The Energon Pub

Rodimus Prime wrote:With Nemesis, will there be a smaller component like Mainframe with the Ark?

Instead of a bot they seem to have opted for making the various wings removable and able to turn into weapons. There was a theory that she's somehow compatible with Tarn, we'll have to wait and see on that.

ZuttoAragi wrote:Any indication if there's going to be a bridge on the Nemesis? I don't necessarily care if the bridge can come out like Mainframe, but I'd prefer it to be there.

They didn't show one during the live stream, instead she appears to have jet hangers with jet "slugs" of the Coneheads and a Siege Tetra Jet.

Should also be pointed out that the Nemesis is AIR Lock compatible. I know there's a few people buying figures specifically for that to make their big city sets.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Should also be pointed out that the Nemesis is AIR Lock compatible. I know there's a few people buying figures specifically for that to make their big city sets.

Emerje

While I have clearly always been for this, in my recent big city making I found that the positioning on many of them was quite limiting. So I basically use Hot House and Airwave to make these long bridges that may or may not connect directly but give the appearance to. Just to say that airlock compatibility shouldn't be a dealbreaker for making a nice big city set (as we can see from the pic below).

Emerje wrote:

ZuttoAragi wrote:Any indication if there's going to be a bridge on the Nemesis? I don't necessarily care if the bridge can come out like Mainframe, but I'd prefer it to be there.

They didn't show one during the live stream, instead she appears to have jet hangers with jet "slugs" of the Coneheads and a Siege Tetra Jet.

Should also be pointed out that the Nemesis is AIR Lock compatible. I know there's a few people buying figures specifically for that to make their big city sets.

Emerje

Well that's a shame. I was hoping I could have a bridge with some of the robot mode slug figures in it. That was the main thing that made me consider getting it.

TK415 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Seems all but inevitable now that Tidal Wave will be a CC for 2024, especially since they teased future compatibility for Armada Megatron.

Would commander class be too big to be compatible? I wonder if it would need to be leader size?

I guess you need one tidal wave as a titan. And then a smaller version to be compatible.

If they Commander class Tidalwave I'll be in tears.

Tidalwave needs to be the Titan after Nemesis, for any people of culture >>> Transformers Armada Playstation 2.

That Tidalwave was awesome. And if there are people who still want a Megatron combining mode, just have him sit in the chest of a Titan like a Breast(Boob) Master or some sort.

I'd much rather have a freaking huge aircraft carrier than things like Titan Cybertron Metroplex.

Think of all the minicon / Micro Master Jets we have, all lined up on a table sized Transformer (tiny table)

noctorro wrote:

TK415 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Seems all but inevitable now that Tidal Wave will be a CC for 2024, especially since they teased future compatibility for Armada Megatron.

Would commander class be too big to be compatible? I wonder if it would need to be leader size?

I guess you need one tidal wave as a titan. And then a smaller version to be compatible.

If they Commander class Tidalwave I'll be in tears.

Tidalwave needs to be the Titan after Nemesis, for any people of culture >>> Transformers Armada Playstation 2.

That Tidalwave was awesome. And if there are people who still want a Megatron combining mode, just have him sit in the chest of a Titan like a Breast(Boob) Master or some sort.

I'd much rather have a freaking huge aircraft carrier than things like Titan Cybertron Metroplex.

Think of all the minicon / Micro Master Jets we have, all lined up on a table sized Transformer (tiny table)

A titan could just have smaller detachable parts that combine with Megatron, and that solves it. There's no need to downscale Tidalwave or even worse, have two different Tidal Wave molds, which just isn't happening. However, I think they'll probably do him as a commander, but we'll see.

A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

It doesn't have to work like Energon Omega Supreme, it could have smaller parts that detach from the titan, sort of how you still have trailer leftover from Commander Motormaster when you combine him into Menasor. So there'd be smaller parts that detach, which combine with Megatron, and presumably the remainder could still be a sort of still functional toy. He doesn't NEED to be a Titan Class though, in my opinion, as long as he's bigger than leader class it's fine, so a Commander would cut it too. But Titan would be ideal.

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

It doesn't have to work like Energon Omega Supreme, it could have smaller parts that detach from the titan, sort of how you still have trailer leftover from Commander Motormaster when you combine him into Menasor. So there'd be smaller parts that detach, which combine with Megatron, and presumably the remainder could still be a sort of still functional toy. He doesn't NEED to be a Titan Class though, in my opinion, as long as he's bigger than leader class it's fine, so a Commander would cut it too. But Titan would be ideal.

That still isn't accurate to the anime. And if Legacy Menasor has proven anything, it's that Legacy's MO is near pathological obsession with animation accuracy.

ZuttoAragi wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

It doesn't have to work like Energon Omega Supreme, it could have smaller parts that detach from the titan, sort of how you still have trailer leftover from Commander Motormaster when you combine him into Menasor. So there'd be smaller parts that detach, which combine with Megatron, and presumably the remainder could still be a sort of still functional toy. He doesn't NEED to be a Titan Class though, in my opinion, as long as he's bigger than leader class it's fine, so a Commander would cut it too. But Titan would be ideal.

That still isn't accurate to the anime. And if Legacy Menasor has proven anything, it's that Legacy's MO is near pathological obsession with animation accuracy.

Not really, Menasor still transforms from just the cab, and the whole trailer isn't used in all modes. There are mechanical necessities that come from real life limitations, and if they decided on a bigger Tidal Wave, those limitations will arise and will likely be solved in a similar manner to Menasor.

They might not decide on a larger Tidal Wave though, but I just don't see him as a Leader, specially given we already know that next year's leaders are probably Tigerhawk and G1 Sandstorm, yet they've already hinted at him, with implies a relatively "soon" release date. My personal speculation is Tidal Wave will be next year's Commander for Legacy.

ZuttoAragi wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

It doesn't have to work like Energon Omega Supreme, it could have smaller parts that detach from the titan, sort of how you still have trailer leftover from Commander Motormaster when you combine him into Menasor. So there'd be smaller parts that detach, which combine with Megatron, and presumably the remainder could still be a sort of still functional toy. He doesn't NEED to be a Titan Class though, in my opinion, as long as he's bigger than leader class it's fine, so a Commander would cut it too. But Titan would be ideal.

That still isn't accurate to the anime. And if Legacy Menasor has proven anything, it's that Legacy's MO is near pathological obsession with animation accuracy.

The Prime Universe and Animated universe figures would strongly disagree.

First-Aid wrote:

ZuttoAragi wrote:

Rtron wrote:

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

It doesn't have to work like Energon Omega Supreme, it could have smaller parts that detach from the titan, sort of how you still have trailer leftover from Commander Motormaster when you combine him into Menasor. So there'd be smaller parts that detach, which combine with Megatron, and presumably the remainder could still be a sort of still functional toy. He doesn't NEED to be a Titan Class though, in my opinion, as long as he's bigger than leader class it's fine, so a Commander would cut it too. But Titan would be ideal.

That still isn't accurate to the anime. And if Legacy Menasor has proven anything, it's that Legacy's MO is near pathological obsession with animation accuracy.

The Prime Universe and Animated universe figures would strongly disagree.

I swear I have no idea why they won't just leave those aesthetics as they were. I suspect it's because they're not a bunch of cubes, but at the same time, they haven't gathered millions of dollars in revenue like the movies, so they feel justified in saying "people won't like it because they're not cubes".

Rtron wrote:I swear I have no idea why they won't just leave those aesthetics as they were. I suspect it's because they're not a bunch of cubes, but at the same time, they haven't gathered millions of dollars in revenue like the movies, so they feel justified in saying "people won't like it because they're not cubes".

It's because the Prime and Animated aesthetics aren't GEEWUN enough for this design team, who want all the toys in Legacy to have a unified GEEWUN aesthetic. And yet, despite they're saying that, they let all the Beast Wars characters keep their non-G1 aesthetic despite those guys being just as (if not more) rounded and curvy as the Prime and Animated characters. It's a complete hypocrisy.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rtron wrote:I swear I have no idea why they won't just leave those aesthetics as they were. I suspect it's because they're not a bunch of cubes, but at the same time, they haven't gathered millions of dollars in revenue like the movies, so they feel justified in saying "people won't like it because they're not cubes".

It's because the Prime and Animated aesthetics aren't GEEWUN enough for this design team, who want all the toys in Legacy to have a unified GEEWUN aesthetic. And yet, despite they're saying that, they let all the Beast Wars characters keep their non-G1 aesthetic despite those guys being just as (if not more) rounded and curvy as the Prime and Animated characters. It's a complete hypocrisy.

Totally. I suspect the deal with Beast Wars is just that it's older, so maybe there's team members who were fans as the show was new, so they let those be. Also, they turn into animals, so geewunifying might be more trouble than it's worth, as animal shapes lend themselves better to curved parts. That's assuming it's a decision that comes from the design team: it might as well just be an order from corporate, who might consider for some reason that Animated and Prime era fans are not numerous enough or old enough to be in the collectionist sphere, and thus have decided that it's a bad idea to cater the aesthetics to them.

I think it'd be interesting to see Beast Wars guys g1-ified. But like make Beast Wars guys styled like Insecticons, Predacons, Dinobots, etc.

On that note, I'd also really like to see G1 guys styled like Beast Wars guys. I always thought it'd be cool to see more realistic animal versions of Predacons and Seacons with hints of their G1 robot modes.

Seibertron wrote:I think it'd be interesting to see Beast Wars guys g1-ified. But like make Beast Wars guys styled like Insecticons, Predacons, Dinobots, etc.

On that note, I'd also really like to see G1 guys styled like Beast Wars guys. I always thought it'd be cool to see more realistic animal versions of Predacons and Seacons with hints of their G1 robot modes.

So the focus would be on the alt-mode rather than the bot modes. That's a lot like what Dream Star is doing with their faux-Aerialbot team. Rather than the planes colored as an afterthought to the bots, the bots are colored as an afterthought to the plane modes which are a very slick gunmetal grey.

First-Aid wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I think it'd be interesting to see Beast Wars guys g1-ified. But like make Beast Wars guys styled like Insecticons, Predacons, Dinobots, etc.

On that note, I'd also really like to see G1 guys styled like Beast Wars guys. I always thought it'd be cool to see more realistic animal versions of Predacons and Seacons with hints of their G1 robot modes.

So the focus would be on the alt-mode rather than the bot modes. That's a lot like what Dream Star is doing with their faux-Aerialbot team. Rather than the planes colored as an afterthought to the bots, the bots are colored as an afterthought to the plane modes which are a very slick gunmetal grey.

You just have to keep chasing that alt-mode centric dream line of yours, don't you?

(so do I)

Wasn't a third party doing that alt mode swap idea? I think I saw them do a helicopter Waspinator recently, and there was also a bird Starscream.

Rtron wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Seibertron wrote:I think it'd be interesting to see Beast Wars guys g1-ified. But like make Beast Wars guys styled like Insecticons, Predacons, Dinobots, etc.

On that note, I'd also really like to see G1 guys styled like Beast Wars guys. I always thought it'd be cool to see more realistic animal versions of Predacons and Seacons with hints of their G1 robot modes.

So the focus would be on the alt-mode rather than the bot modes. That's a lot like what Dream Star is doing with their faux-Aerialbot team. Rather than the planes colored as an afterthought to the bots, the bots are colored as an afterthought to the plane modes which are a very slick gunmetal grey.

You just have to keep chasing that alt-mode centric dream line of yours, don't you?

(so do I)

Wasn't a third party doing that alt mode swap idea? I think I saw them do a helicopter Waspinator recently, and there was also a bird Starscream.

Colors are still the character's colors. I'd like to see the character colors as highlights only. but you are right...I saw that Waspy copter and am sorely tempted but the colors...

o.supreme wrote:A Titan sized Tidal Wave that combines with Leader Armada Megatron in a similar way that Energon Optimus Combines with Energon Omega Supreme is not accurate to the animated series, so it likely won't happen.

As passionate as a couple of fans are about that PS2 game, you have to understand you are a vocal minority, and Hasbro seems to go with what they feel is most popular.

I completely understand though. It makes zero sense to me that we are getting a core class Dinoking, when in animation, he was as big as all other combiners. The only counter argument to this is: "original toy was small" which is exactly what was wrong about it...So yeah it's frustrating at times.

That is very true, if they do Tidalwave my money's on they go for a Commander Class.
Which will be okay for me, him as a Titan would just look so imposing and huge aircraft carrier is just sick.

Then they can do an SDCC GI Joe USS Flag / Transformers Titan Tidalwave crossover which is priced like Haslab Unicron. ... and probably still sell out

I'm already overly happy and have 0 demands for Hasbro since Combiner Wars/Titans Return, for me as a 38 Dzjeewunner mostly they finished the game. Everything cool they make now is just bonus. They passed the exam.

Offtopic, I was hyperventilating when I saw War for Cybertron (the real War for Cybertron) Barricade, I played as that dude in Escalation for months. Bring back the servers Activision

Core Grimlock got here from BBTS. I know a lot of people are hating the designs/limitations of these guys for the sack of a combined mode, but for me these little guys are so fun to mess with. The lack of elbows is a bit frustrating, but I'm having such a blast messing with them regardless, plus I grew up with Lego and Bakugan, two things that don't really use articulation. Yeah, there are better versions (including SS86), but having a desk combiner that isn't the size of a monitor, plus the individual bot modes is awesome to me. I can't wait to get the rest of them and the Dinoking repaint (and I'm kinda hoping maybe Hasbro tosses us a bone and also does SG colors? )

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Core Grimlock got here from BBTS. I know a lot of people are hating the designs/limitations of these guys for the sack of a combined mode, but for me these little guys are so fun to mess with. The lack of elbows is a bit frustrating, but I'm having such a blast messing with them regardless, plus I grew up with Lego and Bakugan, two things that don't really use articulation. Yeah, there are better versions (including SS86), but having a desk combiner that isn't the size of a monitor, plus the individual bot modes is awesome to me. I can't wait to get the rest of them and the Dinoking repaint (and I'm kinda hoping maybe Hasbro tosses us a bone and also does SG colors? )

And Monstructor!

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Core Grimlock got here from BBTS. I know a lot of people are hating the designs/limitations of these guys for the sack of a combined mode, but for me these little guys are so fun to mess with. The lack of elbows is a bit frustrating, but I'm having such a blast messing with them regardless, plus I grew up with Lego and Bakugan, two things that don't really use articulation. Yeah, there are better versions (including SS86), but having a desk combiner that isn't the size of a monitor, plus the individual bot modes is awesome to me. I can't wait to get the rest of them and the Dinoking repaint (and I'm kinda hoping maybe Hasbro tosses us a bone and also does SG colors? )

crud! I never thought about using him for a desk combiner! That's a great idea! He shall sit in my office and I shall call him...


...Mini-me (before coffee)!



The other providers I work with already wonder about my sanity. This will cement it!

If you have Shrapnel check your purple guns. They're numbered 1-4; 1&2, 3&4, 1&3, and 2&4 are matched pairs and ok. Any other combo means you have two of the same foot gun.

I have an oddly specific request. For some reason all the legacy reveals from Tuesday have functioning Amazon pre-order pages except Core Scar that I can find. Anyone have a functioning link by chance?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:If you have Shrapnel check your purple guns. They're numbered 1-4; 1&2, 3&4, 1&3, and 2&4 are matched pairs and ok. Any other combo means you have two of the same foot gun.

What's the difference though

AcademyofDrX wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:If you have Shrapnel check your purple guns. They're numbered 1-4; 1&2, 3&4, 1&3, and 2&4 are matched pairs and ok. Any other combo means you have two of the same foot gun.

What's the difference though

There are slight differences between each when attached to shrapnel. I'll be honest, I have yet to notice the difference. Down the line though having a matched set might mean the difference between the figure reselling for a lot or little.