Moonshot wrote:If I remember correctly, the reason Optimus was made blue, was because they said that red didnt "film well", or didnt look right on a big screen or some lame excuse. But it seems red works fine for any other bot they decide should be red; new Drift, Dino and Hot Rod to name a few.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:If a certain fan is someone who was around then, like some of us geezers on these boards, then that fan definitely knows of the comics. So for Sly to say that those who ask for Hot Rod don't even know the comics exist is just ignorant.
Saying people dont know about the comics was definitely a bit much, using hyperbole makes it hard to be taken seriously so I can get your reaction.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I knew about the movie, and thus about Hot Rod and how he replaced Optimus, but I didnt know about the comics storylines and that Grimlock became leader of the Autobots. I only knew of that when I researched why the MP came with a crown. I did know that the comics existed though. But oddly enough, I knew of the comics because the the cover artist for issue one is one of my favourite artists, Bill Seinkewizc (and because the final issues are quite expensive). I am from the beast wars generation though so that my facotr into my lack of knowledge or awareness in certain things.
JazZeke wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:If a certain fan is someone who was around then, like some of us geezers on these boards, then that fan definitely knows of the comics. So for Sly to say that those who ask for Hot Rod don't even know the comics exist is just ignorant.
Saying people dont know about the comics was definitely a bit much, using hyperbole makes it hard to be taken seriously so I can get your reaction.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I knew about the movie, and thus about Hot Rod and how he replaced Optimus, but I didnt know about the comics storylines and that Grimlock became leader of the Autobots. I only knew of that when I researched why the MP came with a crown. I did know that the comics existed though. But oddly enough, I knew of the comics because the the cover artist for issue one is one of my favourite artists, Bill Seinkewizc (and because the final issues are quite expensive). I am from the beast wars generation though so that my facotr into my lack of knowledge or awareness in certain things.
I'm from the Beast Wars Generation too, born in '87, and when I found out comics existed as a teenager I started scouring swapmeets for them. The very first issue I found and read was the one where Grimlock fought Trypticon and earned himself leadership of the Autobots. (The second issue, which I got with that one, was the one where Optimus Prime came back as a Powermaster.)
And in this day and age of TFWiki, there really is no excuse for not being at least familiar with the existence all the major continuities.
Kurona wrote:JazZeke wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:If a certain fan is someone who was around then, like some of us geezers on these boards, then that fan definitely knows of the comics. So for Sly to say that those who ask for Hot Rod don't even know the comics exist is just ignorant.
Saying people dont know about the comics was definitely a bit much, using hyperbole makes it hard to be taken seriously so I can get your reaction.
I can only speak for myself when I say that I knew about the movie, and thus about Hot Rod and how he replaced Optimus, but I didnt know about the comics storylines and that Grimlock became leader of the Autobots. I only knew of that when I researched why the MP came with a crown. I did know that the comics existed though. But oddly enough, I knew of the comics because the the cover artist for issue one is one of my favourite artists, Bill Seinkewizc (and because the final issues are quite expensive). I am from the beast wars generation though so that my facotr into my lack of knowledge or awareness in certain things.
I'm from the Beast Wars Generation too, born in '87, and when I found out comics existed as a teenager I started scouring swapmeets for them. The very first issue I found and read was the one where Grimlock fought Trypticon and earned himself leadership of the Autobots. (The second issue, which I got with that one, was the one where Optimus Prime came back as a Powermaster.)
And in this day and age of TFWiki, there really is no excuse for not being at least familiar with the existence all the major continuities.
Unless, of course, you're not a die-hard fan. Which probably at least 90% of the movie-goers aren't.
Rodimus Prime wrote:As you pointed out, Hot Rod was in the '86 movie, which was very popular with those who were kids at the time. He's a G1 character, even more so than most of the others, as after G1 the name "Hot Rod" was seldom if ever used. Hasbro preferred "Rodimus." In every continuity since, he was "Rodimus." So if a fan wants "Hot Rod" in Bayverse, then they must at least have average knowledge of G1, which means they must know about the comics as well as the cartoon. If a certain fan is someone who was around then, like some of us geezers on these boards, then that fan definitely knows of the comics. So for Sly to say that those who ask for Hot Rod don't even know the comics exist is just ignorant.william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:the general audience who were asking for Hot Rod to be in the movie don't care about the Marvel Comics. They probably don't even know they exist.
That is the single most asinine comment in this entire thread. And that's hard to do, considering some of the arguments that go on in here. But thank you for reminding me where your head actually is when it comes to Bayverse. I started to think you may be able to have a reasonable conversation with other people. My bad.
Did I miss something, I dont see what doesnt make sense about that comment. The 80s TF movie was super popular amongst kids (its the reason many of us are here on the boards, I am sure) while the Marvel TF comics were not read as much. They were also primarily in the UK right? And the series proved unpopular by the end that the runs were very limited to the point where the most expensive Marvel TF issues are the last ones and not he earliest ones.
So yeah, I am pretty sure that many hot rod fans out there who were hoping to see him in the movies had not read the Marvel UK comics.
Moonshot wrote:If I remember correctly, the reason Optimus was made blue, was because they said that red didnt "film well", or didnt look right on a big screen or some lame excuse. But it seems red works fine for any other bot they decide should be red; new Drift, Dino and Hot Rod to name a few.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Moonshot wrote:If I remember correctly, the reason Optimus was made blue, was because they said that red didnt "film well", or didnt look right on a big screen or some lame excuse. But it seems red works fine for any other bot they decide should be red; new Drift, Dino and Hot Rod to name a few.
The actual "excuse" (which was and still is true) is that red is hard to capture on film (not digital, film) without looking orange. If you try to film something that's red using a film camera, it will tend to look orange unless you're very careful about lighting conditions and what not. I assume that, from DotM onwards, they've used digital cameras as opposed to film to combat that problem.
Bradimus wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Moonshot wrote:If I remember correctly, the reason Optimus was made blue, was because they said that red didnt "film well", or didnt look right on a big screen or some lame excuse. But it seems red works fine for any other bot they decide should be red; new Drift, Dino and Hot Rod to name a few.
The actual "excuse" (which was and still is true) is that red is hard to capture on film (not digital, film) without looking orange. If you try to film something that's red using a film camera, it will tend to look orange unless you're very careful about lighting conditions and what not. I assume that, from DotM onwards, they've used digital cameras as opposed to film to combat that problem.
I'm fairly certain Bay is filming in digital 3D.
Kurona wrote:So I guess in terms of changes, there's... absolutely nothing.
Ah well, it was a pretty decent design anyway even if I don't like the bayformer aesthetic. If ain't broke...
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Kurona wrote:So I guess in terms of changes, there's... absolutely nothing.
Ah well, it was a pretty decent design anyway even if I don't like the bayformer aesthetic. If ain't broke...
Eh, there's a change or two. Aside from likely extremely subtle changes in surface detail, he seems to have lights and stuff inside his trenchcoart, and he now has a moustache that I don't really remember him having, or at least the appearance of one via clever shading (along with his face being made a little more visually appealing on the whole).
Kurona wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Kurona wrote:So I guess in terms of changes, there's... absolutely nothing.
Ah well, it was a pretty decent design anyway even if I don't like the bayformer aesthetic. If ain't broke...
Eh, there's a change or two. Aside from likely extremely subtle changes in surface detail, he seems to have lights and stuff inside his trenchcoart, and he now has a moustache that I don't really remember him having, or at least the appearance of one via clever shading (along with his face being made a little more visually appealing on the whole).
I tend to ignore the faces, they keep me up at night
That makes sense. But yeah, as you said; very subtle - not really noticeable. Wonder if he has a different alt mode.
Blozor wrote:I like that they've found a way to give the robots something that resembles actual faces now, 4 or especially 5 movies in. This is what their faces should have looked like from the get-go, instead of the insectoid monstrosities we started out with.
Kurona wrote:
That makes sense. But yeah, as you said; very subtle - not really noticeable. Wonder if he has a different alt mode.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:
Eh, there's a change or two. Aside from likely extremely subtle changes in surface detail, he seems to have lights and stuff inside his trenchcoart, and he now has a moustache that I don't really remember him having, or at least the appearance of one via clever shading (along with his face being made a little more visually appealing on the whole).
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Oh, look. It's Neo. I have no problem with the character, it's neither here nor there. Sqweeks, however, will be the biggest waste of time and CG in the film. The time and space devoted to that monstrosity could be used to introduce or develop actual characters. What a shame.
Va'al wrote:Deadput wrote:Actually I don't know my mother's name is Valerie so is Va'al actually my mother?
Yes. Now go to your room and don't play with yourself.
Deadput wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Oh, look. It's Neo. I have no problem with the character, it's neither here nor there. Sqweeks, however, will be the biggest waste of time and CG in the film. The time and space devoted to that monstrosity could be used to introduce or develop actual characters. What a shame.
Squeeks is an actual character too just because you don't like him doesn't mean he is any less of a character then say Bee or Ratchet.
And this is why new things like Alpha Bravo because some adults who were kids 30-20 years ago want exactly the same thing as how they felt as a kid.
When I was a kid and probably same with all of us we did not watch Transformers as kids because we wanted amazing stories or characters we wanted to watch robots shoot,fight and Transform and don't lie kids don't really care for those things until they start to become teenagers.
Squeeks is something kids like and Bumblebee can't be the kids idol forever they need other characters too like Smokescreen from Prime and Sideswipe from the new RID.
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