The Energon Pub

[RAR]

One of the things that makes me chuckle about Transformers Movies is - we see something odd in a trailer and we (and Youtubers like Hybrid network etc) make up all these plans of why Bumblebee can reconstitute or how Galvatron became Megatron and got his spark - or how Barricade rescued the Original Megatron corpse and fixed it with a shard - so the other sparkless Galvatron is still walking around.

People make up stories like Bumblebee's hammer is the forge of Solas Prime and it enables him to gain the power of re/creation, or Cade did it.

But the movie actually doesn't explain it at all does it ?

These Movies are exasperating as soon as you start pointing the plot holes out - you can keep on going forever - sure some of the visual inconsistencies actually end up getting explained - but often not on screen (example being why the Autobots looked scruffy in robot mode and perfect in vehicle mode has an legit explanation to do with them taking on the perfect look of the vehicle they scan - or in the case of 1974 bee the imperfect look and the Transformation process resets that each time - where as it doesn't do the same to their robot mode).

I know that is a lot of money but man did this thing bomb especially compared to the others and just in general. Which is sad because it is my favourite of the live action Transformers movies.

Perhaps you could explain it to the rest of us.

[noctorro]

Thank you RAR

[Sabrblade]

If we have to make up our own explanations for how things are supposed to work in these movies, then does it not stand to reason that that means things as they are already don't work in these movies from the get-go?

[william-james88]

If we have to make up our own explanations for how things are supposed to work in these movies, then does it not stand to reason that that means thing as they are already don't work in these movies from the get-go?

Yes, its pitiful. I just sem them as what they are, a hot mess. I usually find something enjoyable in the films, but this time there was just nothing there. I was certain it wouldnt answer any questions though, knowing these films.

[o.supreme]

Look, I can tie everything together like this.

....That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

thank goodness for search.....I'm sure you put a lot of thought into it, but when the word Galvatron is not in your post, I know I don't have to read it...thanks for playing though...

[EunuchRon]

Look, I can tie everything together like this.

....That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

thank goodness for search.....I'm sure you put a lot of thought into it, but when the word Galvatron is not in your post, I know I don't have to read it...thanks for playing though...

Other people already wrote stuff about Galvatron, but if you want Galvatron? He was always Megatron. Brains said that in AoE. How did he become the new Jet megatron again? He went back to Cybertron, met Quintessa who gave him his new form, new spark, and that red stripe on his head - you know, the same one she put on Optimus? That's why he transforms like normal again too. I thought everyone was smart enough to figure that out.
Never underestimate the hatred of the Bayverse I guess...

[Sabrblade]

Look, I can tie everything together like this.

....That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

thank goodness for search.....I'm sure you put a lot of thought into it, but when the word Galvatron is not in your post, I know I don't have to read it...thanks for playing though...

Other people already wrote stuff about Galvatron, but if you want Galvatron? He was always Megatron. Brains said that in AoE. How did he become the new Jet megatron again? He went back to Cybertron, met Quintessa who gave him his new form, new spark, and that red stripe on his head - you know, the same one she put on Optimus? That's why he transforms like normal again too. I thought everyone was smart enough to figure that out.
Never underestimate the hatred of the Bayverse I guess...

How did he get to Cybertron?

[william-james88]

Look, I can tie everything together like this.

....That's how I tie everything up. This make any sense?

thank goodness for search.....I'm sure you put a lot of thought into it, but when the word Galvatron is not in your post, I know I don't have to read it...thanks for playing though...

Other people already wrote stuff about Galvatron, but if you want Galvatron? He was always Megatron. Brains said that in AoE. How did he become the new Jet megatron again? He went back to Cybertron, met Quintessa who gave him his new form, new spark, and that red stripe on his head - you know, the same one she put on Optimus? That's why he transforms like normal again too. I thought everyone was smart enough to figure that out.
Never underestimate the hatred of the Bayverse I guess...

Thats not how it happened. We all know how:

A screenwriter wrote him as Megatron which transforms into a jet and a cg model designer gave him a red mark on his face.

Thats it. Everything else is untrue.

[o.supreme]

I thought everyone was smart enough to figure that out.
Never underestimate the hatred of the Bayverse I guess...

New proverb...he who states Galvatron went back to Cybertron without a flight mode should not question the intelligence of others...

[o.supreme]

How did he get to Cybertron?

His Transformium floated back

[Kurona]

I've heard the 'quintessa gave Megatron his new body' thing a ton of times, but where does that come from? Was it on the back of a toy box or something?

[william-james88]

I've heard the 'quintessa gave Megatron his new body' thing a ton of times, but where does that come from? Was it on the back of a toy box or something?

Its from nowhere. It is only assumed because Megatron has a red mark on his face like Prime does.

But we all know who gave Megatron the red mark, its this guy:

[EunuchRon]

So... I guess Megatron, being the leader of the Decepticons, can't call his buddies up and hitch a ride back home, but whatever. I give up. Everyone just wants to hate on the movies and harsh my mellow over it. Sheesh. I'm a G1 fan and I could point out so many inconsistencies it ain't funny, but I guess Primal was right. There just ain't no pleasin some people. Haters gonna hate.

[Sabrblade]

So... I guess Megatron, being the leader of the Decepticons, can't call his buddies up and hitch a ride back home, but whatever.

What buddies? All the top dog Decepticons were killed off in DOTM, while all 50 of Galvatron's KSI Prototype minions were destroyed in AOE (I counted).

[Kurona]

Clearly the new Decepticons in this movie who appeared out of nowwhere with no explanations, just like all the other new Cybertronians in each movie.
The more criticisms I find of these movies the more fuel I have for my conspiracy theory that they're a greater G1 cartoon homage than anything else we've ever gotten.

[william-james88]

So... I guess Megatron, being the leader of the Decepticons, can't call his buddies up and hitch a ride back home, but whatever. I give up. Everyone just wants to hate on the movies and harsh my mellow over it. Sheesh. I'm a G1 fan and I could point out so many inconsistencies it ain't funny, but I guess Primal was right. There just ain't no pleasin some people. Haters gonna hate.

Whats with callin us haters bro? I dont dislike this film because its a Bay movie, or a Bay Transformers film, I just dislike it because its a bad film. I dislike bad films and paying money to watch em, so I disliked this one. And to be totaly honest, I could let go of all the inconsistencies and lack of any sense if I was at least distracted by fun awesome robo action. Age of Extinction delivered on that, and I was ok with it. But they couldnt even deliver on that with this one
But since all they give us is plot and exposition for hours, I am stuck listening to it and not seeing how any of it makes a lick of sense.

[EunuchRon]

Everyone jumped my case for just trying to connect some dots, like somethin's wrong with me for just wanting to mesh things together. You even said "It's pitiful". I know some people don't like the flicks, I get that, but it makes me not feel welcome in these parts, you know?

[william-james88]

Everyone jumped my case for just trying to connect some dots, like somethin's wrong with me for just wanting to mesh things together. You even said "It's pitiful". I know some people don't like the flicks, I get that, but it makes me not feel welcome in these parts, you know?

I see, sorry if I made you feel uneasy. And I wasnt referring to you, I was referring to where we are in all this. I do find the situation quite sad where a movie is so lacking that we must imagine more to it just for it to all work out. But hey man, if it makes you happy, then who am I to be an ass about it and rain on your parade.

[noctorro]

Other people already wrote stuff about Galvatron, but if you want Galvatron? He was always Megatron. Brains said that in AoE. How did he become the new Jet megatron again? He went back to Cybertron, met Quintessa who gave him his new form, new spark, and that red stripe on his head - you know, the same one she put on Optimus? That's why he transforms like normal again too. I thought everyone was smart enough to figure that out.
Never underestimate the hatred of the Bayverse I guess...

That is complete nonsense, that is terrible film making/story telling. The movie should've explained that. The viewer shouldn't fill in the huge between planets sized gap. Instead they focus on humor, ass, 8 other movies/series and internet memes.

This is not an intelligent movie, it's a sloppy, lazy mess.

Don't throw it on hatred for the Bayverse, I love Dark of the Moon. I love the music, I really love the forest battle (best robot fight ever in my opinion). I like the look of Infernocus. I like alot about the Bayverse. What I don't like, and what ruins it are the characters, story and well that's a lot.

If the viewer has to do so much theorizing and fantasizing to get the movie to make sense. Then why even make the movie? Make a few posters and a trailer.

The Trailer is way better than the actual movie. The trailer is way more serious, way more epic. That Cybertron was coming for earth looked amazing in the trailer. And then they ruin it in the actual movie by not really focussing on the grandness of it and throwing in a science comic relief guy to break any seriousness it still had.
In the trailer Anthony Hopkins' character brought this mature seriousness and mystery to the story. In the movie he's an old rambling fool/comic duo with the silly butler.
In the trailer you see Izabella and her story so it looked like the movie might be small scaled, grounded, following her. Nope, they drop her for most of the movie.
In the trailer you see Robocop reboot ED209, Metal Gears walking around attacking Transformers, suggesting a war between real man-made warmachines and Transformers in a post apocalyptic setting. That was like 7 minutes in the movie, we never see any of that again. And it's overshadowed by the boring drones.

In the Trailer you see medieval Knights, in the traailer you see World War 2, in the trailer you see Optimus Prime.

I'd rather have them do a Terminator Genesys trailer (which also royally messed up) then this lie.

Transformers The Last Knight feels like a serious version of Scary Movie with a Robot theme. Transformers Robot Movie, call it that.

[noctorro]

Everyone jumped my case for just trying to connect some dots, like somethin's wrong with me for just wanting to mesh things together. You even said "It's pitiful". I know some people don't like the flicks, I get that, but it makes me not feel welcome in these parts, you know?

Sorry, that's not what I was trying to do, everyone is welcome here as far as I'm concerned.

I'm just mad about this movie, I thought they were going in a good direction with the movies.
Dark of the Moon was very solid in story direction. Sam wants to matter, Sentinel Prime and Megatron allied to restore Cybertron. Autobots get banished from earth.
Age of Extinction serioused it up with the Ratchet scene, Optimus being damaged and angry at humans (if only for a minute or two). Humans making Transformers (didn't like the pixel transformation thingy). Dinobots (origin's a bit vague but, they were there and they had a good set of screentime)

And The Last Knight... well

[EunuchRon]

I gotcha. Sorry I went all emo, it just felt like I was the target and not the film. I'm used to watching stuff that makes you fill in the blanks, you know, a lot of 60's and 70's stuff like The Prisoner and Zardoz. I guess I'm just weird that way.

[william-james88]

I gotcha. Sorry I went all emo, it just felt like I was the target and not the film. I'm used to watching stuff that makes you fill in the blanks, you know, a lot of 60's and 70's stuff like The Prisoner and Zardoz. I guess I'm just weird that way.

Well you bring up two good examples that I do feel are made better when we analyse further. I do feel like the idea of the ubermench and other philosophies are present in Zardoz on purpose (though obviously, could have been executed better). I just personally feel that The last Knight is purposefully nonsensical and things just happened because a designer or writer thought it looked cool (which could also work, like in Skull Island, but it didnt here). A recent interview with Stanley Tucci confirms that a lot of the dialogue is improvised and that the film is not planned as being that tight once the script is finished (I should transcribe and news that soon). The production can and will go in all sorts of different directions at the director's whim. What we may analyze quite a bit probably had not much more thought than an improv skit. I feel Zardoz is different than that and the director just had problems making his vision clear. With Bay it seems what you see is what you get and if anything doesnt make sense, then so be it.

Thats my take from what I read and heard.

And of course, if ever you see frustration from anyone on these boards, it is directed at the film and not you

[Insurgent]

I WANTED MY UNDEAD GALVATRON DAMMIT!!!!!


I also wanted to follow Izzy. I liked her character. Best human in that film.

[WreckerJack]

If you would like to get a digital copy of Transformers: The Last Knight, iTunes has set up pre-orders. The expected release is September 12, 2017 and the pre-order itself costs 19.99 which may be subject to change according to iTunes.

[-Kanrabat-]

Pre-ordering a digital copy of anything. WHY? Is it possible for something digital to be out of stock?

This is stupid.