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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:08 pm

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Sunstar wrote:Just watched this with my mum tonight, she wanted to see anthony hopkins and then she pointed out that she thought cogman was the butler in Downton Abbey. So I checked that out on google and she was very amused. I think she enjoyed the movie for that and the scenery - I don't thinks he really understands the story (I told her she is not alone in that.)


Yes, it's the butler from Downton. There are other cameos, too. The main woman's mother was the nurse robot from "Humans".

Anyway, the other joke concerning Cogman is that he's both a British Headmaster AND a TF Headmaster (both meanings). Anyone else get that Easter egg?
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:53 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:Anyway, the other joke concerning Cogman is that he's both a British Headmaster AND a TF Headmaster (both meanings). Anyone else get that Easter egg?
More like that was an artifact left over from an earlier version of the script where Cogman was likely supposed to have transformed into a head and taken control of the decapitated body of Nitro Zeus during the final battle scene with Cybertron at Stonehenge, but since that didn't make it into the final cut, the bit where Sir Edmund Burton calls Cogman a Headmaster makes little sense in the finalized version, as it referred to his being "a very rare breed" of Cybertronian. Nothing was said of him being an educator, but a lot was said of him being a butler, "for 700 years" no less.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:18 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:Anyway, the other joke concerning Cogman is that he's both a British Headmaster AND a TF Headmaster (both meanings). Anyone else get that Easter egg?
More like that was an artifact left over from an earlier version of the script where Cogman was likely supposed to have transformed into a head and taken control of the decapitated body of Nitro Zeus during the final battle scene with Cybertron at Stonehenge, but since that didn't make it into the final cut, the bit where Sir Edmund Burton calls Cogman a Headmaster makes little sense in the finalized version, as it referred to his being "a very rare breed" of Cybertronian. Nothing was said of him being an educator, but a lot was said of him being a butler, "for 700 years" no less.



Yes, that's what I said. He was meant to be a Headmaster. However, the Easter egg/in-joke was that his demeanor and nationality (thus use of vocabulary) pointed that he was also a British Headmaster-esque character, too.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:20 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:Anyway, the other joke concerning Cogman is that he's both a British Headmaster AND a TF Headmaster (both meanings). Anyone else get that Easter egg?
More like that was an artifact left over from an earlier version of the script where Cogman was likely supposed to have transformed into a head and taken control of the decapitated body of Nitro Zeus during the final battle scene with Cybertron at Stonehenge, but since that didn't make it into the final cut, the bit where Sir Edmund Burton calls Cogman a Headmaster makes little sense in the finalized version, as it referred to his being "a very rare breed" of Cybertronian. Nothing was said of him being an educator, but a lot was said of him being a butler, "for 700 years" no less.



Yes, that's what I said. He was meant to be a Headmaster. However, the Easter egg/in-joke was that his demeanor and nationality (thus use of vocabulary) pointed that he was also a British Headmaster-esque character, too.
I... think that's called stereotyping, dude. Not cool.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:39 pm

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primalxconvoy wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
primalxconvoy wrote:Anyway, the other joke concerning Cogman is that he's both a British Headmaster AND a TF Headmaster (both meanings). Anyone else get that Easter egg?
More like that was an artifact left over from an earlier version of the script where Cogman was likely supposed to have transformed into a head and taken control of the decapitated body of Nitro Zeus during the final battle scene with Cybertron at Stonehenge, but since that didn't make it into the final cut, the bit where Sir Edmund Burton calls Cogman a Headmaster makes little sense in the finalized version, as it referred to his being "a very rare breed" of Cybertronian. Nothing was said of him being an educator, but a lot was said of him being a butler, "for 700 years" no less.



Yes, that's what I said. He was meant to be a Headmaster. However, the Easter egg/in-joke was that his demeanor and nationality (thus use of vocabulary) pointed that he was also a British Headmaster-esque character, too.
I... think that's called stereotyping, dude. Not cool.


Not true. Cogman's behavior is synonymous with traditional British Headmasters:

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- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pXw7LYWNi5E

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FiWJWLCoH2M

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JMNm7hGcz2E

Besides, even if that were not so, stereotyping him as a butler is just as "bad" in your book, surely?

- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QQeqOBEAOiA
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Transformers: The Last Knight Coming Back to Theatres for Free as Part of Community Day in Canada

Postby william-james88 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:18 pm

Every year in Canada, Cineplex movie theatres organize a community day where movies are shown in the morning for free and snacks are offered at low rates. Any money made goes to charity. The movies are always of the year so this year we have Transformers: The Last Knight as one of them. That particular film starts at 9:30 and it is first come first served as there are no tickets. This event is taking place next Saturday, the 27th, and doors open at 9 am. You can click on the following link to see the other movies offered and which cinemas are participating in the event: https://www.cineplex.com/Promos/Communi ... rtnerships

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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Quantum Surge » Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:34 pm

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I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices? Eh, maybe there would be some edits to change the black bar inconsistencies and putting in the "missing" scenes, but I'm probably a bit too optimistic for a more "complete" edit of TLK.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:23 pm

Quantum Surge wrote:I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices? Eh, maybe there would be some edits to change the black bar inconsistencies and putting in the "missing" scenes, but I'm probably a bit too optimistic for a more "complete" edit of TLK.

As the article states, its not about having a free TF film, its about having a free recent film.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:55 pm

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I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?
Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:17 pm

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I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?
Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:24 pm

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TurboMMaster wrote:
I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?
Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.

The third film is an abhoration. It is also a snooze fest and the worst film in both Francis Mcdormand and John Malkovich's careers.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:34 pm

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ZeroWolf wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:
I don't hate The Last Knight as much as a lot of other people do, but why choose that when the first movie, Dark of the Moon, and honestly even Age of Extinction would be better choices?
Actually a few reasons, The Last Knight, younger audience is more familiar with TLK, unlike other movies, the fifth one actually have some story, The First movie gets away with a lot only because of nostalgia and first impression, and Dark of the Moon is like the worst movie ever.

I thought I was one of the only ones to think the third film was terrible. It bored me.

The third film is an abhoration. It is also a snooze fest and the worst film in both Francis Mcdormand and John Malkovich's careers.
ALL of the sequels are lousy films.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:58 pm

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To be honest, I can't sit through a single one of the Bay TF films. They are so boring.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:09 pm

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So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:16 pm

steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:21 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby primalxconvoy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:31 pm

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I have tried to rewatch all of the TF films, but I honestly can't do it. I lose interest quickly or get confused. This is not the same with other "popcorn" films, such as Marvel action films, etc.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:32 pm

steals_your_goats wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).


You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.

Honestly, there were no positives for me, I hated the film throgh and through. The amount of money you would have to pay me to watch it again would be ridiculously high.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:51 am

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william-james88 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:So I finally decided to watch this one since I'm seeing bumblebee tomorrow. I'm halfway through and I'm not exaggerating when I say this is probably the worst movie I've ever seen. The animation is terrible, the writing is atrocious, the acting and especially the voice acting feels so forced, there is absolutely no plot whatsoever and the characters are so forgettable. Squeaks is pointless, Daytrader (so far) seems like he was put in only for a terrible joke, they gave the deceptions introductions for what reason? They didn't do anything other than die in 30 seconds. The way Hotrod gets his alt mode is such bullsh*t! That was the laziest thing I've ever seen. I honestly don't understand how anyone can honestly say that this is a good movie. Like I said I'm only halfway through but I can't see how this can even be remotely redeemed.

Also the introduction with the knights is a crime.

Dude, I agree. Its no exageration when i say its the worst film i watched last year and the worst TF film so far.

I think the only positives I can pull from this are the baby dinobots were adorable and the lead actress is gorgeous (and I'm fairly certain that's the only reason she's in this).


You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.

Honestly, there were no positives for me, I hated the film throgh and through. The amount of money you would have to pay me to watch it again would be ridiculously high.
The only part of TLK I liked was the King Arthur bit at the beginning. The big medieval war with the Guardian Knights coming in as Dragonstorm to help fight off the Saxons. I wanted to see more of THAT movie, not snippits of like 16 other random movies set in later times that were cobbled together to make all of TLK.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby TurboMMaster » Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:10 am

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You know there's a problem when the big hyped up fight scene between Bee and Nemesis Prime is as long as the discussion on Mark Wahlberg's sex life.
Sure, the other problem is that there is very little to no reason why Optimus Prime should be renamed after changing sides, technically Galvatron could de considered Nemesis Prime in the Bayverse, since in Bayverse mythos Nemesis = Evil Counterpart, and it's hard to be your own evil counterpart.

After rewatching this movie again, I still don't understand why it's so hated. Sure, it's far from beign great, but at least this time they are trying to create story and snd some kind of enviroment within movieverse. Also each character is relatively expressive, despite it's small role. Comparing to excuse plots and nameless drones from the previous movies, it's huge improvement, of course it's not har to do better than original trilogy.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:06 pm

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Remember the writers room thing? One of the ideas was Operation Skyfire which would of been a movie taking place during War World 2 and presumably by the name Skyfire would of been the main character perhaps and probably a different character from Jetfire from ROTF, while a whole movie didn't pan out it did influence the WW2 flashbacks in The Last Knight.

These pictures were in the bonus features but I think this is the first clear picture of them.

This was uploaded on the Artstation of JP Targete and here are his words on the artwork.

"A few years back me and a few other concept artist were invited by Paramount to participate in the "Transformers writer's room". We were there to help the writers visualize their unique "Transformers" movies. The results were exciting and fresh and gave a "new" take on the Transformer's Mythology. The images you see are a result of one of the "Transformer MOVIES" That was presented to Paramount and Steven Spielberg. The images can be seen on the special features of the "Transformers The Last Knight" Blue-ray. I was honored to be a part of this."



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For my personal opinion I would really like to see this concept revisited in the Knightverse if it ends up becoming a reboot following Bumblebee's success with Skyfire as the main character (I would love to have Skyfire and Jetfire be two different characters completely) even some of the designs here look slightly more like the designs see in Bumblebee (of the Shatter/Dropkick/Blitzwing type) more then the Bayverse for the most part.

I think it would be one of only a few solo type character focused films like Bumblebee that I could see working, once again keep the cast small with just Skyfire and maybe one or two other Autobots as casualties cause WW2 movie and a small group of Decepticons with old and new characters mixed in like say Bludgeon as the main antagonist Decepticon.
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:08 pm

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AS much as I love the knights, a WWII movie would be so badass. Something like that is really needed in our TV/movie fiction
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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:11 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:AS much as I love the knights, a WWII movie would be so badass. Something like that is really needed in our TV/movie fiction


I'll be honest I really loved the knight aspect of TLK (The beginning few minutes of the movie) and I was so hyped from what I saw at that TLK preview thing they had at a few theaters and I know my Mum really like the Knight stuff from the movie as well and now knowing what the movie did I would of split TLK into two movies instead of what happened.

One movie would be more of a "weird" G1 cartoon season 3 vibe movie in space with Optimus who took the Knightship (The AOE ending would not have ended with him rocketing to space) along with the Dinobots with the addition of Slog/Sludge, Snarl and Slash who were imprisoned in another part of the ship since the Dinobots are so big, tracking down the Creators/Quintessons using information/data on the ships computer which makes more sense then Prime trying to head off to space without info.

Only "Autobot" is Prime and his only allies would be the Dinobots, Bounty hunter and ex-Decepticon Thundercracker who is encountered in space and twin Knights Silverbolt and Kingbolt that the group would encounter, Antagonists would be the Creators and their various alien creatures both organic and machine including Sharkticons and brainwashed Knights including their leader Ultra Magnus, a Bounty Hunter crew led by Axor and Skywarp trying to get revenge for Lockdown's death and finally Galvatron who stowed away on the Knightship waiting for a change to kill Prime and would eventually get captured and brainwashed and reformatted into TLK Megatron by the Creators alongside Optimus Prime at the end of the movie who would get brainwashed as a lead up to the final movie.


The other movie would be on Earth and expand the whole Junkyard thing that the first half of the movie had with the cast being Cade Yeager, Bumblebee, Hound, Drift, Crosshairs, Wheelie, Topspin (He would of joined the surviving Autobots post AOE and confirm with a flashback that Roadbuster was the very first Autobot killed by Cemetary Wind.) Trench (Autobots new medic with Ratchet's death and a former Constructicon who is trying to teach Hound peaceful ways with little success at first) and recent addition of Canopy who brings in Sqweeks and Izabella with him after the other Autobots save him from Barricade who is the main villain in the movie because he can't let go of the War and puts together a rag tag group of Decepticons which includes disgraced former General Onslaught (Who would be the same guy as DOTM garbage truck con and be blue instead of green to be closer to G1 version and standout from ROTF Long Haul), Smolder (Red Ratchet body with a new head and flame weapons), surviving Dread Crowbar (TLK Dreadbot) who turns out is literally unkillible as a parody of Decepticon endurance in the films and has an surprising friendly Australian accent/voice in comparison to his monstrous appearance, Nitro Zeus (Who would be silly at one moment before acting very sinister at the next to better show the tracker role), Mohawk, Roadblock (2007 Barricade with a different head, white colorscheme based off early concept art of 2007 Barriacde who turned into a more simple police car) and Chopper the green Blackout from the tiny turbo chargers line.

End of the movie would be the battle at the abandoned town from TLK but as a bigger set piece with the casualties of Crosshairs and Canopy (who dies his death from the TLK movie here) on the Autobots side and the deaths of all cons except Barricade, Onslaught, Crowbar, Smolder and Nitro Zeus as enemies of the final film which would be a better version of the second half of TLK.
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Artwork and Poster for Unproduced WWII set Transformers Film Operation Skyfire

Postby william-james88 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:56 pm

Fellow Seibertronian Deadput uncovered art and plans for a WWII set Transformers film that will probably never come to be. He has written all the details below, enjoy!

Remember the writers room thing? One of the ideas was Operation Skyfire which would of been a movie taking place during War World 2 and presumably by the name Skyfire would of been the main character perhaps and probably a different character from Jetfire from ROTF, while a whole movie didn't pan out it did influence the WW2 flashbacks in The Last Knight.

These pictures were in the bonus features but I think this is the first clear picture of them.

This was uploaded on the Artstation of JP Targete and here are his words on the artwork.

"A few years back me and a few other concept artist were invited by Paramount to participate in the "Transformers writer's room". We were there to help the writers visualize their unique "Transformers" movies. The results were exciting and fresh and gave a "new" take on the Transformer's Mythology. The images you see are a result of one of the "Transformer MOVIES" That was presented to Paramount and Steven Spielberg. The images can be seen on the special features of the "Transformers The Last Knight" Blue-ray. I was honored to be a part of this."


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Re: Transformers: The Last Knight Discussion Thread

Postby LevelRage » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:48 pm

Man, I would love to see this come to light later on for the movie-verse. Probably could even retcon the issue of Bee's WW2 scene and his solo movie. Also feels kinda steam-punkish in a way to me.
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