I very much want a Legacy Prime Breakdown, though I got the Pulse exclusive two-pack as a stand-in if needed. I think Hasbro must know the demand is there, and it's one of the obvious choices from Prime IMHO.

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I don't think repaints can count.

My wallet says it counts.

Your wallet is wrong, too. You said it yourself, maineline, Jetfire was an exclusive, they don't count towards mainline figure counts.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I don't think Depth Charge, Rampage, and Tigerhawk need to be Commanders, honestly. The only BW show character I would put at Commander would be maaaaybe TM2 Megs, and he's already happening at Leader so it's a moot point. Magnaboss and Tripredacus, on the other hand...

I think an argument could be made for Rampage if we wanted him done right. His tank mode was a full on extra transformation while Depth Charge just used a half step between modes and Tigerhawk really only added a helmet. If we wanted him done right they'd have to figure out how to work tank treads in and could even further pad the price up with chrome and a larger size all together.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I don't think repaints can count.

The rumor never specified 2 mainline new mold Commanders, just 2 Commanders.

I only ever heard it as two in the mainline to make up for the absence of a Titan. But even if the rumor doesn't specify mainline or exclusive then the funny thing is that rumor was for 2022 and seeing as how SG Jetfire was delayed to the first week of January it ended up becoming true in the US at least.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:A shame that there is only one Commander a year.

Wasn't there supposed to be 2 starting next year, since the Titan Class will no longer be made? Or is that plan scrapped?

There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I don't think repaints can count.

My wallet says it counts.

Your wallet is wrong, too. You said it yourself, maineline, Jetfire was an exclusive, they don't count towards mainline figure counts.

I didn't "say it myself."

sol magnus wrote:There's only one mainline Commander (up to this point) - Last year there were two. SG Jetfire and Rodimus Prime.

I wasn't clear, which is my fault - I should have said 'there were two (1 mainline, 1 special), but Hasbro never said it had to be in a main line.'