-Kanrabat- wrote:So only the voyagers and cores in Legacy are in open window boxes.
Deluxes have their usual plastic windows.
Leaders, commanders, and titans are entirely covered.
That's... quite random.
-Kanrabat- wrote:So only the voyagers and cores in Legacy are in open window boxes.
Deluxes have their usual plastic windows.
Leaders, commanders, and titans are entirely covered.
That's... quite random.
Sentinel_Primal wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:So only the voyagers and cores in Legacy are in open window boxes.
Deluxes have their usual plastic windows.
Leaders, commanders, and titans are entirely covered.
That's... quite random.
Only the Wal-Mart exclusive deluxes have the plastic windows
william-james88 wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:So only the voyagers and cores in Legacy are in open window boxes.
Deluxes have their usual plastic windows.
Leaders, commanders, and titans are entirely covered.
That's... quite random.
Only the Wal-Mart exclusive deluxes have the plastic windows
Also, unless I am mistaken, arent the box types different? Like an in between Kingdom and Legacy.
william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Just because the new toys are G1-inspired, doesn't mean they can't appeal to today's children. If their parents tell them they had similar figures representing the same characters when they were kids that's just a bonus. A kid will walk down a toy aisle and be drawn to whatever they find fun and visually stimulating. And the Legacy figures are nothing if not colorful, especially the packaging. Even if they know nothing of G1 the new toys can be appealing.
That's right, and Hasbro has always said that. Everytime they do, fans speak out against it as if they run the company. But yeah, you are 100% on the ball. Aaron archer said the reason they chose Scoop was because having an orange character in the wave would work well for colour variation on shelves. John warden said the reason they chose Krok as a mainline figure was because a kid would see a robot that transforms into an crocodile. And just now they said Metroplex was picked because construction-type vehicles are favoured among kids.
Of course, fans buy too and are a big part of sales (supposed 30%, that counts anyone aged over 8 ) so these G1 characters are definitely there to get their sales. But that doesn't mean they are the only ones buying, taht's what people have to realize. Do fans really think it was other older collectors who bought all those Earthrise Arcees?
Also, o.supreme already posted this video, but I'll repost it here since it definitely answers why there being specific G1 characters in this line of transforming robots is irrelevant when it comes to selling to kids.
This is not 100% Hasbro verified fact, it's the thoughts from an industry professional, but it definitely lines up with Hasbro's statements and it's explained in a way that may help those not in the know of robot toys within the toy industry.
In the end, any cool looking transforming robot would sell to kids. ANY. But to get that also very lucrative adult market, they make it characters we'd also like to buy.
Someone asked for evidence. We have it. In terms of marketing strategy, we have the adds for kids as well as the channels and places these toys are. Legacy figures are being sold in the toy aisle, next to other toys aimed at kids. If the main market was collectors, the toys would be sold only in collector shops, like high end statues and mafex figures.
Also, we have this internal slide from Hasbro showing their target market being 5-8 year old kids (it was not meant for you to see).
And lastly, we have my anecdotal evidence of what I find in thrift stores. If only collectors bought Generations figures or SS figures, I should find none of them at thrift shops, but that's not the case. Meaning enough of them are bought by parents and kids for them to go through the second hand toy cycle and end up as random toys found in thrift stores with missing panels or heads or whatnot.
william-james88 wrote:And lastly, we have my anecdotal evidence of what I find in thrift stores. If only collectors bought Generations figures or SS figures, I should find none of them at thrift shops, but that's not the case. Meaning enough of them are bought by parents and kids for them to go through the second hand toy cycle and end up as random toys found in thrift stores with missing panels or heads or whatnot.
DeathReviews wrote:Why... is that PLASTIC I see in those box windows?
Otaku-mus Prime wrote:DeathReviews wrote:Why... is that PLASTIC I see in those box windows?
I noticed that as well. Part of an exclusive deal with Walmart?
Can Hasbro redeco the Netflix Soundwave mold into Soundblaster and sell that?
-Kanrabat- wrote:For too many people, it's a concept that is just impossible to understand.
william-james88 wrote:Still, it does mess with my brain when he talks of Marvel Legends because him being worried of the impact and what it says to parents means that there are parents out there spending $30 on a Spider-man Noire figure. Not saying that isn't the case, at all, I just find it crazy that it is. I mean that's more than I'm willing to pay for the present my kids bring to a friend's birthday.
o.supreme wrote:But in the past several years, I've seen more middle-aged losers like myself browsing the toys aisles like Gollum looking for our precious', than kids with parents.
I mean I do recall happily giving advice on an occasion or two to a hapless parent about what Transformer they should get, but it's been a long time.
Till-all-R1 wrote:The one thing I find difficult to believe is using Kids as a reason for their choice in Metroplex because I don't know very many kids that can afford $200 for one toy, or parents of said kid who feel it's justifiable for just one toy for one kid. Especially of a very complex item that will likely be broken within a week.
So does that mean 1,000's of little kids only get one toy all year long and it's this? Seems a large stretch to me unless I'm living in a new world where parents have lost all concept of rationale.
Yeah there might be a few spoiled kids who get everything just by asking but if that's the case would they even waste time on Metroplex, an item they most likely won't even see in a store or be aware of? I can't believe it generates enough interest from kids to claim that's why they chose a construction vehicle for his alt mode. Dinosaurs sure as those will be seen in stores and be visible to said kids eliciting a "cool I want that" response.
william-james88 wrote:I'll admit, their statement regarding Metroplex is the one I find most incredulous. Like I get how they have to adhere to safety regulations not to prevent a parent from buying it, but I wouldn't have thought it mattered more than that. However, to answer your point about some parents have lost all concept of rationale, that's happened. We now live in a new world where young kids ask for IPads for Christmas and get them.
sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I'll admit, their statement regarding Metroplex is the one I find most incredulous. Like I get how they have to adhere to safety regulations not to prevent a parent from buying it, but I wouldn't have thought it mattered more than that. However, to answer your point about some parents have lost all concept of rationale, that's happened. We now live in a new world where young kids ask for IPads for Christmas and get them.
You're right. They do. But those same kids still don't get 50 + TOY TOYS random days of the week. It's usually a birthday or a good report card from school. The perceived value of an iPad and all that can be done with it exceeds that of 'average plastic toy' by far.
That rationale concept has some elasticity to it.
Anyway, the conversation is fascinating. Carry on.
Sentinel_Primal wrote:sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:I'll admit, their statement regarding Metroplex is the one I find most incredulous. Like I get how they have to adhere to safety regulations not to prevent a parent from buying it, but I wouldn't have thought it mattered more than that. However, to answer your point about some parents have lost all concept of rationale, that's happened. We now live in a new world where young kids ask for IPads for Christmas and get them.
You're right. They do. But those same kids still don't get 50 + TOY TOYS random days of the week. It's usually a birthday or a good report card from school. The perceived value of an iPad and all that can be done with it exceeds that of 'average plastic toy' by far.
That rationale concept has some elasticity to it.
Anyway, the conversation is fascinating. Carry on.
Exactly this. Metroplex is scheduled to release around November, perfectly timed for the Christmas season where parents would be looking for a big ticket item for their kids, especially the parents who've seen what happens to kids that spend all their time on ipads and want to try and get their kids something fun, big, and most importantly, actually something to stimulate them in a healthy way, not keep them out of your way for a few hours until the battery dies
o.supreme wrote:I mean I do recall happily giving advice on an occasion or two to a hapless parent about what Transformer they should get, but it's been a long time. Again, I 100% believe the toys are intended for kids, and they are the future if a line is going to survive. Maybe just more parents are buying online, or they are buying without the kids present because its easier? I don't know... I guess it's just a different time. Kids are still the target audience, even if they are a phantom one, but it is nice, that Hasbro can occasionally design standard toys, that happen to appeal to adults as well, and have reveal videos for us.
william-james88 wrote:
I do find it a bit disgusting that some fans are blaming Hasbro's mention of kids as the reason we are getting Cybertron Metroplex over a G1 Metroplex (or over another Titan). UT fans finally have their moment in the sun and it's being trivialized by G1 fans. Sure kids are a mentioned factor, but it's still a big beautiful homage to Cybertron Metroplex that was definitely made with fans in mind. And, FYI, ALL titans are done with kids still in mind, regardless who the target market for that specific toy is. Or else there would not have been mention of whether or not a drop test was done for Fort Max.
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