The Energon Pub

Sabrblade wrote:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

BERSEKAEL wrote:no legion class ?

They stopped making Legion Class figures after Prime ended. Perhaps you mean Legends Class? In that case, Wheelie, Rumble, And Stripes are all Legends Class figures.

RID 2015 has Legion class toys.

I can't believe I forgot that, mainly because I own a few of those.

Hellscream9999 wrote: But as far as 'cool as it gets', I'm siding with Alpha Trion, who is now my new Sky Reign (bet'cha never thought that would be a thing)

HI 5! I am also most excited for Alpha Lion. He and Vector Prime are gonna tear it up!

Hellscream9999 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards

That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new

I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.

They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction

Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.

That's because they added the tower halves to his abdomen area

Looking at it again they did use his torso as a base but saying that it's just him turned around with the towers attached is an overstatement. There's plenty of new and fresh molding done to it that sets the figure apart from his mold mate. This is more than a simple retool.

steals_your_goats wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Pretty sure fort max is metro facing backwards

That couldn't be further from the truth. The groin is the same but backwards, the forearms and feet are the same but the shoulders, shins and thighs are remolded and the torso is completely new

I own Metroplex, and I can totally confirm that Fort Max's crotch is Metroplex's crotch put on backwards.

They even kept the pivot hinge the right arm is now attached to (formerly the left), which, by the way, doesn't even seem to serve a purpose for him now...

I can plainly see that it is significantly different now, but, lets not go and pull one over ourselves if he really is metro facing another direction

Metro is way too thin to be the same as Fort max.

That's because they added the tower halves to his abdomen area

Looking at it again they did use his torso as a base but saying that it's just him turned around with the towers attached is an overstatement. There's plenty of new and fresh molding done to it that sets the figure apart from his mold mate. This is more than a simple retool.

That is the exact message I was trying to get across earlier! This isn't a simple retool, this is so much more!

DigitalBrave3 wrote:That is the exact message I was trying to get across earlier! This isn't a simple retool, this is so much more!

Yep, not a simple retool, a super-thoroughly extensive retool/reshell.

Sabrblade wrote:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:That is the exact message I was trying to get across earlier! This isn't a simple retool, this is so much more!

Yep, not a simple retool, a super-thoroughly extensive retool/reshell.

Exactly!

Finally caught up here.

I was not disappointed by any of the reveals. To me, Max is an improvement over Metro and I will buy him and he looks awesome. The new guys all look good and the titan masters seems to be some fun stuff I look forward to.

Still waiting on my boy A3. Next time. Gotta soak in the titan first.

Chromedome and Dead End share looks, and it looks like Domey was based on DE, but to me it looks like they did enough to actually call it a new mold, and I like it as it works for Domey very well.

Looking forward to more!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Finally caught up here.

I was not disappointed by any of the reveals. To me, Max is an improvement over Metro and I will buy him and he looks awesome. The new guys all look good and the titan masters seems to be some fun stuff I look forward to.

Still waiting on my boy A3. Next time. Gotta soak in the titan first.

Chromedome and Dead End share looks, and it looks like Domey was based on DE, but to me it looks like they did enough to actually call it a new mold, and I like it as it works for Domey very well.

Looking forward to more!

I also think Fort Max looks a lot better than Metroplex.

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Finally caught up here.

I was not disappointed by any of the reveals. To me, Max is an improvement over Metro and I will buy him and he looks awesome. The new guys all look good and the titan masters seems to be some fun stuff I look forward to.

Still waiting on my boy A3. Next time. Gotta soak in the titan first.

Chromedome and Dead End share looks, and it looks like Domey was based on DE, but to me it looks like they did enough to actually call it a new mold, and I like it as it works for Domey very well.

Looking forward to more!

I also think Fort Max looks a lot better than Metroplex.

Yeah, he doesn't have that dainty waist like Metro. I didn't realize just how massive he was. His lower leg section is as big as PMOP and Ultra Magnus, that's crazy!

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Finally caught up here.

I was not disappointed by any of the reveals. To me, Max is an improvement over Metro and I will buy him and he looks awesome. The new guys all look good and the titan masters seems to be some fun stuff I look forward to.

Still waiting on my boy A3. Next time. Gotta soak in the titan first.

Chromedome and Dead End share looks, and it looks like Domey was based on DE, but to me it looks like they did enough to actually call it a new mold, and I like it as it works for Domey very well.

Looking forward to more!

I also think Fort Max looks a lot better than Metroplex.

that is my current opinion too! even his alt modes look a bit better and more integrated

While I agree that I think Fort Max looks better than Metroplex (and I just like Fort Max more than Metroplex in general), I kinda feel like I still like the original G1 Fort Max more than this new one, modern articulation be darned.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Finally caught up here.

I was not disappointed by any of the reveals. To me, Max is an improvement over Metro and I will buy him and he looks awesome. The new guys all look good and the titan masters seems to be some fun stuff I look forward to.

Still waiting on my boy A3. Next time. Gotta soak in the titan first.

Chromedome and Dead End share looks, and it looks like Domey was based on DE, but to me it looks like they did enough to actually call it a new mold, and I like it as it works for Domey very well.

Looking forward to more!

I also think Fort Max looks a lot better than Metroplex.

that is my current opinion too! even his alt modes look a bit better and more integrated

I know, right!

Sabrblade wrote:While I agree that I think Fort Max looks better than Metroplex (and I just like Fort Max more than Metroplex in general), I kinda feel like I still like the original G1 Fort Max more than this new one, modern articulation be darned.

The original is very cool, and the transformation and sheer size and imposing look cannot be challenged. But for an update based on another mold using new articulation and the new headmaster system, it is really cool looking

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:While I agree that I think Fort Max looks better than Metroplex (and I just like Fort Max more than Metroplex in general), I kinda feel like I still like the original G1 Fort Max more than this new one, modern articulation be darned.

The original is very cool, and the transformation and sheer size and imposing look cannot be challenged. But for an update based on another mold using new articulation and the new headmaster system, it is really cool looking

I have also always been more of a fan of Fortress Maximus than Metroplex. I personally think the TR Fort Max is just as cool as the original, which is my second most desired Transformers figure.

Brainstorm would make a nice Dai Atlas.

RodimusRex wrote:Brainstorm would make a nice Dai Atlas.

A Titans Return Dai Atlas would be amazing! except I think Brainstorm is remolded from Blurr.

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:While I agree that I think Fort Max looks better than Metroplex (and I just like Fort Max more than Metroplex in general), I kinda feel like I still like the original G1 Fort Max more than this new one, modern articulation be darned.

The original is very cool, and the transformation and sheer size and imposing look cannot be challenged. But for an update based on another mold using new articulation and the new headmaster system, it is really cool looking

I have also always been more of a fan of Fortress Maximus than Metroplex. I personally think the TR Fort Max is just as cool as the original, which is my second most desired Transformers figure.

Fall of Cybertron made Metro stand out for me, while IDW made fort Max stand out. I like my Metroplex, but I look forward to Max. despite how far he is from his IDW self, he will go with my MTMTE guys

DigitalBrave3 wrote:

RodimusRex wrote:Brainstorm would make a nice Dai Atlas.

A Titans Return Dai Atlas would be amazing! except I think Brainstorm is remolded from Blurr.

He is. I could see it as a Botcon 2016 redeco, a later redeco, or something Takara might do with some chest remolding.

Though, I am not a fan of the Rebirth Cerebros head and colors, as that 3-parter really put me off on the Cerebros character being so whiny and unpleasant in his pessimistic take on pacifism.

I'm much more partial to the more toy-accurate look of Fortress from The Headmasters.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Thats not a source that just your opinion based on what you qualify as a retool.

Will, I am not stating any opinion. I am stating what I see based on careful observations of the Chromedome photos, the Dead End figure I have on hand, and the comparisons I have made between the two, in which I can definitely say that, while the two share similar aesthetics and design elements, I see no base parts that are indentically sculpted between the two figure beyond some minuscule rudimentary components (namely joints) that are shared across many figures that Hasbro/TakaraTomy have developed. This is not my opinion, but it is my observation.

But it remains your opinion that your observation defines it as not a retool. I do not share that notion. By my definition, the fact that they retooled every inch of that mold, thus reworking every piece of the older mold, still makes it a retool.

DigitalBrave3 wrote:I think people need to shut up about Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex. I personally think it it's a similar case to Titans Return Cromedome, it's so different we can't exactly call it a remold.

Why are you dictating what I should say? I believe its a retool of metroplex and thus I am free to call it exactly that. Plus...

DigitalBrave3 wrote:The Cromedome/Dead End thing is pretty stupid too. I agree with you on that, but I just personally don't think that Fortress Naximus is a retool of Metroplex. They're likely just similar figures that share a few parts. Hasbro has done that kinda thing before, I believe, so my theory is possible.

Your theory is invalidated by the notion of authorial intent. If Hasbro says its a retool, there is nothing you or anyone can say against it since they have final say, being the ones behind this toy. And this is what they said in a Q&A session from a few months ago:

Hasbro wrote:Fortress Maximus was very challenging to work on due to its size, costing, weight and the fact that it has to work with other bases in the "Titans Return" line. It is a retool of Metroplex, but an extensive one.

ScottyP wrote:So, Wheelie. Cool as it gets, right? Never expected him to steal the show like that!

Yeah, he stole the show for me as well.

Sabrblade wrote:While I agree that I think Fort Max looks better than Metroplex (and I just like Fort Max more than Metroplex in general), I kinda feel like I still like the original G1 Fort Max more than this new one, modern articulation be darned.

I am currently heavily debating what to drop my cash on, this new version or the encore

BERSEKAEL wrote:no legion class ?

Not in this thread, you'd be better to test your luck out here: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... fny/34750/

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I am not a fan of the Rebirth Cerebros head and colors, as that 3-parter really put me off on the Cerebros character being so whiny and unpleasant in his pessimistic take on pacifism.

I'm much more partial to the more toy-accurate look of Fortress from The Headmasters.

Hrm. I wonder if that's something Funpub could do with a Headmaster named Spike.

Part of what I'm interested to see is if we'll see packs of alternate heads representing other characters who don't make the cut for the line... although an alternate Cerebros would be awesome.

Sabrblade wrote:Though, I am not a fan of the Rebirth Cerebros head and colors, as that 3-parter really put me off on the Cerebros character being so whiny and unpleasant in his pessimistic take on pacifism.

I'm much more partial to the more toy-accurate look of Fortress from The Headmasters.

I feel the exact same way!

william-james88 wrote:By my definition, the fact that they retooled every inch of that mold, thus reworking every piece of the older mold, still makes it a retool.

If you change every single piece of a mold to the extent that none of its pieces are the same as they were before, how is it then still the same mold if literally nothing about it is the same anymore? How is it not an all new mold, inspired by a preexisting mold, by that point?

Different molds can share transformation engineering. I provided a list of several that have done so previously in an earlier post:

Other cases like this would be:

• The G1 Bumblebee, G1 Cliffjumper, and G1 Bumper molds
• The G1 Runabout and G1 Runamuck molds
• The Alternators Smokescreen and Alternators Meister molds
• The Energon Sledge/Bonecrusher and Cybertron Hardtop molds
• The Prime Cyberverse Legion Knock Out and Prime Beast Hunters Cyberverse Legion Smokescreen molds
• The DOTM Deluxe Roadbuster and AOE Deluxe Lockdown molds

How is this case of Chromedome any different from the above examples?

DigitalBrave3 wrote:I think people need to shut up about Fort Max being a remold of Metroplex. I personally think it it's a similar case to Titans Return Cromedome, it's so different we can't exactly call it a remold.

Why are you dictating what I should say? I believe its a retool of metroplex and thus I am free to call it exactly that. Plus...

DigitalBrave3 wrote:The Cromedome/Dead End thing is pretty stupid too. I agree with you on that, but I just personally don't think that Fortress Naximus is a retool of Metroplex. They're likely just similar figures that share a few parts. Hasbro has done that kinda thing before, I believe, so my theory is possible.

Your theory is invalidated by the notion of authorial intent. If Hasbro says its a retool, there is nothing you or anyone can say against it since they have final say, being the ones behind this toy. And this is what they said in a Q&A session from a few months ago:

Hasbro wrote:Fortress Maximus was very challenging to work on due to its size, costing, weight and the fact that it has to work with other bases in the "Titans Return" line. It is a retool of Metroplex, but an extensive one.

I'm... Very sorry. I never meant to come off that way. I just... Never knew about that Q&A session. Thank you for letting me know that exists. I'll just shut up now.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:
...In the same post. Classic.

No need to laugh at me. I am not accustomed the G1 Fort Max or these characters and their functions. I didnt know that was cerebros up there, thats pretty cool. it not being obvious to me means they did a good job integrating him well within the base.

I thank the community for having shown me where he was in the picture.

Just poking a little fun at you, no harm meant by it.

One neat thing we get to see in that picture is if you look on the ramp you can see Skullcruncher's tail and gun combined in Titan Master vehicle mode. Just goes to confirm that every figure really does have a weapon that doubles as a Titan Master vehicle. I like what this means for the Deluxe figures, it feels like we're finally starting to get more for our money with the extra weapons, more complex transformations, and a mini figure. I just hope they don't raise the prices. Now I wonder why they're keeping these extra vehicle modes so secret, same goes for the Titan Master's vehicle weapon modes.

Have they been saying fall all this time for the release date? I just double checked the press release from NYCC and they didn't give a date at that time so I just assumed before knew what they were talking about when saying summer as if Hasbro had said it. So I guess August really does make more sense. That's a long ways off...

Going back to the Fort Max fact sheet, those numbers are probably accurate for a retail release, it's not like a lot of places sell Titans offline and his price would would mean a lower volume. Plus an SDCC exclusive or even a retail exclusive wouldn't have worldwide release numbers. So yeah, it seems the sword was nixed from the retail version and Fort Max gets no real weapons to speak of aside from on his legs. Lame. Depending on the presumed SDCC version I might just go Takara Tomy again.

Emerje