The Energon Pub

william-james88 wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:i can see kup being turned into crosshairs.
i have a weird idea for wave 6
tms arcee ? ? ?
legends eject rumble ramhorn
deluxes crosshairs pointblank sureshot and slugslinger(confirmed)
voyagers apeface and snapdragon
leader deathzaras

You can scratch eject off the list, hasbro said we wouldnt get him, nor the blue decepticon one.

But thats ok, Eject had a ton of love in all his G1 rereleases.

SureShot18 wrote:Found Broadside and Black Shadow at Toysrus in Pleasant Hills, PA. And if they're around here they'll be saturated soon enough. Didn't buy either because Broadside doesn't interest me (even if I ignore the jet mode) but oh man I'm going to have to get Black Shadow. He looks gorgeous in person.
.

What stopped you from buying Sky Shadow?

Kurona wrote:Actually yeah, I'm wondering... of the 6 Voyager molds we have so far, what does everyone feel about them? I've only got Megatron and I adore him, but what about Galvatron, Trion, Sentinel/Astro, Broad and Prime/Tankor? How do they rank against Megs if you've got him?

I have a real hard time with ranking the voyagers, they all have their pros and cons. I have this top 5 best triple changers list and I dont even know if any of these can even compare to G1 astrotrain. I guess the only one who has 3 nice modes is Voyager Megs and Blitzwing but the deco on megs is ass and yet looks better than Blitzwing who has fake kibble.

I think my favourite is TR astrotrain simply because the transformation is fun, its an old concept finally brought to light, all the alt modes are interesting and have cool references, and his robot mode is the best of all of em. But its not like he beats em all by a huge margin either.

WJ what are your thoughts comparing the triple changers to their Generations and Transformers Animated selves? (or was that a list?). I'm still personally in love with TF:Animated Blitzwing, and glad the face gimmick was carried over to the generations figure.

RAR wrote:There is a term for something not being accurate to an IDW comic book.
It's called : "A Selling Point".

That's strange, on the contrary I'd think being accurate to fiction they appeared in would be a selling point - why wouldn't you want the toy to look like the character you love? Especially when they're very obscure characters so there's not a lot of people that are fans of these characters outside the IDW comics, and of course kids aren't going to care...


Has anyone else found Optimus/Octane rather odd? As in, the mold seems to be modeled completely after Laser Prime rather than any identifiable version of Octane? It's certainly a rather confusing way of doing things considering this mold was almost assuredly made for Octane.

Kurona wrote:Has anyone else found Optimus/Octane rather odd? As in, the mold seems to be modeled completely after Laser Prime rather than any identifiable version of Octane? It's certainly a rather confusing way of doing things considering this mold was almost assuredly made for Octane.

The Octane version remolded several parts to resemble those of Octane.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Has anyone else found Optimus/Octane rather odd? As in, the mold seems to be modeled completely after Laser Prime rather than any identifiable version of Octane? It's certainly a rather confusing way of doing things considering this mold was almost assuredly made for Octane.

The Octane version remolded several parts to resemble those of Octane.

Certainly a few, but in terms of how the body parts are laid out and quite a lot of parts that remain the same from Prime - most notably the legs and shoulder pillars - it still feels a lot more like a Laser Prime that was slightly edited into Octane, rather than the purpose of the mold being Octane from the start. Which, again, is very strange when it's a Triple-changing Robot/Truck/Jet...

The others at least are devoted to being their intended mold use. Megatron and Sentinel Prime are clearly Blitzwing and Astrotrain with a few parts changed to better resemble Megatron and Sentinel Prime, rather than Blitzwing and Astrotrain being Megatron and Sentinel Prime with a few parts changed to better resemble Blitzwing and Astrotrain. It's just so weird that Optimus/Octane isn't quite as clear cut as those two.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:You can scratch eject off the list, hasbro said we wouldnt get him, nor the blue decepticon one.

But thats ok, Eject had a ton of love in all his G1 rereleases.

That's weak! We see alot of complaining from the fandom about simple repaints. Yet here are 2 repaints we will gladly take and they won't do it? I have to say that in my opinion that's a fail by Hasbro.

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:There is a term for something not being accurate to an IDW comic book.
It's called : "A Selling Point".

That's strange, on the contrary I'd think being accurate to fiction they appeared in would be a selling point - why wouldn't you want the toy to look like the character you love? Especially when they're very obscure characters so there's not a lot of people that are fans of these characters outside the IDW comics, and of course kids aren't going to care...

I think...and I may be wrong, but he was eluding to the fact that he'd rather have the figure more represent the original series look, than the IDW look. Of course as you say, kids wont really care, but for adults its a mixed bag. The fact that many of these toys have a strong original series feel is a strong selling point to me, but some of the toys obviously have strong ties to IDW as well, which is a strong selling point to others.

o.supreme wrote:

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:There is a term for something not being accurate to an IDW comic book.
It's called : "A Selling Point".

That's strange, on the contrary I'd think being accurate to fiction they appeared in would be a selling point - why wouldn't you want the toy to look like the character you love? Especially when they're very obscure characters so there's not a lot of people that are fans of these characters outside the IDW comics, and of course kids aren't going to care...

I think...and I may be wrong, but he was eluding to the fact that he'd rather have the figure more represent the original series look, than the IDW look. Of course as you say, kids wont really care, but for adults its a mixed bag. The fact that many of these toys have a strong original series feel is a strong selling point to me, but some of the toys obviously have strong ties to IDW as well, which is a strong selling point to others.

Very true; and hence why I'm not exactly going to demand it for the likes of Optimus or Hot Rod or even Brainstorm (though then again, considering how many different versions of Optimus we've already had in Generations, maybe an IDW-inspired Voyager would be due) But I figure that characters that are basically unknown outside of IDW - Krok, Swerve, Crankcase etc. - would make sense to bear resemblance to their IDW incarnations, as more people are likely to know them from there than their actual toys.

Still, at the end of the day; most of us aren't actually saying Generations should cater towards IDW fans - we're more or less just saying that we'll get Krok for our Lost Light shelves but we just wish he looked a little more like his IDW self. A shame and sadness rather than a demand.

I only own one TR Voyager, Sentinel Prime (Again, thanks to WJ88) and I love him. Very simple but fun and clever transformation, decent articulation, pretty good QC and a very striking look. I really like his train/"land battleship" mode-;it looks properly imposing, and very Brave-esque. And the face is one of my favourite Prime faces in recent years, it reminds me of Omega Prime in a way.

He has a decent amount of paint too, though I wish his shuttle windows and all the wheels were painted. Also, if I do any amount of paintwork on him beyond basic touchups like the wheels and windows, it'll be to take the grey parts (the rollers, the feet/vehicle front ends and the like) and airbrush them gold. The grey really jars with his warm colour scheme.

I will say though, whilst I love the mold as Sentinel I don't think I like it as Astrotrain. He really needs to be a proper old-timey locomotive IMO. I don't mind if the space shuttle mode isn't 100% accurate (in fact I'd love it if they did his shuttle mode as a steampunk/dieselpunk "galactic express" that's obviously a train that's deployed boosters, wings and other spacey bits) and I'm not asking for a 100% authentic representation of an actual train, but really he needs to have that tank engine/old school locomotive look to him (was Astrotrain a steam or diesel train?).

In terms of the other Voyagers, from what I've seen of them, my thoughts (in no particular order):

Blitzwing/Megatron: When it comes out, this (or the hopefully sticker-free Takara version) will be my Blitzwing. Fake kibble or not, he works perfectly IMO. Megatron I don't want, partly because the grey plastic and stickers put me off, partly because I'm already working on my custom Megatron, but mostly because I want the mold as Blitzwing and I don't want them sharing molds.

Optimus Prime/Octane: Hmm. The shonky plane mode puts me off Octane. I can accept triple changers having one mode looking kinda weird/unrealistic, but that plane mode is just awful. Optimus Prime actually looks pretty decent and I can ignore the plane mode entirely...but those stickers, man. Nope. That said, if Takara does a decent job with their Scourge repaint and I can get it for a sensible price I might bite.

Galvatron: It's a shame the Headmaster gimmick so completely screwed up this figure because IMO he actually looks great aside from that. I still want him and intend to give him Shapeways upgrades (specifically the helmet and cannon mount from Fakebusker83) but I do wish they'd done a better job of his noggin. I'm still holding out hope for an Energon Megatron redeco of him though, that'd be sweet.

Alpha Trion: I actually think this mold looks pretty sweet. The colours rock, and the robot mode makes him look like a barbarian sage/"muscle wizard". The lion mode is dorky, but it's charming; kinda reminds me of a big, blocky Sentai toy, except with actual articulation in robot mode. The space cruiser mode kinda works for me too, in that abstract way- reminds me of the Macross in a way.

Broadside: Meh, this is the one I really don't care for. Maybe it's because of how stupid the base concept is and how bad that jet mode is. The robot mode looks good, no doubt. The aircraft carrier looks great (stickers aside) but being a Voyager it's just too small, even for Legends (a fact only hammered home by the included Aerialbots). And unlike Alpha Trion it doesn't even have the excuse of being an abstract space thing. The jet mode, meanwhile, is absolutely atrocious. Also, stickers.

Talking of Fakebusker and Wave 1 Voyagers...



That is delicious.

Oh.My.Primus.

Those guns totally rock on Sentinel.

Kurona wrote:Talking of Fakebusker and Wave 1 Voyagers...



That is delicious.

A shame about the £37 asking price because I REALLY want those for my Sentinel. The guns he comes with just don't cut the mustard.

Twinferno's guns work well for the shoulder guns on Sentinel.

I've just had a thought. You could totally make a Stalker out of Hardhead... Has anybody made a digibash of this?

Bronze, I am going to start using your sig pic as my phone background. Totally awesome.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:Bronze, I am going to start using your sig pic as my phone background. Totally awesome.

Please do, I'd be honored.

Meanwhile in other news I still haven't found a Bumblebee or a Kickback. Driving me insane.

Bronzewolf wrote:Meanwhile in other news I still haven't found a Bumblebee or a Kickback. Driving me insane.

And that's why I stopped hunting in the wild a long time ago. Nowadays the INTERNET is my plastic crack dealer.

Kurona wrote:Has anyone else found Optimus/Octane rather odd? As in, the mold seems to be modeled completely after Laser Prime rather than any identifiable version of Octane? It's certainly a rather confusing way of doing things considering this mold was almost assuredly made for Octane.

Made even more confusing by taking that Laser Prime mold and releasing it at retail in Star Convoy's colors which looks nothing like Laser Prime. Would have been cool if they could have at least reshelled the rounded tanker trailer panels with squared box trailer parts. Then the Laser Prime from the box set could have been a combination of the Star Convoy and Octane parts.

Bronzewolf wrote:I've just had a thought. You could totally make a Stalker out of Hardhead... Has anybody made a digibash of this?

It's old, but this was posted by Sabr on page 729.

It does look very good, though I'd rather have Machine Wars Soundwave. I miss Fun Pub sometimes.

Emerje

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Bronzewolf wrote:Meanwhile in other news I still haven't found a Bumblebee or a Kickback. Driving me insane.

And that's why I stopped hunting in the wild a long time ago. Nowadays the INTERNET is my plastic crack dealer.

Don't lose heart, Walmart just now stocked them in my area. Almost nabbed a Kickback, but my Bombshell is still back home...

Emerje wrote:

Bronzewolf wrote:I've just had a thought. You could totally make a Stalker out of Hardhead... Has anybody made a digibash of this?

It's old, but this was posted by Sabr on page 729.

It does look very good, though I'd rather have Machine Wars Soundwave. I miss Fun Pub sometimes.

Emerje

Hey, I was just a couple pages off. It does work well.

EASTER HAUL

First up, haul pics!





Second, some Fort Max stuff. This is his carrier mode, which he uses to carry the Headmaster team. One deluxe on each runway, Headmasters piloting, Rewind in the shoulder compartment, Cerebros in the tower, with Emissary inside Cerebros' backpack as a cockpit.



Now, next is his ship mode. It's my headcanon that Fort Max can mass shift to be large enough to contain the team (and more) inside, hence why you don't see them. But, I can't decide whether it should be like this, with the arms as rear thrusters:



Or like this, with the arms as under-the-wing engines:



And finally...


So glad to have these guys together. Autobots, ROLL OUT!

SpikeyTigertron wrote:WJ what are your thoughts comparing the triple changers to their Generations and Transformers Animated selves? (or was that a list?). I'm still personally in love with TF:Animated Blitzwing, and glad the face gimmick was carried over to the generations figure.

Thanks for asking, but I think we may have different tastes. I am not a big fan of either generations or animation blitzwing. I will admit, animated is interesting but those big treads in airplane mode look odd to me. It sis cool that it made it to the generations figure. But of all the classics triple changers before these TR ones, the only ones I found really good were Springer and Sandstorm, which I think are the best triple changers out there. Do you or anyone else here think that these TR triple changers hold a candle to Springer and Sandstorm?

william-james88 wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:WJ what are your thoughts comparing the triple changers to their Generations and Transformers Animated selves? (or was that a list?). I'm still personally in love with TF:Animated Blitzwing, and glad the face gimmick was carried over to the generations figure.

Thanks for asking, but I think we may have different tastes. I am not a big fan of either generations or animation blitzwing. I will admit, animated is interesting but those big treads in airplane mode look odd to me. It sis cool that it made it to the generations figure. But of all the classics triple changers before these TR ones, the only ones I found really good were Springer and Sandstorm, which I think are the best triple changers out there. Do you or anyone else here think that these TR triple changers hold a candle to Springer and Sandstorm?

I'd probably say Springer is the best triple changer out there. Sandstorm is close, but mine had some serious molding issues that prevented him from holding together in helicopter mode properly and he was too back heavy to stand properly. I also just generally like Springer's colors better. Both are fantastic (re)molds, and I love Sandstorm's dune buggy mode, but Springer edges him out for me pretty easily.

Emerje wrote:It does look very good, though I'd rather have Machine Wars Soundwave.

You sir, are just wrong.
But fine, you can have Hardhead as MW Soundwave, as long as they remold CW Onslaught into Stalker.

Burn wrote:

Emerje wrote:It does look very good, though I'd rather have Machine Wars Soundwave.

You sir, are just wrong.
But fine, you can have Hardhead as MW Soundwave, as long as they remold CW Onslaught into Stalker.

As much as I love Machine Wars, I'd rather have a titans return stalker first.