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DISCHARGE wrote:5 dollar foot long
All she's missing is a Subway logo behind her?
that's because in beast wars they traveled to earths past during the time the decepicons and autobots that are on the crashed ship called the ark was still in stasis lock and they actually came across the ship in on episode and to save optimus prime from being destroyed by megatron 2 optimus primal merged his spark with the matrix, i could go on but you get the ideaSabrblade wrote:What more proof do you want than Hasbro openly declaring them to be in the same continuity? One has one look, another has another look, yet both are in the same continuity. I don't believe anything an exec from a toy company says, them saying its the same universe is like them peeing on your back and saying its raining, i'm sorry but they are different universes, hasbro must think we will believe anything they throw at usorangeitis wrote:That makes no sense. The WFC designs are collectively a totally different aesthetic than the collective Prime designs.Sabrblade wrote:Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.
Yes, I know they're millions of years apart, but we don't have evidence to show that Transformers in those two universes work that way. It's best not to jump to such conclusions. Until we have confirmed proof that they can look however they want to, or that there has been an in-continuity shift in their species design(not to mention every single TF giving up all those stylish noses), there's no need to claim that they can.
The same applies to G1 and Beast Wars/Machines. both are completely different in aesthetics (especially G1 and Beast Machines), yet no one questions their being connected.
Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.Ultra Markus wrote:that's because in beast wars they traveled to earths past during the time the decepicons and autobots that are on the crashed ship called the ark was still in stasis lock and they actually came across the ship in on episode and to save optimus prime from being destroyed by megatron 2 optimus primal merged his spark with the matrix, i could go on but you get the idea
maybe you should go and watch the show for a better idea
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.
Exactly. Just because the two have different art styles doesn't mean they can't fit together. We have no idea what kind of changes could have occurred over the span of eons existing between the two.MINDVVIPE wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.
They could have also evolved over time from landing on other planets and taking new alt mode forms, and then theres bodily upgrades, and so on.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
MINDVVIPE wrote:
And lookey here, all of a sudden everyone loves Dead-End. I remember everyone hating on Dead-end when we first got those convention shots or whatever, haha. I always liked the colours and the mould. Also, You guys argueing about the... logic in the continuity: It would make more sense to argue Wheeljacks appearance in Prime and what it would have been if it were in WFC of FOC, and how that form of WJ is now the same form of Dead-End. Other than that, its just an easy repaint, so the body style and its legitimate connections with lore is pretty much out the window..
It doesn't matter who it is. And if he's in charge of continuity and declares two contradicting fictions to be in the same universe, he's in the wrong, not the universes.Sabrblade wrote:Um, Aaron Archer is Vice President of Intellectual Property Development at Hasbro. He's the man responsible for keeping all the continuities stable and in order, and the one (along with Rik Alvarez) who's completely developed the entire history of the Aligned continuity, from it's ancient past of WFC and the novels, to its present day of TF: Prime, and well beyond into whatever its future may be. He's well above being "one Hasbro representative".
That's all well and good, but it don't have anything to do with aesthetic relationships between characters of the different mediums. Even considering all of your arguments, there still is not enough evidence to justify assuming that WFC designs=ancient past and Prime designs=present day in both universes.Sabrblade wrote:Not everything between the two looks complete different.
Um, he created the Aligned continuity's history and timeline first, and then the two parties behind the games and show created their works based on what he and Alvarez created. The games and show are adaptations of his work, not vice-versa.orangeitis wrote:It doesn't matter who it is. And if he's in charge of continuity and declares two contradicting fictions to be in the same universe, he's in the wrong, not the universes.
One authority can not just shoehorn their own vision into the canon if the canon contradicts them, even if they wrote it themselves. It's just not how fiction works. Unless for instance you think the pope can decide biblical canon... if so, we're just on two different pages here.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I was under the impression that WFC was made with being in a Primax cluster universe in mind. Can you cite the source that states otherwise?Sabrblade wrote:Um, he created the Aligned continuity's history and timeline first, and then the two parties behind the games and show created their works based on what he and Alvarez created. The games and show are adaptations of his work, not vice-versa.
There's a lot that says they contradict each other. Just to name a couple, dark energon in WFC is a manufacturable product that was created from normal energon, which dark energon in Prime is the blood of Unicron. And Prime Megatron isn't infused with dark energon as he is in Prime. There are many many other errors between Exodus, WFC/FoC, and Prime if one considers them in the same universe. Trying to retcon in answers to them all would simply be too irrational.Sabrblade wrote:Plus, you keep saying that there two contradict each other, yet there's little to say that they do. As the Beast Era has proven, the argument of "different art styles = incompatibility" is invalid. There has yet to be anything that cannot be rationally explained between the two.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Noideaforaname wrote:Dead End is Halloween incarnate.
Ravage XK wrote:The more I look at Arachnid the more of a pass she is. Just looks like you clip her legs together plug her arms by her side and lay her on her face to transform.
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