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william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:how many "Optimus Prime" figures with a different design each does a line need?

as many as can be sold come christmas.

Parents think: "Laser Prime, Magnus Prime, or Optimus Prime? Must be different guys, I'll get them all"
Kids know: "Mom and dad got me three Optimus Primes! YAY"

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:how many "Optimus Prime" figures with a different design each does a line need?

as many as can be sold come christmas.

Parents think: "Laser Prime, Magnus Prime, or Optimus Prime? Must be different guys, I'll get them all"
Kids know: "Mom and dad got me three Optimus Primes! YAY"

I meant more that the more optimus primes you make, the more will be on the shelves and the more can be sold. Parents dont care which optimus they get as long as its Optimus. But stores are not as likely to stock the exact same toy 50 times (unless you are my toysrus) while there is definite demand for more than 50 primes come christmas. Hell, there is huge demand for Prime right now from TLK. That voyager is selling out while Grimlock stays behind.

And yeah, kids seem to not mind having more of the same character. Like Batman. That is the very best example. Kids will have a ton of batman toys, all slightly different. I gave my daughter a batman for her to keep in her room and another one for the car. But instead she just took both of them and carried them around with her. Having 2 was better than 1 for some reason.

william-james88 wrote:So I got Sixshot again today after having sold my first one to a friend in need. My TRUs are now FILLED with them. It turns out there is a big difference in quality from the first batch that only came to walmarts in Canada. The knees are super tight here and it pegs in well at the centre in jet mode.

Ya know what? FRACK!!

Man, I am so not patient, and it keeps kicking me. Oh well, at least Quickswitch is great

Thanks to TFW2005 member Payres, we have new images of the upcoming Titans Return Siege on Cybertron boxset bios and tech specs! The new images show that Thunderwing is the ultimate weapon of mass destruction, and he is designed to hook up to Tidal Wave, with the stats of Tidal Wave showing the extra bars that match up with Thunderwing, indicating the intention of combining the 2. Magnus Prime, Pounce, and Metalhawk are also included, with Metalhawk being the team leader, Magnus Prime as a city commander, and Pounce as a infiltrator. You can check out the images below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

Overcracker wrote:Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

The Spanish looks ok, really. I'll have my wife look at it, she's half Mexican.

Do the Titan Masters for Magnus, Metalhawk, or Tidalwave have names?

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Do the Titan Masters for Magnus, Metalhawk, or Tidalwave have names?

Like the Velocitron set, they don't. That shouldn't stop you from making your own, like I did.

Did we ever get images of the bios for the other set? I still have the poster thing.

MagicDeath wrote:Did we ever get images of the bios for the other set? I still have the poster thing.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why exactly shouldn't it have been there? Ginrai was a fairly logical assumption given Metalhawk's presence. Considering, y'know, Metalhawk was of Masterforce origins. The TM partner looking like Optimus (Where's your source for this by the way? The only thing I've seen stated about color changes to it is that the legs and head were made blue.) would not exactly pin the toy down as either of them, it would simply mean the TM partner was changed to reflect the cab robot rather than the Powermaster/Godmaster.

There was enough evidence to suggest that Magnus Prime was a form of Ginrai, but not enough to officially establish him as such. With the bio revealing the function of City Commander, one that Ultra Magnus had, plus the missile launchers that are normally not present on the Ginrai mold suggest it's supposed to be him, not Ginrai. But nothing conclusive just yet until he appears in fiction. TFWiki is far from an official authority, but companies do use it to excess (look up Roadburner to see what I mean).

The missile launchers aren't present on the actual "Magnus Prime" toy, they only exist in the bio. The bio, which according to Sabrblade was written based on the toy being planned as a redeco of the Ultra Magnus version of the mold (which would make him neither Ginrai nor Ultra Magnus, but rather a misnamed Delta Magnus).

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why exactly shouldn't it have been there? Ginrai was a fairly logical assumption given Metalhawk's presence. Considering, y'know, Metalhawk was of Masterforce origins.

Except that Metalhawk actually is Metalhawk. Hasbro has used the name "Ginrai" in the past, so if they wanted Magnus Prime to be Ginrai, there was nothing stopping Hasbro from naming him "Ginrai". Yet, he was given a name that has nothing to do with Ginrai since Ginrai is neither a Prime nor a Magnus. It made no sense for an Optimus Prime-lookalike named "Magnus Prime" to be Ginrai.

Hasbro and FunPub using the name "Ginrai" in the past does not preclude Hasbro balking at using the Japanese name in the present. Especially since that usage was on a toy sold at a convention and thus aimed directly at fans, while this is being aimed at a general market.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The TM partner looking like Optimus (Where's your source for this by the way?

The in-hand pics of the Titan Master that we saw awhile back, which had the Titan Master colored to look like a mini-Optimus Prime.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The only thing I've seen stated about color changes to it is that the legs and head were made blue.) would not exactly pin the toy down as either of them, it would simply mean the TM partner was changed to reflect the cab robot rather than the Powermaster/Godmaster.

Thing is, when it comes to the Ginrai character, it's the small dude that matters the most since that little dude is the character's real self while the larger toy is just a lifeless mech. And that small dude certainly don't look like Ginrai.

Except that said mech came to life as a true Transformer by the same name at the end of Masterforce, and lived as such until getting blasted by Deathsaurus and resurrected as Victory Leo during Victory. And it was this robot version of Ginrai that got imported into the Wings universe with that precedent for Hasbro using "Ginrai" that you mentioned.

Also, link to these "In-hand" images?

Overcracker wrote:Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

Or better yet, cut the multilingual stuff all together, wastes so much space and just looks messy.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Do the Titan Masters for Magnus, Metalhawk, or Tidalwave have names?

For Magnus I think I'd consider him Hi-Q after he became Optimus Prime himself (weird Marvel story).

Tidal Wave, well much like former targetmasters seem to use the targetmaster's name for their headmaster, maybe Ramjet after his minicon?

For Metalhawk, I got nothing as he's a blank slate to me.

I'm am so glad I pre ordered this set!

Kurona wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:Did we ever get images of the bios for the other set? I still have the poster thing.

Oh yeah. I think I remember that now.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:how many "Optimus Prime" figures with a different design each does a line need?

as many as can be sold come christmas.

Parents think: "Laser Prime, Magnus Prime, or Optimus Prime? Must be different guys, I'll get them all"
Kids know: "Mom and dad got me three Optimus Primes! YAY"

FOUR Optimuses. Laser, Magnus, and two actual Optimi, the Voyager and PM OP.

sorry accidental double post.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

Or better yet, cut the multilingual stuff all together, wastes so much space and just looks messy.

Except that a number of their markets LEGALLY REQUIRE MULTILINGUAL PACKAGING.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hasbro and FunPub using the name "Ginrai" in the past does not preclude Hasbro balking at using the Japanese name in the present.

Balking? Dude, this current Hasbro team has a hard on for Japanese G1. They'd take every opportunity to use whatever Japanese character names that they'd could if they wanted to.

Look at the Liokaiser set they did. The few names that they changed were only changed because they couldn't use names that had "Hell", "Kill", and "Death" in them at retailers, and were only changed just enough to try to still keep true to the original names as much as possible.

Ergo, they wouldn't just randomly change "Ginrai" to something as wildly un-Ginrai-like as "Magnus Prime" if they wanted him to be Ginrai.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Especially since that usage was on a toy sold at a convention and thus aimed directly at fans, while this is being aimed at a general market.

Hasbro used the name "Ginrai" in their 2003 Commemorative Series reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Except that said mech came to life as a true Transformer by the same name at the end of Masterforce,

Except that that guy stuck permanently to the name "God Ginrai" and never reassumed any of his other robot mode configurations, maintaining his God Ginrai configuration as his new default robot form, which the Magnus Prime bears little resemblance to and more like that of Super Ginrai, a form that was only ever assumed by the human Godmaster.

More importantly, the newly-living God Ginrai didn't have a detachable little companion anymore, being a singular whole Transformer from that point on.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, link to these "In-hand" images?

Certainly - https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/comparisons-of-transformers-titans-return-magnus-prime-and-takara-legends-ginrai/38433/

Sabrblade wrote:this current Hasbro team has a hard on for Japanese G1. They'd take every opportunity to use whatever Japanese character names that they'd could if they wanted to

Yes! and I'm loving it.

Sabrblade wrote: Hasbro used the name "Ginrai" in their 2003 Commemorative Series reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime.

One of my favorite things about that set. Man...I loved the 03-06 commemorative series...Not trying to take either side in the discussion, Sabr just reminded me of a couple of things I really like about Transformers .

Is there anything about rid warrior class Thundercracker?

robotcaveman wrote:Is there anything about rid warrior class Thundercracker?

No, and wrong thread.

robotcaveman wrote:Is there anything about rid warrior class Thundercracker?

Probably not in this thread (Titan's Return).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

The Spanish looks ok, really. I'll have my wife look at it, she's half Mexican.

They are mostly understandable, but are a bit stilted in the phrase formation and have some strange word choices that while they do work in the general context don't really convey what the english bio is saying. Not to mention some spelling errors or word tense choices.

Take Pounce: Disables the alarm and ravages it for information
Hasbro: desactiva la alarma y luego extraer la información clasificada.
"extraer" should be "extrae" no "R". and in reality it should be "saquea" as its closer to what "ravage" is trying to convey.

Thunderwing's Thunderous strength is better translated as "estruendosa fuerza". But again it gets the point across.


Portuguese seems to suffer similarly. Though some translations such as Metalhawk's are better in Portuguese than in Spanish, and the general sentence formation and word choice would work just as well in Spanish as it does in Portuguese.

double post

Overcracker wrote:Hasbro needs to stop using Google Translate for their bios and hire actual Translators. Some of those are painful to read.

Agreed, just want to kill myself each time I read french bios.

In fact it's very strange, I'm not sure it's google translate, at some point I start to believe it's a guy, but who is forced to use the same words as the english ones.

The sentence works (something which usually do not happens with G.translate), but the wording is definitely a no.