Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Because High Moon Studios is no more.DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!
Did I miss something?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Because High Moon Studios is no more.DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!
Did I miss something?
DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.
dreadwing95 wrote:DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.
this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all
It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.DoctorOblivian wrote:dreadwing95 wrote:DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.
this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all
actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.DoctorOblivian wrote:dreadwing95 wrote:DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.
this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all
actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.
And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.
Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.
How do you mean?DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.
Nope. By the time Animated was going, Alpha Trion had a Shattered Glass counterpart made, negating any Multiversal Alpha Trion from being a 13er.DoctorOblivian wrote:Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:How do you mean?DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.
I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.
Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.
For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.
So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.
No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
kaijuguy19 wrote:If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.
DoctorOblivian wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.
Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.
For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.
So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.
All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.
We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.
Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.
#Sideways# wrote:
Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.
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